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Title: Three Cheers for Barak Obama! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
Source: [None]
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Published: May 7, 2008
Author: Arator
Post Date: 2008-05-07 19:38:37 by Arator
Keywords: Obama, Beats, BushClinton
Views: 12780
Comments: 328

He's done what no one expected or thought possible - he's driven a stake through the heart of the Clinton machine.

One crime family down, one to go. Bush-family proxy and crazed neocon Armageddonist, Senator John McCain, should be easy pickens.

Now, what's this I've heard about RP+Obama supporters no longer being entirely welcome by some 4um posters? Say it ain't so! ;^)

Tactical differences should not divide freedom-lovers. We share the same goals. So what if we disagree on how to get there?

Purist non-voters like JT and chrissy would never vote for Obama, even if their abstention results in the neo-fascist GOP remaining unpunished and in power.

Others (like me), find Obama to be an acceptable instrument for unleashing destructive wrath on the contemptable GOP (and their ranks of McCainiacal neo-con apocolypse-lusters).

Such disagreements shouldn't split this good forum. What unites us is far greater than what divides us, right?


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I love a good schismatic forum fight....only without the schism. ;^)

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#8. To: Arator (#0)

Obama's eliminating the Clinton was a good thing. If he succeeds in getting us out of Iraq alone, it's at least $100 billion that we don't have saved every year and maybe 10,000 young and productive workers who won't die but pay taxes instead and consume like crazy to stimulate the economy.

Every time I read someone saying "they're all the same" I think of unbelievable intellectual laziness, lack of imagination and curiosity and/or willing surrender to worthless cliches.

Obama has many qualities, of which his best is his not being a Clinton or a freaking Bush. He is intelligent, he seems to be a gentleman and he is not evil. We should always prefer non-evil people to the evil ones.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-07   20:00:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)

Obama has many qualities, of which his best is his not being a Clinton or a freaking Bush. He is intelligent, he seems to be a gentleman and he is not evil. We should always prefer non-evil people to the evil ones.

Great observation. I agree. Obama's upside potential is HUGE. He may prove to be just another puppet, but it wouldn't surprise me if, like Pinnochio, this puppet turned into a real live boy. ;^)

Arator  posted on  2008-05-07   20:29:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Arator (#34)

"Obama's upside potential is HUGE."

Sure, like Senator Clinton, Senator Obama can look forward to lengthy terms in the Senate.

Neither will EVER be POTUS...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-07   23:29:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Mudboy Slim (#163)

"Neither will EVER be POTUS...MUD"

Talk about famous last words, I will feed them to you letter by letter when he is president-elect Obama after the election.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-07   23:38:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: Ferret Mike, Arator (#173)

Reject the ObamaNation...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-08   0:00:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: Mudboy Slim (#199)

FOH  posted on  2008-05-08   0:02:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: FOH (#202) (Edited)

I believe strongly that if you are so inarticulate and intellectually challenged you have to do a baseline blanket the one you disagree with with accusations that they are commies attack, you lose.

Tom Mandel of the Well postulated that in 1995 and it was observed as the Mandel Rule at the old Time.com/Politic forum.

You don't bother nor damage me by showing how lame you are at forum debate and lively discussion.

The second you called me a communist, you lost the debate on any point you claim you are an advocate for. ;-)

http://www.interesting- people.org/archives/interesting-people/199504/msg00025.html

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   0:12:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: Ferret Mike (#205)

When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?

FOH  posted on  2008-05-08   0:16:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: FOH (#207) (Edited)

"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"

Mandel Rule violation, you lose.

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/005663.php

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   0:22:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Ferret Mike (#208)

"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"

Come on ya big RAT-COMMIE loving pu**y, answer the question:

"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"

FOH  posted on  2008-05-08   0:24:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: FOH (#211) (Edited)

Mandel Rule violation, you lose. You have to have argument and evidence for such broad based accusations. If you make a one size fits all accusation, you do it because of lack of ability to argue a point.

I am quite serious, I have nothing to say to you by virtue of you losing your own argument with your own display of intellectual laziness.

You seek to bait, and actually only bedevil yourself with a rhetorical gunshot wound to the foot.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   0:31:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: Ferret Mike (#213)

"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"

BARACK-BARACK-BARACK...what, are you afraid to answer the simple question ?

FOH  posted on  2008-05-08   0:32:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: FOH (#214)

BARACK-BARACK-BARACK...what, are you afraid to answer the simple question ?

I don't think he's afraid, I suspect he just doesn't want to stoop to your level.

BARACK-BARACK-BARACK .. I wouldn't either.

...  posted on  2008-05-08   0:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: ... (#217)

"I don't think he's afraid, I suspect he just doesn't want to stoop to your level."

Exactly.

Another game being played by this person is the usual spammer's attempt to annoy enough to bait another into giving an intemperate reaction.

If one does not fall for this gambit, the game ends soon enough.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   0:39:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: Ferret Mike (#225)

"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"

There you are.

Maybe if I ask you enough, you'll cease being a blow hard chickensh*t and answer the question.

