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Title: Three Cheers for Barak Obama! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah!
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Published: May 7, 2008
Author: Arator
Post Date: 2008-05-07 19:38:37 by Arator
Keywords: Obama, Beats, BushClinton
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Comments: 328
He's done what no one expected or thought possible - he's driven a stake through the heart of the Clinton machine. One crime family down, one to go. Bush-family proxy and crazed neocon Armageddonist, Senator John McCain, should be easy pickens. Now, what's this I've heard about RP+Obama supporters no longer being entirely welcome by some 4um posters? Say it ain't so! ;^) Tactical differences should not divide freedom-lovers. We share the same goals. So what if we disagree on how to get there? Purist non-voters like JT and chrissy would never vote for Obama, even if their abstention results in the neo-fascist GOP remaining unpunished and in power. Others (like me), find Obama to be an acceptable instrument for unleashing destructive wrath on the contemptable GOP (and their ranks of McCainiacal neo-con apocolypse-lusters). Such disagreements shouldn't split this good forum. What unites us is far greater than what divides us, right?
Poster Comment: I love a good schismatic forum fight....only without the schism. ;^)
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Meet the new Rockefeller puppet, same as the old one.
hehehehe..that made me laugh.
Arator, Arator, Arator......my very lost friend. The Beast changes pieces like
we do socks. The Clinton's aren't going to open an Arby's franchise and sell
cheap roast beef sandwiches now that Obama has bumped Hillary off the rails.
Knowing their lust for power, she just might collude with McKooK to defeat
Obama, and then seek the throne in '12. McKooK will be 77 years old, and
she'll be a well preserved 65. The game goes on, with (some) of us pawns never
catching on. Peace.
LOL. Needle. Needle.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
And the latest allegation: by supporting the 2nd amendment, more innocents die in Iraq.
it is amazing how anything can be rationalized. ;)
Hillary and McCain are running mates already! Remember Bill Clinton's comments about how nice it would be to have a Hillary/McCain race, because they are practically just the same? He let on more in those comments than he realized. If anything, this should encourage us that Barak is not entirely acceptable to the Bush/Clinton cabal. Yet another good reason to support him against McCain, IMO.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Obama's eliminating the Clinton was a good thing. If he succeeds in getting us out of Iraq alone, it's at least $100 billion that we don't have saved every year and maybe 10,000 young and productive workers who won't die but pay taxes instead and consume like crazy to stimulate the economy. Every time I read someone saying "they're all the same" I think of unbelievable intellectual laziness, lack of imagination and curiosity and/or willing surrender to worthless cliches. Obama has many qualities, of which his best is his not being a Clinton or a freaking Bush. He is intelligent, he seems to be a gentleman and he is not evil. We should always prefer non-evil people to the evil ones.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I really don't mind your penchant for dreaming. It's just tragic, though.
I like the yin and yang angle. Hillary and McCain are about the same except for their sex. They make a great pair. Plus, it will be hilarious next October when Rush orders the goobers to hold their noses and vote for Hillary and McCain - and you know that WILL happen.
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It's more likely that he'll be telling them to vote for Holy Joe and McCain.
Did you even READ what I wrote before replying to it? Did you THINK about about what I wrote? Have you MEDITATED and ANALYZED the deep wisdom emanating from my writing. I am asking because you managed to 'read' my post and then write and post your reply in 57 (FIFTY-SEVEN) seconds - look at the time of my posting and the time your reply was ready - 57 seconds later.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Dreamers do tend to be touchy.
Just overlook the fact that he is a Marxist, racist, and a friend of a real terrorists. If he can get the evil GOP it is all worth it to you. You are delusional if you think Obama would kill the GOP. Heck, he would make it the dominant party for a very long time.
God is always good!
You could be right, but I know that come October Rush'll tell them to vote for McCain and whoever. I just think it would be hilarious if "whoever" turned out to be the Clintons.
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I predict that Clinton won't cross party lines, and McCain doesn't have to now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, I wasn't really expecting it. I just wanted to read FR the day after Rush came out the with order.
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If the GOP asked him to support Clinton, he would.
Yeah, and anyone who is older than about 25 or 30 and who still doesn't know that, well, all I can say is they haven't been paying attention.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. They also hate it when the real world intrudes. Obama is the perfect President for a 21st century America. All style and no substance. A media creation. He reminds of a cartoon where a character created advertising for a product that had yet to be created. Soon the whole town wanted it. What did they want, they didn't know. All they knew was they wanted it right then and there. Heck, I'll make my 2016 prediction right now. Obama will be elected. He'll screw the nation over as has been par for the course. His followers will scream Bush era talking points like "holding is feet to the fire." It won't work. Obama will be re-elected on the requirement that he needs more "D"s in congress to get anything done. Nothing will get done. He'll leave office. And around 2014 or so we'll see the next media creation empty suit pop up from no-where who is going to save us all. The sheep will latch onto the no name wonder and the process begins again. Repeat steps until this nation dies from stupidity.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
It would be interesting to count how many of the current Obamophobes continue to be Bushbots at heart.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
My prediction, as well.
A reasonable person might regard that possibility as a good reason to support Obama this year.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Sounds like a description of that 20th century president JFK.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Barak...McCain...Hillary.... Arguing about any of them or their fitness for office is like arguing about kind of whetstone to use to sharpen a sponge.
--- “The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.” ---
Obama, the 'Milli Vanilli' candidate!
Should Obama get elected, (and I don't think he will) whom will be his step and fetchit V.P. ?
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
that is SO dumb. we're Paulites at heart and you know that.
Wouldn't that be better than having the nation die from aggressive war?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
A very white White man, preferably an albino.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Sad but true. Obama, Clinton, and McCain are all part of the same agenda.
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
Great observation. I agree. Obama's upside potential is HUGE. He may prove to be just another puppet, but it wouldn't surprise me if, like Pinnochio, this puppet turned into a real live boy. ;^)
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Because, like JFK, Obama belongs to a previously discriminated-against group, he has the potential of thinking beyond what the puppetmasters want.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
that is SO dumb. we're Paulites at heart and you know that. You know, I was just reviewing one of my boys' reading comprehension tests and... speaking of which... I said "It would be interesting to count how many of the current Obamophobes continue to be Bushbots at heart". I didn't call anyone 'a Marxist' or 'a Bushbot' or 'a homo-loving socialist/statist'. I only expressed curiosity, directed at no one in particular. Oh, and if my statement wasn't sufficiently clear, when I wonder 'how many', I clearly imply that not ALL phobes are Bushbots at heart. It doesn't even imply that the majority are so. I do maintain that anyone who keeps claiming that "there's no difference between 'the three'" is most likely intellectually lazy or at least tired, incurious and unimaginative - these are not moral deficiencies and are shortcomings that can be overcome with awareness and some effort.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
Iraq is done. He's pro-war in Iran and Pakistan. Name one thing he has uttered against the Federal Reserve, Zionism, or the Rockefellers? You won't be able to produce one contrary comment. Instead, he has nominated a major Rockefeller intellectual toady, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to his staff.
Name one thing JFK uttered against the Federal Reserve, Zionism, or the Rockefellers before he became President in 1961.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You think someone who considers Israel our #1 ME priority and Iran one of the greatest threats to world peace is going to stop the slaughter? Obama loves nation building and has a long list of reasons as to why US 'peace keepers' must be shot to pieces in the name of global stability in places most Americans can't find on a map. What do you think he wants another 60,000 Army and 30,000 Marines for? The company?
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
Amen! That’s what I, and the “Old Right” is counting on.
Israel as our #1 ally in the ME is the current baseline. It's a statement of fact not a forward-looking statement.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Obama loves nation building and has a long list of reasons as to why US 'peace keepers' must be shot to pieces in the name of global stability in places most Americans can't find on a map. What do you think he wants another 60,000 Army and 30,000 Marines for? The company? Personally, as a retired military officer, I want the Army and the Marines expanded. They are presently overstretched. That does not prevent me from opposing further wars.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
LOL!!! Someone remembered!!
The office of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., issued the following statement: U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today released the following statement after House and Senate Conferees failed to include the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act as an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act. Obama is an original cosponsor of the legislation, which would strengthen the federal government's ability to assist local authorities in the investigation and prosecution of crimes motivated by hate and which would provide additional funds to states to develop hate crime prevention programs. The Act would have also expanded the definition of a hate crime to include those crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability. The amendment originally passed the Senate in September. The text of the statement is below: "The Senate took an important step forward in strengthening current law and fulfilling our nation's founding principle of equality by passing the Hate Crimes Prevention Act in September. While it is imperative that the Congress move this Defense Authorization bill, I am extremely disappointed that House and Senate negotiators failed to include this important provision in the bill being sent to the President. "Hate crimes are unacceptable. All Americans deserve to live their lives without fear of hate driven attacks. Those who commit such heinous crimes should be punished to the fullest extent of the law, no matter whether those crimes are committed on account of race, gender, gender identity, religion, disability, or sexual orientation. "Almost 40 years after Congress first enacted a federal hate crimes law, it is our moral obligation to continue striving for equality, and ensure that the federal government, along with state and local jurisdictions, have the tools necessary to effectively prosecute these crimes. Given the rise in hate crimes nationally, failure to pass this vital legislation is truly unacceptable."Contact: Amy Brundage, 202/228-5511. The Matthew Shepard Act (officially, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007
Irrelevant, even if he had. Did JFK accomplish anything? No. Presidents have been mere puppets for generations. You need to deal with that conundrum first. Obama has never indicated any willingness to fight the puppet masters, nor has he indicated any ability to fight them. JFK certainly had no ability to resist their power.
He did bang Marilyn, didn't he? That's no small thing in my book.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
If Obama will be as effective a president as JFK, I'll settle for that. I take it you won't. I think most Americans would agree with me, not you.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I'm hoping that he picks Senator Jim Webb. Webb would have strong appeal with Reagan Democrats, disgusted ex-GOPers and (in general) the Scots-Irish cultural fulcrum upon which America often turns. Where we Scots-Irish go, so goes the nation (see Webb's outstanding book, Born Fighting)!
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Zbigniew Brzezinski on Iraq Chess Piece: We're Done Here. Next? www.take overworld.info/Br...i_on_Iraq_Chess_Piece.mht
You'll settle for the continued destruction of our country. And yes, most Americans are brainwashed by the TV. You're suffering from a simple lack of intestinal fortitude. A 68er, no doubt.
The browbeating will continue till morale improves.
If it isn't, will you admit that you were wrong? (By the way, I can't think of a single executive order that criminalized any actions.)
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Webb: a former secretary of the Navy and a Viet vet? Was he one of Kerry's merry swiftboaters?
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See my #46. Webb if four square for Hate crime legislation. Stop with these frauds.
These 68ers WANT hate crime legislation. They crave it.
JFK destroyed our country, how?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Just like Obama's supporters. When they bend down and grab their ankles he will give it to them, hard and fast.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That's not what I said, is it?
I'm hoping for Jim Webb as well. I got my naval commission while he was SecNav.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
And they'll get it with the blessing of former fighters for liberty.
I usually meditate after my run with scissors day.
I have the same feeling about him. He certainly is familiar with radical critiques of American power from far outside elite circles (ala Rev. Wright). That gives him a big headstart towards a JFK-like turn towards independence, IMO.
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LePen is going to the slammer for saying a certain event was yes, a point in history. That was ruled a crime, and off to the gulag he goes.
Americans who refuse to kowtow are NEXT. And many of these pro-Obama people will be pleased.
What talent! I have to admit, I don't like the pants. I'd rather see Hammerpants. It's an art to wear drapery and pull of the moves.
Then it will be their turn.
And the Os would initially cheer our incarceration or worse, but in time their color, thoughts, religion, or general lack of conformity will also ensnare them. On the bright side, an Obama presidency will make JFKs tenure seem like a lifetime, IMO.
I think he'll make two terms, and in 2016, people will ask why they voted for Obama seeking a change from the Bush days.
Divide and conquer.
After two months of this argument I'm convinced the idolization of this man is cult-like. No insult to their independence or freedom matters. It's pure Marshall Applegate.
I call him James Webb. He'd make the wunder ticket.