"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"

FOH  posted on  2008-05-08   0:42:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: FOH (#228)

Maybe if I ask you enough, you'll cease being a blow hard chickensh*t and answer the question.

I don't think he should answer it until you can prove you can act like an adult.

...  posted on  2008-05-08   0:45:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: ... (#231) (Edited)

"I don't think he should answer it until you can prove you can act like an adult."

If he wishes to start doing so, he is always welcome to try to actually build a decent reputation as a worthy interlocutor to discuss things with.

But I fear this is unlikely to come to pass. There is no need to feel frustration and anger at someone else's inability to post well either.

That is just a waste of time I am not into.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   0:56:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: Ferret Mike, FOH (#238)

What irks me is that he made the mods life miserable for three days crying about his bozo count. Like it wasn't his own F'ing fault.

I'll have no respect for the idiot until he can take responsibility for his own actions.

If you act like a prick, and if you get bozo'd for it, then have enough pride to suck up and accept it. Don't cry to the mods to have your count reduced.

...  posted on  2008-05-08   1:00:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: ..., Ferret Mike (#239)

What irks me is that he made the mods life miserable for three days crying about his bozo count.

Wasn't me complaining. I was celebrating being almost universally filtered by you Ophiles.

I take pride in having all you chickensh*t Establishment-Marxist-World Orderist supporters dodge simple questions and then bozo me...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-08   1:14:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: FOH (#240)

"Wasn't me complaining. I was celebrating being almost universally filtered by you Ophiles."

Since I don't need to use a kill file function, I don't argue about it either.

So what is really your point? If you had been paying attention, you would already know this.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   2:05:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: Ferret Mike (#246) (Edited)

I'm bored. I think we should open up a forum wide contest to figure out what the letters F.O.H. stand for.

Freaky Obama Hater?

Flamingly Obscene Hemorrhoid?

...  posted on  2008-05-08   2:09:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: ... (#247) (Edited)

I was wondering myself. F.O.D. is 'foriegn object damage' and refers to what happens when foreign objects get sucked into helicopter free power turbine engines.

Having been a helicopter C/E on a UH-1H that of course was the first thing his nick reminded me of. But what FOH stands for could be just about anything.

It's not a serious account this guy's doing, all the behavior motivated by desires to disrupt and harass make that obvious. And he is dumber then even Ghost of Quantrill was, which is a disappointment. So far he's at best a time waster.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   2:20:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: Ferret Mike (#249)

I met some guys who are in a Druidic order the other night. Husband and such of the woman who just graduated. One thing they do really well is make mead. I guess its one of the things the order does. We went out the following night and drank some raspberry mead that they made. Really good stuff. Sounds like its easy to make, but that could be deceptive. Going to buy the wine making equipment and try to whip up five gallons. Sounds like its easier to make than decent wine.

...  posted on  2008-05-08   2:52:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: ... (#252)

I met some guys who are in a Druidic order the other night. Husband and such of the woman who just graduated. One thing they do really well is make mead. I guess its one of the things the order does. We went out the following night and drank some raspberry mead that they made. Really good stuff. Sounds like its easy to make, but that could be deceptive. Going to buy the wine making equipment and try to whip up five gallons. Sounds like its easier to make than decent wine.

Is it true that those druids and wiccans have orgies and weird sex? That they sacrifice babies and drip the blood over everyone in the orgy?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-08   6:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: Old Friend (#256)

s it true that those druids and wiccans have orgies and weird sex? That they sacrifice babies and drip the blood over everyone in the orgy?

I just saw the Christian Loon Party thread. Now I understand where you are coming from.

No, these people were not fundies like you, so like Catholics, Methodists, Unitarians, Hindus and Buddhists, they all worship Satan - or at least as far as you're concerned they do.

(And people wonder why the founding fathers put the First Amendment, which erects a wall between fundie Christian lunacy the state, as the first and most important amendment. Jefferson saw you guys coming.)

...  posted on  2008-05-08   17:34:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: ... (#306)

which erects a wall between fundie Christian lunacy the state

The first amendment does no such thing.

The first amendment forbids CONGRESS from having a state religion. There is no such prohibition for the states to do such. In fact there were state religions in the past. Back when better people ran this country.

Having said that. I wouldn't want any church to run the government. To many churches get to many things wrong. Besides you can't and shouldn't force Jesus on anyone. You should tell people but you can't force them to accept the truth.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-08   21:25:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#318. To: Old Friend (#317) (Edited)

The first amendment does no such thing.

Thomas Jefferson said it did, and so did the Supreme Court.

And you don't have to take my word for it. Google "wall between church and state" and the first two links give your the Jefferson letter and the relevant Supreme Court ruling.

But thank you for sharing your opinion.

...  posted on  2008-05-08 21:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: Old Friend (#317)

I wouldn't want any church to run the government. To many churches get to many things wrong. Besides you can't and shouldn't force Jesus on anyone. You should tell people but you can't force them to accept the truth.

Well said, Old Friend.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-09 09:01:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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