Yep, long time foes at the bottom of America's class structure, blacks and hillbilly Scots-Irish whites, united to gut the WASP elites that have screwed us all over so royally. It's enough to bring a tear to your eye. ;^)
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Damn. When I saw the headlie, I thought the scumbag had dropped out of the race. Too bad.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx To: christine, ALL Subject: Re: Three Cheers for Barak Obama! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah! There was a time when discourse on such a thread as this would have been very limited. It is, however, very clear that few who participate here understand what dire straits this country is in. For those too young to remember what freedoms we have enjoyed in the past, start paying attention to what choices you have on your ballots. You think we, "the American people", chose those self-serving, ill-intending three to be the last remaining candidates looking to run for President? Hell no, we didn't choose them. You think we have a two party system in this republic? Hell no, just look at our choices. All three will take us down the same path, at breakneck speed, and in response to their masters' bidding, to either dictatorship or WWIII. About the only freedoms we possess today is the freedom to die in wars we do not want and the freedom to pay ungodly taxes. Oh, yes, and we have the freedom to vote for those chosen by the powerbrokers. However, tomorrow you may well lose that freedom, too, and be forced to vote for whom you are told. I suggest all you silly sheep get busy and start using your own brain to ascertain what is happening to this country. AND ... do so before you turn to mutton!!!
There is every reason to believe that Barry will end the war and restore the Constitutiion... well, not *every* reason, but he sez... and ya know, when a bright fella like Barry sez... well not quite, but... Barry does it in that smokey, authoritative voice... well it's plain that despite his being against everything I'm for, I'm down with Barry. Satan, what crap.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
Sic semper tyrannis.
I don't remember you being such a loopy character last millennium...
Anyone that is willing to get into the sack with an Establishment puppet, especially one of an out of the closet Marxist bent, truly does not deserve what little freedom they have left...I don't believe a sincere supporter of the Ron Paul 'revolution' understood what they were supporting if they are capable of playing this stupid game.
LOL!! Yep. Need purple scarves and new tennis shoes.
Go screw yourself.
Who didn't back then?? She got around...
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson When you have a cancer, you cut it out or kill it; you don't try and live with it, hoping it will just go away.
Fred, you're mounting the Establishment Marxist too ? Why am I not surprised there bright boy...
Obama will be another Robert Mugabe or Nelson Mandela...
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson Dr. Camerada, please report to 4um, people are puking.
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Satan, what crap. LOLOL Just hop from one revolution to another, only this time it's the Establishment's chosen racist Marxist...is it any wonder we're at this point, with all these stupid Lefties still sucking up available oxygen, running out like pigs to the puddle at the first opportunity ? Very instructive how "Progressive" so much of the base of 4um actually is/was...
It blows my mind that we had so many Marxists hiding here.
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I like Chuck Balwin, but can he keep America from getting utterly ass-raped by criminal corporations and/or nuked under a nutjob President McCain? I didn't think so. A second consecutive war-crazed Constitution-gutting Presidency is too great a risk to the Republic. That's why I'm voting for Obama.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
But potentially way worse considering what he would have to work with... All of McHillObama is a total collapse of what's left of the Republic.
'Game' is the operative word. Somehow, behind the scenes support for this monstrostiy will yield gains 'our' way. Dispatch the bum, and we'll be going somewhere.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
arator! whodathunkit??? :P
I didn't think so. A second consecutive war-crazed criminal Constitution-gutting Presidency is too great a risk to the Republic. That's why I'm voting for Obama. What part of McCain, Clinton and Obama were all selected by the same traitorous quislings that gave you G HW Bush, BJ Clinton and G W Bush do you not understand ? Did you never figure out that you are irrelevant to this process of choosing one of 3 CFR puppets ? You REALLY believe that this Globalist liar is telling you truths ?
right on, Phant!
We gotta keep that devil down in the hole.
Great post ! Hear hear !!
Back in the early 80s, I used to listen to Imus in the morning while I was stuck in 2 hour traffic jams going into NYC. Back then he had to play some music, and sometimes he even had to play a Barry Manilow song. In the background, he'd always play a parody of a hospital pa system announcement, "Dr. Camerada, please report to surgery, people are puking..." That's what threads like these remind me of. Real Americans should be puking their guts out reading this crap.
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Watching people I long time respected turn out to be flakes, Establishment tools and pointy Progressives/Socialists/Communists over a lying elitist Marxist black panther racist is very disconcerting to me...worse, the one they choose by all appearances has very clear labeling so there's no more excuse to support BHO as there is to support McNuts or Hitlery.
thanks for your contribution Arator. Robin had me convinced to at least think about voting for Obama in November. She makes a very logical case showing that Obama has at least made some anti- war sounds and at least promises to bring the troops home from Iraq in 16 months. But Jethro Tull also makes a good case that he is a puppet and he's lying. How we hate to vote for puppets who lie as we've done it before!!!!! Here's my latest thought that to me is key on Obama. He supports the ethanol subsidies and he supports their expansion as well. The ethanol subsidies are nothing but evil. Richard posted a story about them just a couple of days ago. The ethanol subsidies are going to kill tens of millions of people and that is obvious to anyone who looks carefully at them. As obama supports them, I don't see how I can vote for him. So now I'm back in the camp that says I won't taint myself by voting for any of the big 3 candidates left. I'll have to write in Ron Paul's name or vote for Chuck Baldwin if he's on the ballot in Arizona.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
IndieTX, this selection is out of our hands. All I know is the next president we get will be even worse than Bush. I'll do my best to continue my life as I always have, however, if the new Boss tries to remove additional freedoms from me, I'll react accordingly. It's time.
You're stupider than a box of rocks.
Ron Paul is fond of quoting GWB's campaign promises when he ran in 2000, and reminding us that he ran on a HUMBLE foreign policy, NO nation building, and NOT being the policeman of the world. So the assholes bought GWB's lies and now they are buying Obama's lies. Insanity is defined as doing the same things over and over expecting different results...
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Yeah -- I thought they hated Jr. for reasons from the right. But Barry emerges as their glimmer of hope. Yack.
Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.
So now I'm back in the camp that says I won't taint myself by voting for any of the big 3 candidates left. Bush made anti war, anti nation building, anti world policeman noises too. Wise choice in not buying Obama's lies.
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Been giving the reloading bench a workout of late. hehehe
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I won't call anybody who contemplates voting for Hussein Obama an asshole, just grossly misguided. I genuinely feel sorry for them because Freedom4um has failed if they haven't read the articles posted to see just how unprepared HO is for the Oval Office.
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
let me tell you about the old witch, Hilary Clinton. We don't know if she's dead until after the convention is over and she's not on the ticket. when we get there, then she's dead. Until then, we don't know. Because it is possible for 90% of the super-delegates to go for CLinton. It is possible that the voting from Michigan & Florida will be counted. The democrat leaders have arranged things so that in the end they can decide instead of the democrat voters. I'd assume the super-delegate rules were made to facilitate this and that the Michigan/Florida mis-haps were done on purpose so that in the end the party insiders at the top could be the king-makers as they desire.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I thought so too, but commies are sneaky buggers.
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I will. Only assholes knowingly support marxists and fascists.
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In his defense, Obama has not lied. He's very truthful about his nation building expansionist desires. It's his supporters that cast him as an peace loving isolationist.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
don't worry. by election time I'll find an excuse to vote for Obama.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Please refrain from calling it O4um as this greatly saddens Miss Christine...=)
POJ, since Vast here, has me proudly bozo'd, could you ask him what that means?
So the assholes bought GWB's lies and now they are buying Obama's lies. From everything I can tell (this ain't my 1st rodeo), 99% of the 4umOphiles that 'supported' RP's campaign are from the Liberal/Lefty/Progressive/Socialist/Communist world utopian roots of the CFR Party...
Good point. Did any candidate other than Ron Paul oppose ethanol subsidies? With Iowa being the first caucus state, I bet they all sold out to that insanity. I support Obama not because he is perfect (he's far from it). I support Obama because he and his party are slightly more sane than McCain and the GOP. McCain (and the party who voted for him) are crazy, potentially world- nuking/freedom- extinguishing/economy-collapsing crazy. When one candidate (and party) are that crazy, even a little bit more sanity can mean the difference between the survival of mankind and eminent globe-wide apocolypse. Hence, I cannot risk voting third party this time. The stakes are just too high.
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When you have a cancer, you cut it out or kill it; you don't try and live with it, hoping it will just go away. If you don't, it kills you. Bang-o-rama there phant2000.
That's what threads like these remind me of. LOL!
it is perfectly logical & rational to vote for Obama as you described it. I don't blame people for choosing to vote for Obama or for choosing to not vote for any of those 3.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I believe McCain didn't like the ethanol subsidy. He said it while in Iowa.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I will. Only assholes knowingly support marxists and fascists. I'm up to 15 filters as of this moment, primarily because I absolutely can not will not and shall not act as though these traitors in our midst are not complete flipping assholes, but have at it... (what's really funny is the chickensh*t Establishment Lefty tools think it hurts my feelings - bwahahahaha)
thank you, FOH. ;)
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ;^)
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You expect someone like me, who's read your posts for approximately a decade, to believe you when you say that the CFR "Ds" are different from the CFR "Rs" ? I believe it's you ObamaCONs' intellectual dishonesty in globbing onto the most Liberal CFR stoolie ever put forth...with all of these b.s. rationales that irks me the most.
I think you are a great debater. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
My feelings are hurt cuz I used to be bozoed 3 times, and now it's only 2. I must be slacking.
Tagline space for rent.
it's not for lack of trying. we're talking 3+ yrs here too.
I vehemently disagree, Hussein Obama and the Dems who control that party have PROMISED to destroy the Second Amendment. Dismantling any portion of the Bill of Rights is absolute insanity.
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
Don't mention it patriot babe ! :0
Christine: Spent some time the last couple nights reading about how things have changed on 4um and what you are considering for solution. My history on the net lends me to believe it is "just the season" (election season, that is). However, as a result of the foul-mouthed participants and obvious moles, I could NOT help but explain what is so evident to me (and others who are here) to those who have not arrived at the same conclusion. Ignorance is NOT bliss. If my statement can get just ONE person to commence thinking on his or her own, then I have planted a seed that may well grow.
Your a closet bushbot, yes? Xtine - see? Their countable.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
See, that's your problem. It's also generally the first thing you cranks do because by getting off into mental masturbation land, you think it diminishes the FACTS. You support a: Establishment Puppet Infanticider Gun Grabber Racist Marxist Liberal World Orderist whose campaign is steered by Zbig (might as well be Kissinger). What else is there to talk about ? All of your insulting rationalizations ? You're all a bunch of losers, liars and punks. I just point it out and mock you all...and laugh as my filter # climbs up !!!
In the last election, the Dems got smart and ran pro-2nd amendment candidates in red states...and they won. I don't think the national Dem party is gonna attempt to impose an urban ethos on rural America ever again. They know it is political suicide. They have wised up (while the GOP has dramatically dumbed down).
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Because someone understands that only NeoComms, like your guy BHO, make NeoCons possible...that's all you have is that anyone who calls things how they really are is a partisan for the other side of the cabal's National Party. Are you REALLY this stupid ? *REALLY* ?? Y'all have embraced the curse...fools.
Bite your tongue: "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle!
I am sorry, but I will NEVER bozolize you. When I wrote that your a great debater I mean it. I love how everything is logical even though intransigent. One thing always leads to another - amazing! - and, overall, I found your writing to be humorous, well-thought, principled, factful and varied. That's what makes you such a great debater and such a pleasure to read. You never been a bushbot. Yes?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Obama hasn't wised-up considering he's never owned a firearm, shot a firearm, gone hunting, or done anything except spit on gun-owners the whole time he was an Illinois state politician. "Obama's Web site says: "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law- abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting" (emphasis ours). Not, apparently, for you to protect your wife and children." Source: Obama Misfires On Concealed Carry, 4/4/2008, http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp? secid=1501&status=article&id=292204370724337
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
Spin cycle + Koolaid = one fucked up voter ;-)
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
The Manifesto is divided into an introduction, three substantive sections, and a conclusion. The introduction begins with the notable comparison of communism to a "spectre," claiming that across Europe communism is feared, but not understood, and thus communists ought to make their views known with a manifesto: The first section, "Bourgeois and Proletarians", puts forward Marx's historical materialism, claiming that The section goes on to argue that the class struggle under capitalism is between those who own the means of production, the ruling class or bourgeoisie, and those who labor for a wage, the working class or proletariat. Though the bourgeoisie has played a progressive role in destroying feudalism, according to Marx and Engels, it has also brought about the conditions for its own impending downfall by creating a contradiction within capitalism between the forces of production and the relations of production: However: The second section, "Proletarians and Communists," starts by outlining the relationship of conscious communists to the rest of the working class: It goes on to defend communism from various objections, such as the claim that communists advocate "free love," and the claim that people will not perform labor in a communist society because they have no incentive to work. The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands. These included, among others, the abolition of both land ownership and of the right to inheritance, a progressive income tax, universal education, centralization of the means of communication and transport under state management, and the expansion of the means of production owned by the state. The implementation of these policies, would, the authors believed, be a precursor to the stateless and classless society. One particularly controversial passage deals with this transitional period: It is this concept of the transition from socialism to communism which many critics of the Manifesto, particularly during and after the Soviet era, have highlighted. Anarchists, liberals, and conservatives have all asked how an organization such as the revolutionary state could ever (as Engels put it elsewhere) "wither away." In a related dispute, later Marxists make a separation between "socialism," a society ruled by workers, and "communism," a classless society. Engels wrote little and Marx wrote less on the specifics of the transition to communism, so the authenticity of this distinction remains a matter of dispute. According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]). The third section, "Socialist and Communist Literature," distinguishes communism from other socialist doctrines prevalent at the time the Manifesto was written. While the harshness of Marx's and Engels' attacks varies, and their debt to "utopian socialists" such as Fourier, Proudhon, and Owen is acknowledged[citation needed], all rival views are eventually dismissed for advocating reformism and failing to recognize the key role of the working class. Partly because of Marx's critique, most of the specific ideologies described in this section became politically negligible by the end of the nineteenth century. The concluding section, "Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties," briefly discusses the communist position on struggles in specific countries in the mid-nineteenth century. It then ends with a call to action: 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]). Please tell me which of the 10 planks you reject and why...
Yeah, my firearms are all for hunting and target shooting. /s
Spin cycle + Koolaid = one fucked up voter Obama's eliminating the Clinton was a good thing. If he succeeds in getting us out of Iraq alone, it's at least $100 billion that we don't have saved every year and maybe 10,000 young and productive workers who won't die but pay taxes instead and consume like crazy to stimulate the economy. If 'we' get out of the Middle East during your lifetime, then that was part of the plan. The CFR chose this war, they chose McHillObama and they have Globalist wars to fight as long as the people of America continue to play their stupid game. Every time I read someone saying "they're all the same" I think of unbelievable intellectual laziness, lack of imagination and curiosity and/or willing surrender to worthless cliches. Yeah, you ObamaCONs have so much intellectual power harnessed that you've fallen for an Establishment Zbig Marxist Globalist Tool...GENIUS !! Obama has many qualities, of which his best is his not being a Clinton or a freaking Bush. He is intelligent, he seems to be a gentleman and he is not evil. We should always prefer non-evil people to the evil ones. If you're approved by the CFR/Trilats, then you ARE pure evil. Your comments as such make you look stooooopidly-eeeevil...
I'll add that I believe you said you were 'kicked out of' a Marxist nation...which means you of all people should friggin know better.
I am asking because you managed to 'read' my post and then write and post your reply in 57 (FIFTY-SEVEN) seconds - look at the time of my posting and the time your reply was ready - 57 seconds later. buckeye puts you ObamaCONs to shame in the intellect, honesty and comprehension Depts...
No sale, most that I know here have been holding back for festivities should another lucky pretzel get REALLY lodged in the Chimperor's breathing passage...
Buckeye was very polite to wait 57 seconds to call BS ;-)
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
With all the mexicons using Bush's throat for prison-style target practice it'll take a large pretzel to close up that gaping hole...
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson
I do find it fascinating how the Establishment operates as I can this time sit back and watch it all from afar...the CFR brands this year are nothing short of bald faced World Socialists and that's being conservative in my description.
heheheh I'm sure he probably scrapped 4 or 5 draft previews on top of it...
Dude, I'm eating a salad over here...LOLOL
LOL...say it ain't so, Arator has joined the ObamaNation!! And he calls himself a "freedom-lover" as he supports the most socialist of the candidates? Puhhh-LEEEZE...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I can't do this anymore. It's like attacking a short yellow bus at this point...
Don't forget the African Union (and all those oil/minerals to be secured)...
Obama loves nation building and has a long list of reasons as to why US 'peace keepers' must be shot to pieces in the name of global stability in places most Americans can't find on a map. What do you think he wants another 60,000 Army and 30,000 Marines for? The company? Damnable facts. Pesky things for libtards, always have been, always will be...
;-) Hehehehehe!!!
People, listen...............
Bwahahahahahaha...Obama/Webb? ROFLMAO...it won't even win Virginia!!
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That does not prevent me from opposing further wars. How about under stretch the Army and Marines, bring them ALL home from the various empire bases AND oppose the OWM's wars ? Something tells me you like being the world's MPs...
Zbigniew Brzezinski, the guy who, in hindsight, would fund & train al-Qaeda all over again , (playing the good cop, today), cryptically brags about ‘The Game’ in his keynote address at the Center for American Progress’ : ” We are acting as though the Iraqis are our colonial wards,” he said. “We are teaching them about democracy by arresting them, bombing them, by humiliating them and also helping them. It is an ambivalent course in democracy. ”
People, listen............... You would have thought those who (pretended) to support Ron Paul (and now are Ocons) would have already known this...but then again, we're not dealing with intellectually honest people here.
Sure, like Senator Clinton, Senator Obama can look forward to lengthy terms in the Senate. Neither will EVER be POTUS...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, ~~~~~~~toady~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Webster Tarpley:Zbignew Brzienzki leading Obama campaign PT1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfip0k2Oit8&feature=related ---------------- Webster Tarpley:Zbignew Brzienzki leading Obama campaign PT2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvozpwYKuJs&feature=related ---------------- Webster Tarpley:Zbignew Brzienzki leading Obama campaign PT3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu_t9UkLobA
www.propagandamatrix.com/...apitalist_Conspriracy.wmv In The Grand Chessboard, Zbigniew Brzezinski Admits Elite Plan to Use the United States Police State to Bring About Their Totalitarian New World Order.
Zbig, Hankissinger, rockiefellar...evil as evil can be. Evil, evil, evil...
From DeepBlackLies "The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner (2001) "The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities." Zbigniew Brzezinski.
Neither will EVER be POTUS...MUD Remember, please hold off on endorsing Juan McNorthAmericanUnion until Halloween, my date in the 4um free pool !
Dear fucking God, at least someone around here understands. Thanks for a day brightener of a thread Arator. Good to see you too.
Agreed. Bozoing helped them hide from addressing facts they can not spin and lies they can not sell.
Thanks for sharing this...it's critical information.
Talk about famous last words, I will feed them to you letter by letter when he is president-elect Obama after the election.
Bozoing helped them hide from addressing facts they can not spin and lies they can not sell. They certainly will give it a few good runs at baffling you with bull, though...
TT, I have listened to all 3. They are critical for all to hear. Perfect to post now!
www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/nworder07.html The Trilateral Commission Upon reading the 1970 book Between Two Ages, David Rockefeller lured its writer, Professor Zbigniew Brzezinski, away from Columbia University to become the Chairman and co-founder of the Trilateral Commission. Brzezinski, who later became the mastermind of Jimmy Carter's foreign affairs and national security blunders, is still looked to as a policy guru by the liberal media today. Using the same socialist mindset, objectives and premise as the CFR, the TC sprang from, and was purposely patterned after, Brzezinski's book in 1973. Along with Zbigniew Brzezinski and a few others, including the Brookings Institution, Council on Foreign Relations and the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller convened initial meetings and held their first executive committee meeting in Tokyo in October 1973. Members include corporate CEOs, politicians of all major parties, distinguished academics, university presidents, labor union leaders and not-for-profits involved in overseas philanthropy. The Trilateral Commission was founded to become a type of international CFR. The goal of the Trilateral Commission is to align the free world with the advanced communist states to organize a world government.
And those that embrace it.
"The interests behind the Bush Administration, such as the Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission - founded by Brzezinski for David Rockefeller - and the Bilderberger Group, have prepared for and are now moving to implement open world dictatorship within the next five years. They are not fighting against terrorists. They are fighting against citizens." Dr. Johannes B. Koeppl, Ph.D., former German defense ministry official and advisor to former NATO Secretary General Manfred Werner (2001) "The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities." Zbigniew Brzezinski. Makes you wonder if these ObamaCONs aren't playing the game because they're actually part of it...
Their problem though, as was with Freepers, is the cultish behaviour and the browbeating. Not an endearing tactic. Bozoing and bitching, just doesn't work.. so they went for the ban angle. Let's ban certain people... let's try to work that angle. Control the message. Control opposing views.
Upon reading the 1970 book Between Two Ages, David Rockefeller lured its writer, Professor Zbigniew Brzezinski, away from Columbia University to become the Chairman and co-founder of the Trilateral Commission. Brzezinski, who later became the mastermind of Jimmy Carter's foreign affairs and national security blunders, is still looked to as a policy guru by the liberal media today. Using the same socialist mindset, objectives and premise as the CFR, the TC sprang from, and was purposely patterned after, Brzezinski's book in 1973. Along with Zbigniew Brzezinski and a few others, including the Brookings Institution, Council on Foreign Relations and the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller convened initial meetings and held their first executive committee meeting in Tokyo in October 1973. Members include corporate CEOs, politicians of all major parties, distinguished academics, university presidents, labor union leaders and not-for-profits involved in overseas philanthropy. The Trilateral Commission was founded to become a type of international CFR. The goal of the Trilateral Commission is to align the free world with the advanced communist states to organize a world government. I have a strong suspicion that we're dealing with Zbig-Carter fans here that will never admit it, but deep down they're World Socialists that see the UN as a failed but important institution...remember, the NAU line from there to here runs through Carter's Administration and one Robert A. Pastor (who had his hand in Carter's giving the Panama Canal to the Chinese Communists for aiap)...
Not an endearing tactic. Bozoing and bitching, just doesn't work.. so they went for the ban angle. Let's ban certain people... let's try to work that angle. Control the message. Control opposing views. I say just keep beating the lying shills over the head repeatedly anyway...;)
You're both tremendous assets for all freedom lovers in America...
great..i didn't know these were tubed!
I think some people are dug in no matter. While we can, we have to scrutinize it all.
Yeah, and anyone who is older than about 25 or 30 and who still doesn't know that, well, all I can say is they haven't been paying attention. For sure, anyone that hangs out on 4um has ZERO excuse...none whatsoever.
I can not express strongly enough that each should be listened to completely. Some info comes late in the tape. When I thought I'd heard and knew where it was going, another load drops.
While we can, we have to scrutinize it all. There are people reading that will never post here, but they come for knowledge and news...these ObamaCONs are simply passing on the evil with their particular spin.
I hope they read it all, and accept or reject as they choose.
Some info comes late in the tape. When I thought I'd heard and knew where it was going, another load drops. I know. I hope honest and good people looking on here will take it all in... Ping to #165
I found them in my archives.
I think some of the posts on this forum could influence the election results ..... Pffh-AH-HAHahahahahahaha!!!
hmmmm..now that's a novel idea, George Washington! ;)
So are you.
A lot of people sincerely want the baseline truth, while others try to manipulate them with lies. See: RP-ObmamaCONs
They urge them to get on the train. Nite all.
hmmmm..now that's a novel idea, George Washington! ;) Some people already seemingly forgot Ron Paul's message...they're "Constitutionalists of Convenience" apparently. Only thing is, NOW they've gone back over to the dark side/the Establishment...and seem right at home there. YIKES !!
Reject the ObamaNation...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, K-Mark, do you recognize this pod-Mark person? ;P
G'night Peps...
FOH's world.
When did you first know that you were a Socialist/Communist thief/redistributionist ?
I believe strongly that if you are so inarticulate and intellectually challenged you have to do a baseline blanket the one you disagree with with accusations that they are commies attack, you lose. Tom Mandel of the Well postulated that in 1995 and it was observed as the Mandel Rule at the old Time.com/Politic forum. You don't bother nor damage me by showing how lame you are at forum debate and lively discussion. The second you called me a communist, you lost the debate on any point you claim you are an advocate for. ;-) http://www.interesting- people.org/archives/interesting-people/199504/msg00025.html
Good to see you too, Mike. My hick cousins (who live in small town central Kansas) think Obama is a crypto- Muslim al Qaeda member (they're everywhere! they're everywhere!) because he has a funny name that sounds like Osama. They also believe that all Muslims are inherantly evil and, therefore, can be slaughtered with impunity. So, one added advantage to electing Obama president is that it will totally freak them (and all freaks like them) out! LOL. This will further discredit the GOP's fake terror mind-fuck! I can't wait.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?
Mandel Rule violation, you lose. Ever hear of the Year of Jubilee? In ancient Israel, God decreed that the Israelites hit the economic reset button every 50 years. All debts forgiven. All land (the primary asset/source of wealth in those times) returned to the original tribal distribution. Was God a socialist?
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1. Agreed. 2. True 3. Me as well 4. It is, indeed, "time."
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Come on ya big RAT-COMMIE loving pu**y, answer the question: "When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"
Just let your Communist buddy answer the question, then we'll deal with YOU...
Mandel Rule violation, you lose. You have to have argument and evidence for such broad based accusations. If you make a one size fits all accusation, you do it because of lack of ability to argue a point. I am quite serious, I have nothing to say to you by virtue of you losing your own argument with your own display of intellectual laziness. You seek to bait, and actually only bedevil yourself with a rhetorical gunshot wound to the foot.
BARACK-BARACK-BARACK...what, are you afraid to answer the simple question ?
My, what an ignorant, foul mouth you have. Does that compensate you for your inability to make a rational argument? I've found that's the case with most wingnuts. And your mouth breathing will give you respiratory problems later in life.
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Good seeing you ! How's the life partner ?
I don't think he's afraid, I suspect he just doesn't want to stoop to your level. BARACK-BARACK-BARACK .. I wouldn't either.
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This will further discredit the GOP's fake terror mind-fuck! I can't wait. Committing rhetorical self-immolation by helping elect this clown to "get back" at the GOP or your relatives is no answer. Never has been. Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son. The Establishment has got you brainwashed but good since you're voting for an Establishment clown as a "protest?" Sheesh.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx BARACK-BARACK-BARACK .. I wouldn't either. Everyone here knows why you fairies pull this crap...because you would incriminate yourselves by being honest. Therefore, all this other bull you post all over 4um.
Have you ever considered wit lessons? You sound like an angry wingnut trying to be funny right now. And its not pretty.
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Hard up for a reply? Why don't you try calling me a doo-doo head? That would be just about as pathetic.
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Frankly, you can't fix stupid. However, some of these others are self-admitted geniuses that have been in forums like this for years and years, let alone here through most if not all of the Ron Paul campaign... They'll suck in whatever unwitting fool they can devour. That's what makes them ass wipes.
My "communist buddy" served in U.S. Special Forces and fought to defend this country (only to discover that its most fearsome enemies were the ones at the top of the chain of command giving the orders). You've got some nerve calling my friend a commie. I wouldn't do that to his face if I were you.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
You wingnuts don't do very well when someone calls you on your silly hate speech do you. Why don't you call everyone here a fag? That sort or moronic statement will make you feel better and give us something go laugh about.
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Exactly. Another game being played by this person is the usual spammer's attempt to annoy enough to bait another into giving an intemperate reaction. If one does not fall for this gambit, the game ends soon enough.
You've got some nerve calling my friend a commie. I wouldn't do that to his face if I were you. Don't ask, Don't tell then too ? Your special friend is sucking hard for an Establishment Liberal Marxist...hardly friends of America are you two clowns.
When did you first know that you were a Socialist/Communist thief/redistributionist ? Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! You win the stupid juvenile, leading question of the day award. And by the way, when did you stop beating your wife?
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There you are. Maybe if I ask you enough, you'll cease being a blow hard chickensh*t and answer the question. "When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"
Why don't you really show us what an idiot you are and call them all fags for holding a well reasoned point of view? Do you want me to explain to you why you had to pathetically whine to the mods for three days about your bozo count?
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Now I remember why I associate you with Corn Flake. You always come running to his defense like a little b!tch...spasmodically posting like you're nobody or something.
I don't think he should answer it until you can prove you can act like an adult.
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Temper, temper little boy. Now let the adults talk. We've all seen what a foul and stupid mouth you have. You've nothing else to show us. Why don't you go sob to the mods about your bozo count again?
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Are all wingnuts as ignorant, hostile and foul mouthed as you are? If not, do you realize that you are a shitty advocate for your cause?
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Thanks. I went back in to stay for twenty years and the Panama War changed my mind. War is for national defense, not to use troops as whores for entities such as Halliburton in the commission of advancing a political faction's political agenda. I resent what the criminals in power have done to the U.S. Armed Forces and this country. If I knew at the start of my return to the U.S. Army from the National Guard Special Forces component I was in what actually controls and uses the U.S. Armed Forces, I never would of gone back in.
At least my state didn't give a blue-blooded-Bonesman/tyrant-in-training his political lift off to the presidency (and fake good-ole-boy disguise). Now that's "drunk and stupid"! How could Texans let their state be so thoroughly carpetbagged by Connecticut Yankees? Drunk and stupid, indeed.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
You GO man. Love you and the truth. Tom
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Why did you spend three days crying to the mods about your very large bozo count? You know why you had it. It because you are an ignorant prick that nobody thinks is worth reading. Are you too small of a man to accept that? Why be a flaming pussy and cry to the mods over it?
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If he wishes to start doing so, he is always welcome to try to actually build a decent reputation as a worthy interlocutor to discuss things with. But I fear this is unlikely to come to pass. There is no need to feel frustration and anger at someone else's inability to post well either. That is just a waste of time I am not into.
What irks me is that he made the mods life miserable for three days crying about his bozo count. Like it wasn't his own F'ing fault. I'll have no respect for the idiot until he can take responsibility for his own actions. If you act like a prick, and if you get bozo'd for it, then have enough pride to suck up and accept it. Don't cry to the mods to have your count reduced.
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Wasn't me complaining. I was celebrating being almost universally filtered by you Ophiles. I take pride in having all you chickensh*t Establishment-Marxist-World Orderist supporters dodge simple questions and then bozo me...
Yes it was. Try accepting a little responsibility for you actions. That's what adults do.
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Yeah, you do ask simple questions: "Duhhhh when'ja stop bein' a fag homo?" "When did you first know that you were a Socialist/Communist thief/redistributionist?" ROTFLOL!!! {Pszssst. There is a spell checker on the site, so although you can't act like an adult, you could spell like one. If you would but pay attention to the little red line under the words of your post.}
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Nope, I have NEVER complained, only made notice of how many of you Ophiles are bozoing bedwetters in denial or lying about why you support an Establishment Marxist racist...J T & Chris, have I *EVER* complained about the filter ? Night trip dots, have sweet redistributionist dreams...
Why on earth wouldn't someone bozo you? You're not capable of doing anything beyond calling people fags and commies. Lots of nine year olds can do better than that. And not everyone likes to tweak the site kook, so they should be free to bozo you. You do understand that you are here for sport don't you? Just like BeAChooser, Happy Fun Balls, Brer and the rest of the site kooks before you.
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I will and I have, with just a few exceptions: I can not blame the negroes for voting for one of their own, they will not get another shot for about 50 more years. As for the ladies, most of them don’t have a logical bone in their body, so they get a partial pass. But when I run into a Caucasian professional man swooning over the boy I colorfully and firmly tell them they are assholes with a capital A, who are placing our great country in mortal danger by putting a total neophyte in as CiC. However, I don’t think the boy will make it; McCain will drop napalm on him & turn him into a crispy critter.
Since I don't need to use a kill file function, I don't argue about it either. So what is really your point? If you had been paying attention, you would already know this.
I'm bored. I think we should open up a forum wide contest to figure out what the letters F.O.H. stand for. Freaky Obama Hater? Flamingly Obscene Hemorrhoid?
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"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I was wondering myself. F.O.D. is 'foriegn object damage' and refers to what happens when foreign objects get sucked into helicopter free power turbine engines. Having been a helicopter C/E on a UH-1H that of course was the first thing his nick reminded me of. But what FOH stands for could be just about anything. It's not a serious account this guy's doing, all the behavior motivated by desires to disrupt and harass make that obvious. And he is dumber then even Ghost of Quantrill was, which is a disappointment. So far he's at best a time waster.
I think FOH is still in the process of growing up.
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...and if JFK were running today, he would be part of a currently-discriminated-against group...
Elect anyone but Obama, Clinton, or McCain.
I met some guys who are in a Druidic order the other night. Husband and such of the woman who just graduated. One thing they do really well is make mead. I guess its one of the things the order does. We went out the following night and drank some raspberry mead that they made. Really good stuff. Sounds like its easy to make, but that could be deceptive. Going to buy the wine making equipment and try to whip up five gallons. Sounds like its easier to make than decent wine.
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Denial. Naivety. Zero common sense. Closet socialist. A pretend Independent/Constitutionalist.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
'a Marxist nation'??? LOL. Your... priceless, my very good friend. But you seem to be a tiny little bit thin-skinned. Why's that?
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Vast. What exactly is Obama's plan for the war on terror?
Is it true that those druids and wiccans have orgies and weird sex? That they sacrifice babies and drip the blood over everyone in the orgy?
They seek out deep weeds and entertain themselves with hand puppet shows.
The 'war' on... WHAT? Sorry, friend, we don't speak Bushspeak in my house. Christine, see? I'm not saying that JT is a Bushbot but, will you agree that my concern was legitimate? He DOES speak Bushspeak, as the evidence in italics proves.
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And he has just indicated on another thread that he favors McCain.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
And if people's noses grew every time they told a lie like Pinnochio's did it wouldn't surprise me to see Obama have to hire people to hold his nose up.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Excellent. How anyone could justify voting for any of the three commies--Obama, McCain, Clinton--is beyond me. And people who would tell you that they know what is going on too. Apparently not.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. When is the last time you voted for a WINNER in a Presidential election, James?
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, No, that's the Mormons...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Friend of Hillary.
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, As you yourself know, the answer is no. The real question is why you feel compelled to use these sorts of silly, dishonest tactics against something that is absolutely irrelevant.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
F.O.H - S.E.X feat.RHYMESTER
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Either they are in love with him or they are a bunch of racists as well. Obama is a joke candidate that is only succeeding becasue the elite have done a very good job at dumbing down the population and encouraging black racism.
God is always good!
Now I've seen everything. -Snip "We cannot win a war against the terrorists if we're on the wrong battlefield," said Obama. "America must urgently begin deploying from Iraq and take the fight more effectively to the enemy's home by destroying al-Qaida's leadership along the Afghan-Pakistan border, eliminating their command and control networks and disrupting their funding." -Snip
If Obama were white, his support here would be ZERO
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
If W Bush wasn't dumb we'd have someone else in the WH today. Of course he would be a different man. Or woman. If you were a Negro, you'd probably be in a chain gang now. Obama, on the other hand, while a half-Negro, managed to graduate as the crème de la crème (crème brûlée in his case) and avoid the chain gang. Why couldn't YOU (as a Negro) stay away from sinful temptations and crime? Hmmm?
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True, because he'd still be in the Illinois Senate. “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position" - Geraldine Ferraro.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
How can I discuss his position on a foreign policy disaster, if I don't quote his use of a hackneyed propaganda bullshit phrase?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Is this the point in an argument where you roll off the rails and descend into a ball of quivering jello?
Maybe he's not the Jethro that we all knew. I liked him when he was playing the flute, standing on one leg... those were the days. Sitting on a park bench Sun streaking cold Feeling alone Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I think a white guy would have avoided government work, but you tell me?
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Your the freakin Bushbot, Bushbot!
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Sen. Obama (D-IL), whose father was Kenyan, has been particularly vocal in the Senate on U.S. Africa policy. He has been especially outspoken regarding policy toward Darfur, traveling to the region with Sen. Brownback. He calls for a no-fly zone over Darfur. In 2005, Obama cosponsored the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act. He says he has divested (AP) about $180,000 of his personal financial holdings from Sudan-related stock. In March 2007, Obama introduced a resolution condemning the government of Zimbabwe for its violence against the opposition. That resolution passed. With Dodd, Obama cosponsored the March 2007 bill to amend the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 to bolster public health efforts in sub-Saharan Africa. That bill has not yet been voted on. Obama told Vanity Fair that as president, he plans to expand PEPFAR 60;by providing at least $1 billion a year in new money.61; In February 2008, Obama called the power-sharing agreement reached between Kenyan President Mwai Kibaki and opposition leader Raila Odinga "a vital step forward," but urged coalition members to "make an enduring commitment to democracy, cooperation and national unity." Maj. Gen. J. Scott Gration, CEO of Millennium Villages, a project aimed at fighting poverty in Africa, is a national security adviser to Obama's campaign. The Obama campaign57;s June 2007 memo exposing Clinton57;s ties to India sparked an outcry from the Indian- American community. USINPAC denounced Obama57;s memo as 60;the worst kind of anti Indian American stereotyping.61; Sen. Obama (D-IL) apologized for the memo, which referred to Clinton as 60;Clinton (D-Punjab) 61; (Rediff.com). Obama voted in favor of the United States-India Energy Security Cooperation Act of 2006. South Asians for Obama published this list (PDF) of Obama57;s stances on issues of interest to the South Asian community in the United States. Military Tribunals and Guantanamo Bay Sen. Obama (D-IL) says Guantanamo should be closed and habeas corpus (AP) should be restored for the detainees. He says the United States should have 60;developed a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused.61; In February 2008, Obama criticized the prosecution of six Guantanamo detainees charged with involvement in the 9/11 attacks. He said the trials are "too important to be held in a flawed military commission system that has failed to convict anyone of a terrorist act since the 9/11 attacks and that has been embroiled in legal challenges" (SFChron). Instead, Obama said, the men should be tried in a U.S. criminal court or by a military court- martial. Obama voted against the Military Commissions Act. Sen. Obama57;s response to the NSA spying controversy was mixed. On one hand, he opposed the nomination of former NSA chief Michael Hayden to the position of CIA director because of his role in the warrantless wiretapping program and said that he disapproved of Bush57;s avoidance of FISA oversight in the NSA eavesdropping efforts. But on the other hand, like Clinton, Dodd, and Biden, he did not join in Sen. Feingold57;s efforts to censure Bush over the warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens. Obama opposes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies that cooperated in warrantless wiretapping of Americans. "No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people," he said in January 2008.Obama did not vote on the FISA Amendments Act in February 2008. Obama has said he will make the Director of National Intelligence into a position with a fixed term limit " to foster consistency and integrity." (WashPost) Sen. Obama (D- IL), like his fellow Democratic candidates, has been critical of the Bush administration57;s policies relating to the war on terror. In a recent Foreign Affairs article, Obama called the Bush57;s response to 9/11 60;conventional thinking of the past, largely viewing problems as state-based and principally amenable to military solutions.61; As a result of the actions taken under the auspices of the war on terror, Obama says, 60;the world has lost trust in our purposes and our principles.61; Instead, Obama says, U.S. efforts in the Middle East should focus on empowering 60;forces of moderation61; by increasing 60;access to education and health care, trade and investment61; and support for civil society. Like Clinton, Obama says the government57;s priority should be preventing terrorist groups from obtaining weapons of mass destruction. Democracy Promotion in the Arab World Sen. Obama (D-IL) has said the United States benefits from "the expansion of democracy," and said democratic countries are "our best trading partners, our most valuable allies and the nations with which we share our deepest values." In a March 2008 Washington Post interview, Obama said the United States should work to advance democracy by setting an example and banning torture, extraordinary rendition and by closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. Obama favors democracy promotion as a principle of foreign policy (he introduced the DRC Relief, Security and Democracy Promotion Act in 2005). Still, he has generally not framed his rhetoric about the Middle East in terms of democracy promotion. Obama cosponsored the ADVANCE Democracy Act of 2005, which sought to reinforce the U.S. commitment to promoting democracy around the world. That bill would have established 60;Regional Democracy Hubs61; around the world meant to develop and implement strategies to help bring about democratic transitions in non-democratic countries. The bill never passed. In the summer 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs, Obama said democratic states are better equipped to fight terrorism, stop the spread of weapons, and deal with public health crises. To this end, Obama said as president he would increase foreign aid funding to $50 billion by 2012 and demand reform of corrupt governments. He also said he would 60;capitalize a $2 billion Global Education Fund61; to ensure educated citizens that can contribute to the solidifying of democracy around the world. Speaking in 2006, Obama crit icized (AP) President Bush's energy policy: 60;Saying that America is addicted to oil without following a real plan for energy independence is like admitting alcoholism and then skipping out on the twelve-step program.61; Obama says he will attempt to reduce oil consumption by 7.64 million barrels a day by 2025 from current levels. Obama co-authored the Fuel Economy Reform Act with Biden, among other senators. The act, which has not been passed yet, would make all automobiles manufactured for 2012 meet the fuel economy standard of 27.5 miles per gallon. Obama has also said that he supports tax breaks and loan guarantees for users of clean energy sources like ethanol and blended fuel E85. More controversially, Obama supports the coal-to-liquid (CTL) fuel legislation under consideration in the Senate and the House, even though some experts say CTLs might cause even more carbon dioxide pollution than gasoline. He explained his support for CTLs, saying they 60;will create jobs and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.61; Obama broke ranks from many of his fellow Democratic senators voting for the 2005 Energy Policy Act. he believes that a 60;strong carbon cap61; (Grist) is better than a freeze on development on a particular type of energy. Obama did not attend the vote on the Renewable Fuels, Consumer Protection, and Energy Efficiency Act of 2007. That bill passed. At a debate on January 15, 2008, Obama said he would support more nuclear power if it could be made cost-efficient and safe, and the waste stored effectively. He noted, if that can be done, "then we should pursue it because what we don't want is to produce more greenhouse gases." Obama says he would invest $150 billion over 10 years (PDF) toward new alternative energy technology, and to "accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid." Obama's energy plan can be viewed here. Sen. Obama (D-IL) has taken a strongly pro-Israel tone in addressing the conflict. In a speech before AIPAC in March 2007, Obama said the United States must 60;strengthen the hands of Palestinian moderates61; and isolate Hamas. Haaretz U.S. correspondent Shmuel Rosner said that before AIPAC, Obama 60;sounded as strong as Clinton, as supportive as Bush, as friendly as Giuliani.61; In April 2008, Barack Obama's campaign said he disapproved (ABC News) of former President Jimmy Carter's decision to meet with Hamas officials. Obama "does not support negotiations with Hamas until they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist and abide by past agreements," Obama's campaign said. Despite his pledge to hold diplomatic talks with U.S. adversaries without preconditions, Obama called Carter's meeting with Hamas leaders "a bad idea." (Reuters) His campaign statement also indicated that Obama would negotiate directly with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. In the July/August 2007 issue of Foreign Affairs, Sen. Obama (D-IL) advocates for developing an 60;international coalition61; to handle nuclear North Korea, calls the Six-Party Talks 60;ad hoc,61; and says he supports 60;sustained, direct, and aggressive diplomacy.61; Within weeks of Pyongyang57;s nuclear test, Obama appeared on Meet the Press and said the United States had no leverage over North Korea because of Washington57;s refusal to hold bilateral negotiations. He also clarified a passage from his book Audacity of Hope (in which he posed the question 60;Why invade Iraq and not North Korea or Burma?61;) and said he did not consider invading the communist country an option to resolving the nuclear issue. In May 2005, Obama named North Korea as one of the "biggest proliferation challenges we currently face." Obama has called for the strengthening of the Nuclear Non- Proliferation Treaty so that countries like North Korea "that break the rules will automatically face strong international sanctions." Sen. Obama (D-IL) has broken with the status quo on U.S. policy toward Cuba. In August 2007, he called for travel and remittance restrictions on Cuban-Americans to be lifted. In an op-ed in the Miami Herald, Obama also said he would engage in bilateral talks with Cuba to send the message that the United States is willing to normalize relations with Cuba upon evidence of a democratic opening there. In February 2008, Obama called Fidel Castro's resignation "the end of a dark era in Cuba57;s history," and called for a democratic transition there. He said the United States should prepare to "begin taking steps to normalize relations and to ease the embargo of the last five decades." He also urged the "prompt release of all political prisoners" in Cuba. He has voted twice to cut off TV Marti funding (WashPost). Sen. Obama (D-IL) has expressed interest in cooperation with China, although he sees the country as a major competitor to the United States. At the April 2007 debate among Democratic candidates, Obama said China is 60;neither our enemy nor our friend. They're competitors. But we have to make sure that we have enough military-to-military contact and forge enough of a relationship with them that we can stabilize the region.61; In an April 2007 speech before the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, Obama said that if elected president, he would 60;forge a more effective regional framework in Asia,61; building on 60;our strong bilateral relations and informal arrangements like the Six-Party Talks61; on North Korea. Obama has noted the problems with China57;s revaluation of the yuan. He has said that although the United States should maintain a cooperative relationship with China, it should 60;never hesitate to be clear and consistent with China where we disagree52;whether on protection of intellectual property rights, the manipulation of its currency, human rights, or the right stance on Sudan and Iran.61; Obama will cosponsor a bill with Clinton to impose high duties on Chinese goods, intended to pressure China into revaluing its currency (FT). In March 2008, Obama condemned China's crackdown on protests by Tibetan Buddhist monks. He called on China to respect Tibet's religion and culture, and said China should grant Tibet "genuine and meaningful autonomy." Obama also said the Dalai Lama should be invited to visit China, "as part of a process leading to his return." Obama sent a letter in March 2008 calling on President Bush to urge China to "make significant progress in resolving the Tibet issue." Obama said Bush should press Chinese President Hu Jintao to negotiate with the Dalai Lama about his return to Tibet, to guarantee religious freedom for Tibetans, and to grant Tibet "genuine autonomy." In April 2008, Obama said President Bush should keep the option of boycotting the opening ceremony of the Olympics "firmly on the table." He said President Bush should decide to attend based on whether China takes "steps to help stop the genocide in Darfur and to respect the dignity, security, and human rights of the Tibetan people." Obama has expressed support for the "one China" policy. In March 2008, Obama congratulated Taiwanese President-elect Ma Ying-jeou on his electoral victory, and said the government of China should respond to the election "in a positive, constructive, and forward-leaning way." He also said China should "demonstrate to the people of Taiwan that the practical and non-confrontational approach that President-elect Ma promises to take toward the Mainland will be met with good faith and progress." He called on China to build confidence with Taiwan by reducing its military deployment in southeast China, and to "allow Taiwan greater international space" in the World Health Organization. Former Ambassador Jeffrey Bader, the Clinton administration's National Security Council Asia specialist, is a national security adviser to Obama's campaign. Bader is now the head of Brookings's John L. Thornton China center. In a speech to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs in April 2007, Sen. Obama (D-IL) advocated the expansion of the military to include an additional sixty-five thousand army soldiers and twenty-seven thousand marines. He also called for an increase in the number of Arabic speakers in the military. In Obama57;s 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream, he wrote, 60;It's time we acknowledge that a defense budget and force structure built principally around the prospect of World War III makes little strategic sense.61; In October 2007, Obama said private security contractors like Blackwater USA should not be "rogue militia, roaming the country shooting without justification and without consequences." He called for increased accountability for contractors and wrote in an op-ed in the Chicago Sun- Times. that U.S. "national interests are threatened when these companies act on the country's behalf without having to answer to Americans. Instead of winning the hearts and minds of Iraqis, we've made them angry and possibly fueled support for the counterinsurgency that is keeping us stuck in Iraq." As Obama was elected in 2004, he does not have a voting record on military operations in the Gulf War, Kosovo, or in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. He has been critical of the war in Iraq, but was not yet in office at the time that the Iraq War resolution was passed. Sen. Obama (D-IL) writes in Foreign Affairs that the United States needs to move beyond Iraq and 60;refocus our attention on the broader Middle East.61; One of the few presidential candidates who opposed the war (PDF) from the start, he says there is 60;no military solution61; to the situation in Iraq. In January 2007, Obama proposed the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007, which would reverse the troop surge and redeploy U.S. troops to Afghanistan and other locations in phases. He favors more funds for U.S. military equipment like night-vision goggles and reinforced Humvees, though his recent refusal to sign a war funding bill came under criticism from presidential aspirant John McCain (R-AZ), who, among other things, accused the senator of misspelling "flak jacket." Under Obama's plan, there may be a residual troop presence (NYT) in Iraq for security and training purposes. His bill has not yet been voted on. In September 2007, Obama released his plan (PDF) to "responsibly end the war in Iraq," calling for a complete redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2009, starting immediately. He also advocates a UN-led Iraqi constitutional convention in order to forge national reconciliation and to reach compromises on federalism, oil revenue sharing, and "de-Ba'athification." As president, Obama says he would establish an "international working group" to solve the Iraqi refugee crisis. Obama opposes the establishment of permanent U.S. military bases (USA Today) in Iraq. Obama opposes Defense Secretary Robert Gates' plan to "pause" U.S. troop withdrawal (CNN) from Iraq in July 2008. In February 2008, Obama said he "strongly" disagrees with Gates' proposal, and warned against waging "war without end in Iraq while ignoring mounting costs to our troops and their families, our security and our economy." Sen. Obama (D-IL) generally supports free trade policies, though like many of his fellow Democratic candidates, he has expressed concern about free trade agreements that do not include labor and environmental protections. In a February 2008 speech at the General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, Obama said he "will not sign another trade agreement unless it has protections for our environment and protections for American workers." Obama has called NAFTA a "bad" trade deal. In an August 2007 Democratic debate, Obama said he would meet with the Canadian and Mexican heads of state to 60;try to amend NAFTA,61; saying the agreement 60;should reflect the principle that our trade should not just be good for Wall Street, but should also be good for Main Street61; (see video). In a February 2008 Democratic debate, Obama said he would "make sure that we renegotiate" NAFTA and use "the hammer of a potential opt-out" of NAFTA as leverage to ensure enforceable labor and environmental protections. Still, in February 2008, Obama said he does not think "it's realistic for us to repeal NAFTA," because that could lead to "more job loss ... than job gains." (ABC) Obama voted to approve the 2006 FTA with Oman. He opposed CAFTA, however, explaining in 2005, 60;It does less to protect labor than previous trade agreements, and does little to address enforcement of basic environmental standards in the Central American countries and the Dominican Republic.61; Obama did not vote on the 2007 Peru FTA, but expressed support for the deal (AP). In a March 2008 speech, Obama said he would oppose a free trade agreement with Columbia, because "the violence against unions in Colombia would make a mockery of the very labor protections that we have insisted be included in these kinds of agreements." Obama has also criticized the U.S.-South Korea FTA, which he said is "bad for American workers." Obama has criticized China for manipulating its currency, and in June 2007 urged Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to take action against China. "At least partially as a result of the Administration57;s failure to address Chinese currency manipulation, the U.S. imported more than $232 billion in goods from China than we sold to it last year," he wrote. In March 2008, Obama praised the passage of the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) Reform Act, which requires that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) examine the CPSC's monitoring of goods imported to the United States, and make recommendations to improve safety and regulation. "We must ensure that the CPSC has every tool available to effectively regulate imported products in today's global marketplace and protect our most vulnerable citizens from dangerous products," Obama said. Obama, who sits on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, has been a critic of how federal homeland security funding has been handled. He has also been critical of the Patriot Act, but he voted to adopt a conference report to reauthorize it in 2006. Obama cosponsored the SAFE Act of 2005. In February 2007, Obama cosponsored the Risk-Based Homeland Security Grants Act and has been a steady advocate of risk-based funding for homeland security. In a 2006 podcast, Obama criticized the Homeland Security Appropriations bill, saying, 60;you would want to give more protection to the Empire State Building or the Golden Gate Bridge than you would want to provide to a Home Depot somewhere in downstate Illinois that is probably not on any terrorist hit list. Unfortunately, what we57;re seeing is that Congress is more focused on political handouts than strategic funding.61; In March 2006, Obama cosponsored the Chemical Security and Safety Act, which sought to increase chemical plant security. Also in 2006, Obama voted for the FEMA Amendment, which failed. In April 2008, Obama sent a letter asking the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Assistant Secretary Kip Hawley to "address recent reports of possible security vulnerabilities" at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport. Obama expressed particular concern about the possibility that terrorists could impersonate law officers by obtaining TSA uniforms. Sen. Obama (D-IL) has expressed support for 60;opening dialogue61;with Iran, in part to ask for its assistance in 60;playing a more constructive role in Iraq.61; Obama has said Iran's nuclear ambitions represent a "serious threat to the United States, to our ally Israel and to international security." Obama said in a March 2007 speech before AIPAC that he supports 60;tough sanctions61; on Iran to compel it to stop its uranium enrichment program. In the same speech, he said that he 60;does not believe that the use of military force towards Iran should be ruled out (Chicago Sun-Times). Still, in an April 2007 presidential debate, Obama said, 60;I think it would be a profound mistake (NYT) for us to initiate a war with Iran.61; The Senator hardened his position on this point following the NIE release. During a debate in Iowa on December 4 Obama accused President Bush of not letting 60;facts get in the way of his ideology61; in dealing with Iran, and said the Bush administration57;s saber-rattling and threats of war 60;should have never started61; (NPR). Obama has repeatedly said he would engage Iran in "tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions." In a February 2008 Democratic debate, Obama said it is "important for the United States not just to talk to its friends but also to talk to its enemies," including Iran. Obama has also said the United States should consider offering the incentive of World Trade Organization membership for Iran if it abandons its nuclear program. In March 2008, Obama praised the UN Security Council's resolution to up pressure on Iran for its nuclear program. Still, Obama said, the resolution "represents a lowest common denominator because Russia and China did not agree to tougher sanctions." In May 2007, Obama sponsored the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act, which would authorize state and local governments to divest from Iran's petroleum sector, protecting fund managers who divest from lawsuits. That bill has not reached a vote. Sen. Obama (D-IL) has said Russia is 60;neither our enemy nor close ally,61; and said the United States 60;shouldn57;t shy away from pushing for more democracy, transparency, and accountability61; there. He has focused much of his discussion of Russia on diminishing the possibility of nuclear weapons use. In a July 2007 Foreign Affairs article, Obama said the United States and Russia should collaborate to 60;update and scale back our dangerously outdated Cold War nuclear postures and de-emphasize the role of nuclear weapons.61; In an October 2007 speech in Chicago, Obama said if elected he would work to 60;take U.S. and Russian ballistic missiles off hair-trigger alert, and to dramatically reduce the stockpiles of our nuclear weapons and material.61; He said he would seek a 60;global ban on the production of fissile material for weapons61; and an expansion of 60;the U.S.-Russian ban on intermediate-range missiles.61; In 2005, Obama traveled with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) to nuclear and biological weapons destruction sites in Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. Obama and Lugar then introduced legislation to eliminate nuclear stockpiles throughout the former Soviet Union. That law was enacted in 2007. Obama has called Russia's April 2008 move to seek closer ties with Georgian the secessionist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia "deeply troubling and contrary to Russia's obligations as a permanent member of the UN Security Council." Obama views climate change as an "epochal, man- made threat to the planet" (Foreign Affairs) and vows to lead an international coalition to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Obama has said he will try to ensure (PDF) "that our nation's environmental laws and policies balance America's need Obama has called for a market- based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions. He has said that if he is elected he would invest $150 billion over ten years to advance clean energy technology. He has also said he would doubly increase fuel economy standards within 18 years by providing tax credits and loan guarantees for U.S. auto plants and parts manufacturers for building more fuel efficient cars. Obama cosponsored the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act of 2007, which would establish a 60;Climate Change Credit Corporation61; to manage tradeable allowances and stimulate the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions. That bill has not yet been voted on. With Hillary Clinton, Obama recently signed on as a cosponsor of the Global Warming Pollution Reduction Act. Obama's proposals for climate change can be viewed here. Sen. Obama (D- IL), the son of a Kenyan immigrant, has spoken out on immigration and voted on numerous immigration bills since taking office in January 2005. Obama, whose Illinois constituents include a high percentage of Mexican immigrants, voted against the English as a National Language Amendment in 2006. Obama proposed three amendments that were included in the Senate Immigration Reform Bill last year, including one that mandates that jobs be offered to American workers at a 60;prevailing wage61; before they are offered to guest workers. Another of these amendments makes it a requirement that employers are able to prove that their workers are all legally permitted to work in the United States. His third amendment grants the FBI $3 million a year to improve efficie ncy for background checks on immigrants applying for citizenship. Obama has also called for sweeping amnesty for illegal immigrants. However, he voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Obama opposed an amendment to the Senate immigration reform bill of June 2007 that would prevent immigrants with a criminal record from gain ing legal status (AP). Obama supports granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, and has called it a "public safety concern." Sen. Obama (D-IL) has repeatedly said that the United Nations should play a key role in managing crises like Darfur. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama voted against the Bolton nomination. His comments during those hearings provide a sense of his stance on the United Nations, including the need for reform: 60;Countries such as Zimbabwe and Burma, and others that do not want to see reform take place at the UN, are going to be able to dismiss our efforts at reform by saying: Mr. Bolton is a UN basher, someone who is ideologically opposed to the existence of the UN52;thereby using Mr. Bolton's own words and lack of credibility as a shield to prevent the very reforms that need to take place.61; Pakistan first achieved notoriety in the presidential campaign in summer 2007 when Obama said he believed the United States should hunt al- Qaeda forces in Pakistan. 60;If we have actionable intelligence about high- value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will,61; he said at the time. During his 2004 Senate campaign, Obama also said he would consider military action in Pakistan to destroy nuclear weapons there should Musharraf be overthrown in a coup d57;état. In November 2007, Obama cosponsored a resolution condemning Musharraf57;s imposition of a state of emergency, and calling for an investigation into a prior assassination attempt on Bhutto. Sen. Obama (D-IL) has said the United States should seek 60;a world in which there are no nuclear weapons.61; But he said in an October 2007 speech he does not believe the United States should pursue unilateral nuclear disarmament. 60;As long as nuclear weapons exist, we57;ll retain a strong nuclear deterrent,61; he said. If elected, he says he will seek 60;a global ban on the production of fissile material for weapons,61; as well as an expansion of the U.S.- Russian intermediate-range missile ban. He also says he will 60;strengthen the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty so that nations that don't comply will automatically face strong international sanctions.61; Obama says if elected he will make ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty a priority. Though he says the United States should 60;lead the international effort to deemphasize the role of nuclear weapons around the world,61; he has stopped short of opposing the building of a new Reliable Replacement Warhead (RRW). Instead, he said he is against (PDF) a 60;premature61; decision to build an RRW . In August 2005, Obama traveled with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) to nuclear and biological weapons destruction facilities in the former Soviet Union, where they urged the destruction of conventional weapons stockpiles. With Lugar, Obama introduced the Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act, which passed as part of the Department of State Authorities Act of 2006.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
:P Lightweight.....
A 'real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused.' Hmmm.. wonder what that means.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Maybe his beating around the bushbots like you instead of bushbotwhacking. This is for you, from the god of lyrical dances: On Preston platform Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Hell, I love this stuff. Even tho the point on your head is sharper than your wit, the activity is good for the forum.......so.......continue please..... (cheese eater)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
No, no, no......the cheese you munch has nothing to do with the wonderful state of Wisconsin.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Well... you can be all you can be, if you catch my meaning. And all you can be is either a bushbot or an oxymoronic perv. Which want would you rather be?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Since we have some McCain supporters here too, I don't think that's quite true. Obama's race is actually the LEAST of his problems, as far as I'm concerned.
Point well taken.
Yeah, those pesky Badgers. I dread that team in the Fall. Not because of the unexpected, but b/c they are always the same; big, mean and usually good. We're at Madison for a night game this October and I won't be betting with my heart.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I just saw the Christian Loon Party thread. Now I understand where you are coming from. No, these people were not fundies like you, so like Catholics, Methodists, Unitarians, Hindus and Buddhists, they all worship Satan - or at least as far as you're concerned they do. (And people wonder why the founding fathers put the First Amendment, which erects a wall between fundie Christian lunacy the state, as the first and most important amendment. Jefferson saw you guys coming.)
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A very, very long time ago. And if I had it to do over I would have written someone in rather than voting for that "winner."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. My generalized observation is that there is a very direct correlation between COLD and clean...with a few notable exceptions.
If voting for a winner is the be all and end all, why didn't you just go ahead and vote for Clinton in 1992 and 1996? You must have known that the odds were in his favor.
The Dick?
Mine was The Dick, but my heart was with Wallace.
We all know what happened to George, once his campaign started gaining traction with the people...it's sad what has happened to our country.
Yeah. Didn't much care for the guy and have never voted for any establishment clown since then.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Like many of us here, I'll cop to pulling the lever for smirk '00. What a fool.
What a fool. He fooled a lot of people. The important thing is that you woke up. I don't think there are nearly enough to elect him for a third term (if the Constitution allowed it), but there are probably 15 or 20% of the people who would give that cs another term. And that is sad.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Jesus told us that the poor would be with us alway, I just wish that he'd spelled out more clearly the rapture monkey/ziocon/nutters in more detail for us. Clearly (to me) these people are not of the Lord, or His calling. Stay safe, and armed.
The first amendment does no such thing. The first amendment forbids CONGRESS from having a state religion. There is no such prohibition for the states to do such. In fact there were state religions in the past. Back when better people ran this country. Having said that. I wouldn't want any church to run the government. To many churches get to many things wrong. Besides you can't and shouldn't force Jesus on anyone. You should tell people but you can't force them to accept the truth.
Thomas Jefferson said it did, and so did the Supreme Court. And you don't have to take my word for it. Google "wall between church and state" and the first two links give your the Jefferson letter and the relevant Supreme Court ruling. But thank you for sharing your opinion.
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Ok lets make it simple. I will post it. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It says Congress not states. It says congress also can't prohibit free exercise of it. NOTICE THE "OR". So it is in the same context as abridging free speech or of the press, peacably assemble or petition the government. Tell me where the authority in the constitution is for the Supreme court to change the meaning of the constitution? Thomas Jefferson was our best president in my opinion. However Thomas Jeffersons opinions are not the constitution. And what you attribute as his opinion is in error.
Marberry-vs-Madison. Read it before you try to fob off this very old, and very discredited spin that your pastor has apparently fobbed off on you guys. And don't tell me that it isn't right because you disagree with it. If you don't respect the American system, then move to Afghanistan where religious kooks operate outside the law.
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Marberry vs Madison was a power grab. The supreme court can't give themselves power legitimately. Nice try. lol
Nice try. lol Now that you've read preliminary case, and you see how the Supreme Court has the power to do what it did, read these: Establishment of Religion: Everson v. Board of Education, 330 U.S. 1 (1947). Free Exercise of Religion: Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296 (1940) Your "Feds Don't Control the States" argument doesn't fly. But I think you already know that. You just don't want us to know that. And again, your hatred and disrespect for our American system doesn't negate the fact that this is the law of the land. And we are talking about what the law is, not what you. some other fundie kook or some Taliban thinks it ought to be.
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That's the dumbest thing I have heard all day. You get the stupid award for the day.
Stay safe, and armed. Well gosh, I guess you got me there. I believe there will be a rapture but I don't believe that makes me nuts (but I don't argue about religion either and don't set any dates for it). I do agree with you that many of the people who claim they are messengers of God are not and when you hear people call for the destruction of the innocent or teach that we should go to war without justifiable reasons, they are not God's messengers. Human nature being what it is, some of them are in it for the money. But you can be sure that God knows who his messengers are and who are not and will deal with them accordingly.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The last thing that we were told was to go and preach, not to go and kill.
Well said, Old Friend.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes. Mark 16:15
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Friend of Hillary. Wrong NAUbot, it's Felipe Othello Hartnet...
He's done what no one expected or thought possible - he's driven a stake through the heart of the Clinton machine.
#2. To: Arator (#0)
Purist non-voters like JT and chrissy would never vote for Obama, even if their abstention results in the neo-fascist GOP remaining unpunished and in power.
#3. To: Arator (#0)
#4. To: christine (#2)
hehehehe..that made me laugh.
#5. To: Arator (#0)
their abstention results in the neo-fascist GOP remaining unpunished and in power.
#6. To: angle (#5)
And the latest allegation: by supporting the 2nd amendment, more innocents die in Iraq.
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
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Knowing their lust for power, she just might collude with McKooK to defeat Obama, and then seek the throne in '12. McKooK will be 77 years old, snd she'll be a well preserved 65.
#8. To: Arator (#0)
#9. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)
#10. To: Arator (#7)
Remember Bill Clinton's comments about how nice it would be to have a Hillary/McCain race, because they are practically just the same?
#11. To: ... (#10)
#12. To: buckeye (#9)
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I really don't mind your penchant for dreaming. It's just tragic, though.
#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)
#14. To: Arator (#0)
Others (like me), find Obama to be an acceptable instrument for unleashing destructive wrath on the contemptable GOP (and their ranks of McCainiacal neo-con apocolypse-lusters).
#15. To: buckeye (#11)
It's more likely that he'll be telling them to vote for Holy Joe and McCain.
#16. To: ... (#15)
#17. To: Arator (#0)
Peace Piss on Obama and all the statist whores like him.
Lord Acton
#18. To: buckeye (#16)
#19. To: ... (#18)
#20. To: buckeye (#1)
Meet the new Rockefeller puppet, same as the old one.
Lord Acton
#21. To: buckeye (#13)
Dreamers do tend to be touchy.
#22. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#21)
#23. To: Pissed Off Janitor, christine, robin (#21)
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Knowing their lust for power, she just might collude with McKooK to defeat Obama, and then seek the throne in '12.
#25. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#21)
Obama is the perfect President for a 21st century America. All style and no substance. A media creation.
#26. To: Arator (#0)
#27. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#21)
#28. To: Arator (#0)
#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#22)
It would be interesting to count how many of the current Obamophobes continue to be Bushbots at heart
#30. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#21)
Repeat steps until this nation dies from stupidity.
#31. To: noone222 (#28)
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Should Obama get elected, (and I don't think he will) whom will be his step and fetchit V.P. ?
#32. To: Jethro Tull, Arator, ALL (#3)
The game goes on, with (some) of us pawns never catching on.
#33. To: Peppa (#27)
#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)
Obama has many qualities, of which his best is his not being a Clinton or a freaking Bush. He is intelligent, he seems to be a gentleman and he is not evil. We should always prefer non-evil people to the evil ones.
#35. To: Arator (#34)
#36. To: christine (#29)
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It would be interesting to count how many of the current Obamophobes continue to be Bushbots at heart
#37. To: Peppa (#27)
#38. To: aristeides (#35)
Because, like JFK, Obama belongs to a previously discriminated-against group, he has the potential of thinking beyond what the puppetmasters want.
#39. To: buckeye (#38)
#40. To: aristeides (#30)
Wouldn't that be better than having the nation die from aggressive war?
#41. To: RickyJ (#14)
You are delusional if you think Obama would kill the GOP. Heck, he would make it the dominant party for a very long time.
#42. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#40)
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#43. To: Pissed Off Janitor, aristeides (#40)
You think someone who considers Israel our #1 ME priority and Iran one of the greatest threats to world peace is going to stop the slaughter?
#44. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#40)
What do you think he wants another 60,000 Army and 30,000 Marines for?
#45. To: noone222 (#33)
#46. To: Arator (#0)
Arator, you are being duped by a big central government, liberal fascist. He is anti-American, and I predict his 1st Executive Order will be to ensure speech, such as mine, will be a crime. Please look beyond the nice guy smile and promises and learn about his political belief system.
SEN. OBAMA ISSUES STATEMENT ON HOUSE-SENATE FAILURE TO STRENGTHEN HATE CRIMES LAWS, GUARANTEE EQUALITY
Sponsor: Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] (introduced 4/12/2007) Cosponsors (44)
Related Bills: H.R.1592
Latest Major Action: 4/12/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
COSPONSORS(44), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
#47. To: aristeides (#39)
Name one thing JFK uttered against the Federal Reserve, Zionism, or the Rockefellers before he became President in 1961.
#48. To: buckeye (#47)
Did JFK accomplish anything?
#49. To: buckeye (#47)
#50. To: noone222 (#28)
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Should Obama get elected, (and I don't think he will) whom will be his step and fetchit V.P. ?
#51. To: buckeye (#38)
#52. To: aristeides (#49)
#53. To: christine (#29)
that is SO dumb. we're Paulites at heart and you know that.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
I predict his 1st Executive Order will be to ensure speech, such as mine, will be a crime.
#55. To: Arator (#50)
#56. To: Arator (#50)
I'm hoping that he picks Senator Jim Webb.
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
#58. To: buckeye (#52)
You'll settle for the continued destruction of our country.
#59. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#21)
He reminds of a cartoon where a character created advertising for a product that had yet to be created. Soon the whole town wanted it. What did they want, they didn't know. All they knew was they wanted it right then and there.
Lord Acton
#60. To: aristeides (#58)
#61. To: Arator (#50)
#62. To: buckeye (#57)
These 68ers WANT hate crime legislation. They crave it.
#63. To: buckeye (#13)
Dreamers do tend to be touchy.
#64. To: aristeides (#35)
Because, like JFK, Obama belongs to a previously discriminated-against group, he has the potential of thinking beyond what the puppetmasters want.
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#56)
See my #46. Webb if four square for Hate crime legislation. Stop with these frauds.
#66. To: Peppa, Jethro Tull (#65)
#67. To: noone222 (#37)
#68. To: buckeye (#66)
Americans who refuse to kowtow are NEXT. And many of these pro-Obama people will be pleased.
#69. To: Peppa, Buckeye (#65)
LePen is going to the slammer for saying a certain event was yes, a point in history.
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
And the Os would initially cheer our incarceration or worse, but in time their color, thoughts, religion, or general lack of conformity will also ensnare them.
#72. To: Peppa (#71)
#73. To: Arator (#50)
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#73)
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He'd make the wunder ticket.
#75. To: Arator, jethro tull, rickyj (#0)
Three Cheers for Barak Obama! Hurrah! Hurrah! Hurrah
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#76. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
After two months of this argument I'm convinced the idolization of this man is cult-like.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#77. To: Christine, All (#68)
#78. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
Peace Piss on Obama and all the statist whores like him.
#79. To: Phant2000 (#77)
#80. To: Arator (#0)
#81. To: Arator (#0)
Such disagreements shouldn't split this good forum. What unites us is far greater than what divides us, right?
#82. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
After two months of this argument I'm convinced the idolization of this man is cult-like. No insult to their independence or freedom matters. It's pure Marshall Applegate.
#83. To: FOH (#81)
I don't believe a sincere supporter of the Ron Paul 'revolution' understood what they were supporting if they are capable of playing this stupid game.
#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#48)
He did bang Marilyn, didn't he? That's no small thing in my book.
#85. To: IndieTX (#76)
And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.
#86. To: Fred Mertz (#83)
Go screw yourself.
#87. To: Arator (#0)
Tactical differences should not divide freedom-lovers.
#88. To: christine (#6)
#89. To: Old Fud (#78)
There is every reason to believe that Barry will end the war and restore the Constitutiion... well, not *every* reason, but he sez... and ya know, when a bright fella like Barry sez... well not quite, but... Barry does it in that smokey, authoritative voice... well it's plain that despite his being against everything I'm for, I'm down with Barry.
#90. To: FOH (#89)
Very instructive how "Progressive" so much of the base of 4um actually is/was...
#91. To: FOH (#81)
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#92. To: X-15 (#87)
Obama will be another Robert Mugabe
#93. To: FOH (#81)
...I don't believe a sincere supporter of the Ron Paul 'revolution' understood what they were supporting if they are capable of playing this stupid game.
#94. To: Critter (#88)
#95. To: Arator (#91)
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I like Chuck Balwin, but can he keep America from getting utterly ass-raped by criminal corporations and/or nuked under a nutjob President McCain?
#96. To: Phant2000 (#77)
#97. To: FOH (#95)
#98. To: Phant2000 (#77)
You think we have a two party system in this republic? Hell no, just look at our choices. All three will take us down the same path, at breakneck speed, and in response to their masters' bidding, to either dictatorship or WWIII.
#99. To: christine (#94)
#100. To: Jethro Tull (#97)
We gotta keep that devil down in the hole.
#101. To: Arator (#0)
#102. To: IndieTX (#76)
And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.
#103. To: Arator (#0)
One crime family down, one to go.
#104. To: FOH (#98)
#105. To: Critter (#90)
It blows my mind that we had so many Marxists hiding here.
#106. To: Red Jones (#101)
Obama has at least made some anti- war sounds...
#107. To: Jethro Tull (#102)
if the new Boss tries to remove additional freedoms from me, I'll react accordingly.
#108. To: Critter (#104)
So the assholes bought GWB's lies and now they are buying Obama's lies.
#109. To: Arator (#0)
#110. To: Old Fud (#105)
I thought they hated Jr. for reasons from the right.
#111. To: X-15 (#108)
I won't call anybody who contemplates voting for Hussein Obama an asshole
#112. To: Critter (#104)
So the assholes bought GWB's lies and now they are buying Obama's lies.
#113. To: Critter (#106)
Wise choice in not buying Obama's lies
#114. To: IndieTX, christine (#76)
And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.
#115. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Pissed Off Janitor (#42)
Israel as our #1 ally in the ME is the current baseline. It's a statement of fact not a forward-looking statement.
#116. To: Critter (#104)
Ron Paul is fond of quoting GWB's campaign promises when he ran in 2000, and reminding us that he ran on a HUMBLE foreign policy, NO nation building, and NOT being the policeman of the world.
#117. To: Red Jones (#101)
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Here's my latest thought that to me is key on Obama. He supports the ethanol subsidies and he supports their expansion as well. The ethanol subsidies are nothing but evil. Richard posted a story about them just a couple of days ago. The ethanol subsidies are going to kill tens of millions of people and that is obvious to anyone who looks carefully at them. As obama supports them, I don't see how I can vote for him.
#118. To: Phant2000 (#85)
And the CULT is taking over the 4UM. Limiting bozos isn't going to save it.
#119. To: Critter (#99)
In the background, he'd always play a parody of a hospital pa system announcement, "Dr. Camerada, please report to surgery, people are puking..."
#120. To: Arator (#117)
#121. To: Arator (#117)
#122. To: Critter (#111)
I won't call anybody who contemplates voting for Hussein Obama an asshole
#123. To: FOH (#114)
#124. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#121)
I believe McCain didn't like the ethanol subsidy. He said it while in Iowa.
#125. To: Arator (#117)
I support Obama because he and his party are slightly more sane than McCain and the GOP.
#126. To: FOH (#122)
#127. To: FOH (#122)
#128. To: X-15 (#108)
I genuinely feel sorry for them because Freedom4um has failed
#129. To: Arator (#117)
I support Obama because he and his party are slightly more sane than McCain and the GOP.
#130. To: christine (#123)
thank you, FOH. ;)
#131. To: christine (#96)
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#132. To: X-15, Christine (#129)
I vehemently disagree, Hussein Obama and the Dems who control that party have PROMISED
#133. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#126)
I think you are a great debater. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
#134. To: X-15 (#129)
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I vehemently disagree, Hussein Obama and the Dems who control that party have PROMISED to destroy the Second Amendment. Dismantling any portion of the Bill of Rights is absolute insanity.
#135. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#132)
Your a closet bushbot, yes?
#136. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#132)
Your a closet bushbot, yes?
#137. To: Arator (#134)
. I don't think the national Dem party is gonna attempt to impose an urban ethos on rural America ever again. They know it is political suicide. They have wised up
#138. To: FOH (#133)
#139. To: Arator (#134)
In the last election, the Dems got smart and ran pro-2nd amendment candidates in red states...and they won. I don't think the national Dem party is gonna attempt to impose an urban ethos on rural America ever again. They know it is political suicide. They have wised up (while the GOP has dramatically dumbed down).
#140. To: Peppa (#137)
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle!
#141. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#138)
Contents
Preamble
I. Bourgeois and Proletarians
II. Proletarians and Communists
10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto
III. Socialist and Communist Literature
IV. Position of the Communists in Relation to the Various Existing Opposition Parties
#142. To: X-15 (#139)
"Obama's Web site says: "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law- abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting" (emphasis ours).
#143. To: X-15, Peppa (#140)
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle!
#144. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)
#145. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#8)
#146. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)
Did you even READ what I wrote before replying to it? Did you THINK about about what I wrote? Have you MEDITATED and ANALYZED the deep wisdom emanating from my writing.
#147. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#22)
It would be interesting to count how many of the current Obamophobes continue to be Bushbots at heart.
#148. To: FOH, buckeye (#146)
#149. To: FOH (#147)
#150. To: TwentyTwelve (#32)
Obama, Clinton, and McCain are all part of the same agenda.
#151. To: X-15, buckeye (#148)
Buckeye was very polite to wait 57 seconds to call BS ;-)
#152. To: X-15 (#149)
With all the mexicons using Bush's throat for prison-style target practice it'll take a large pretzel to close up that gaping hole...
#153. To: Arator (#0)
"Others (like me), find Obama to be an acceptable instrument for unleashing destructive wrath on the contemptable GOP (and their ranks of McCainiacal neo-con apocolypse-lusters)."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#154. To: Arator (#34)
Great observation. I agree. Obama's upside potential is HUGE. He may prove to be just another puppet, but it wouldn't surprise me if, like Pinnochio, this puppet turned into a real live boy. ;^)
#155. To: buckeye (#38)
Iraq is done. He's pro-war in Iran and Pakistan.
#156. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#40)
You think someone who considers Israel our #1 ME priority and Iran one of the greatest threats to world peace is going to stop the slaughter?
#157. To: X-15 (#140)
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Spin cycle! Spin cycle + Koolaid = one fucked up voter
#158. To: FOH (#141)
According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]).
#159. To: Fred Mertz (#73)
"I call him James Webb. He'd make the wunder ticket."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#160. To: aristeides (#44)
Personally, as a retired military officer, I want the Army and the Marines expanded. They are presently overstretched.
#161. To: buckeye (#38)
Instead, he has nominated a major Rockefeller intellectual toady, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to his staff.
#162. To: Peppa (#158)
According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]).
#163. To: Arator (#34)
"Obama's upside potential is HUGE."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#164. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
Obama is an original cosponsor of the legislation, which would strengthen the federal government's ability to assist local authorities in the investigation and prosecution of crimes motivated by hate and which would provide additional funds to states to develop hate crime prevention programs. The Act would have also expanded the definition of a hate crime to include those crimes perpetrated because of sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability. The amendment originally passed the Senate in September.
#165. To: Peppa (#161)
#166. To: FOH (#162)
#167. To: Peppa (#161)
#168. To: FOH (#167)
#169. To: Mudboy Slim (#163)
Sure, like Senator Clinton, Senator Obama can look forward to lengthy terms in the Senate.
#170. To: Arator (#0)
"He's done what no one expected or thought possible - he's driven a stake through the heart of the Clinton machine."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#171. To: FOH (#162)
we're not dealing with intellectually honest people here.
#172. To: TwentyTwelve (#165)
Webster Tarpley:Zbignew Brzienzki leading Obama campaign
#173. To: Mudboy Slim (#163)
"Neither will EVER be POTUS...MUD"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#174. To: Peppa (#171)
Agreed.
#175. To: TwentyTwelve (#165)
#176. To: FOH (#172)
#177. To: FOH (#167)
Evil, evil, evil...
#178. To: TwentyTwelve (#168)
From DeepBlackLies
#179. To: FOH (#174)
They certainly will give it a few good runs at baffling you with bull, though...
#180. To: TwentyTwelve (#176)
The Trilateral Commission
#181. To: Peppa (#179)
Their problem though, as was with Freepers, is the cultish behaviour and the browbeating.
#182. To: Peppa, TwentyTwelve (#175)
I have listened to all 3. They are critical for all to hear. Perfect to post now!
#183. To: TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull (#165)
#184. To: FOH (#181)
I say just keep beating the lying shills over the head repeatedly anyway...;)
#185. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
Meet the new Rockefeller puppet, same as the old one.
#186. To: FOH (#182)
#187. To: Peppa (#184)
I think some people are dug in no matter.
#188. To: FOH (#187)
There are people reading that will never post here, but they come for knowledge and news...
#189. To: Peppa, *North American Union*, *Chuck Baldwin President 2008*, *Constitution Party* (#186)
I can not express strongly enough that each should be listened to completely.
#190. To: christine (#183)
great..i didn't know these were tubed!
#191. To: FOH (#187)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#192. To: Arator (#0)
#193. To: FOH (#160)
How about under stretch the Army and Marines, bring them ALL home from the various empire bases AND oppose the OWM's wars ?
#194. To: FOH (#182)
You're both tremendous assets for all freedom lovers in America
#195. To: Peppa (#188)
I hope they read it all, and accept or reject as they choose.
#196. To: Ferret Mike (#191)
#197. To: FOH (#195)
A lot of people sincerely want the baseline truth, while others try to manipulate them with lies.
#198. To: christine (#193)
(Edited)
How about under stretch the Army and Marines, bring them ALL home from the various empire bases AND oppose the OWM's wars ?
#199. To: Ferret Mike, Arator (#173)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#200. To: Kamala, Arator (#0)
#201. To: Peppa (#197)
NEVER allow them to take you into custody, don't get on the buses/trains and FCOL NEVER TRUST an Establishment shill...
#202. To: Mudboy Slim (#199)
#203. To: FOH (#196)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#204. To: Ferret Mike (#203)
#205. To: FOH (#202)
(Edited)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#206. To: Ferret Mike (#170)
(Edited)
Good to see you too.
#207. To: Ferret Mike (#205)
#208. To: FOH (#207)
(Edited)
"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#209. To: FOH (#207)
(Edited)
When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rWhen did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?
#210. To: Jethro Tull (#102)
1. this selection is out of our hands.2.THE NEXT potus ident we get will be even worse than Bush. 3. I'll do my best to continue my life as I always have, however, if the new Boss tries to remove additional freedoms from me, I'll react accordingly. 4. It's time.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#211. To: Ferret Mike (#208)
"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"
#212. To: Arator (#209)
#213. To: FOH (#211)
(Edited)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#214. To: Ferret Mike (#213)
"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"
#215. To: FOH (#211)
Come on ya big RAT-COMMIE loving pu**y
#216. To: ... (#215)
#217. To: FOH (#214)
BARACK-BARACK-BARACK...what, are you afraid to answer the simple question ?
#218. To: Arator, FOH, jethro tull, christine (#206)
My hick cousins (who live in small town central Kansas) think Obama is a crypto- Muslim al Qaeda member (they're everywhere! they're everywhere!) because he has a funny name that sounds like Osama. They also believe that all Muslims are inherantly evil and, therefore, can be slaughtered with impunity. So, one added advantage to electing Obama president is that it will totally freak them (and all freaks like them) out! LOL.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#219. To: ... (#217)
I don't think he's afraid, I suspect he just doesn't want to stoop to your level.
#220. To: FOH (#216)
Good seeing you ! How's the life partner ?
#221. To: FOH (#219)
Everyone here knows why you fairies pull this crap...
#222. To: IndieTX (#218)
Committing rhetorical self-immolation by helping elect this clown to "get back" at the GOP or your relatives is no answer. Never has been. Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son. The Establishment has got you brainwashed but good since you're voting for an Establishment clown as a "protest?" Sheesh.
#223. To: FOH (#212)
Just let your Communist buddy answer the question, then we'll deal with YOU...
#224. To: FOH (#219)
#225. To: ... (#217)
"I don't think he's afraid, I suspect he just doesn't want to stoop to your level."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#226. To: Arator (#223)
My "communist buddy" served in U.S. Special Forces and fought to defend this country (only to discover that its most fearsome enemies were the ones at the top of the chain of command giving the orders).
#227. To: FOH (#204)
#228. To: Ferret Mike (#225)
"When did it first occur to you that Marxist income redistribution, stealing the rewards from one to give to another, was a good idea ?"
#229. To: FOH (#226)
(Edited)
Your special friend is sucking hard for an Establishment Liberal Marxist...hardly friends of America are you two clowns.
#230. To: ... (#227)
#231. To: FOH (#228)
Maybe if I ask you enough, you'll cease being a blow hard chickensh*t and answer the question.
#232. To: FOH (#230)
You always come running to his defense like a little b!tch...spasmodically posting like you're nobody or something.
#233. To: FOH (#228)
#234. To: Arator (#223)
"My "communist buddy" served in U.S. Special Forces and fought to defend this country (only to discover that its most fearsome enemies were the ones at the top of the chain of command giving the orders)."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#235. To: IndieTX (#218)
(Edited)
Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.
#236. To: Ferret Mike (#234)
I resent what the criminals in power have done to the U.S. Armed Forces and this country. If I knew at the start of my return to the U.S. Army from the National Guard Special Forces component I was in what actually controls and uses the U.S. Armed Forces, I never would of gone back in.
#237. To: FOH (#230)
(Edited)
#238. To: ... (#231)
(Edited)
"I don't think he should answer it until you can prove you can act like an adult."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#239. To: Ferret Mike, FOH (#238)
#240. To: ..., Ferret Mike (#239)
What irks me is that he made the mods life miserable for three days crying about his bozo count.
#241. To: FOH (#240)
Wasn't me complaining. I was celebrating being almost universally filtered by you Ophiles.
#242. To: FOH (#240)
(Edited)
I take pride in having all you chickensh*t Establishment-Marxist-World Orderist supporters dodge simple questions and then bozo me...
#243. To: ..., Jethro Tull, christine (#241)
Wasn't me complaining. I was celebrating being almost universally filtered by you Ophiles.
#244. To: FOH (#243)
(Edited)
#245. To: X-15 (#108)
I won't call anybody who contemplates voting for Hussein Obama an asshole
#246. To: FOH (#240)
"Wasn't me complaining. I was celebrating being almost universally filtered by you Ophiles."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#247. To: Ferret Mike (#246)
(Edited)
#248. To: ..., FOH (#247)
#249. To: ... (#247)
(Edited)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#250. To: Original_Intent (#248)
Did you want to be a Professional Troll when you were growing up?
#251. To: aristeides (#35)
Because, like JFK, Obama belongs to a previously discriminated-against group, he has the potential of thinking beyond what the puppetmasters want.
#252. To: Ferret Mike (#249)
#253. To: christine (#200)
#254. To: FOH (#145)
I'll add that I believe you said you were 'kicked out of' a Marxist nation...
#255. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#254)
#256. To: ... (#252)
I met some guys who are in a Druidic order the other night. Husband and such of the woman who just graduated. One thing they do really well is make mead. I guess its one of the things the order does. We went out the following night and drank some raspberry mead that they made. Really good stuff. Sounds like its easy to make, but that could be deceptive. Going to buy the wine making equipment and try to whip up five gallons. Sounds like its easier to make than decent wine.
#257. To: Old Friend (#256)
Druidic order
#258. To: Jethro Tull, Christine (#255)
Vast. What exactly is Obama's plan for the war on terror?
#259. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#258)
#260. To: Arator (#34)
Great observation. I agree. Obama's upside potential is HUGE. He may prove to be just another puppet, but it wouldn't surprise me if, like Pinnochio, this puppet turned into a real live boy. ;^)
Lord Acton
#261. To: IndieTX, Arator (#218)
Committing rhetorical self-immolation by helping elect this clown to "get back" at the GOP or your relatives is no answer. Never has been. Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son. The Establishment has got you brainwashed but good since you're voting for an Establishment clown as a "protest?" Sheesh.
Lord Acton
#262. To: James Deffenbach (#261)
"How anyone could justify voting for any of the three commies--Obama, McCain, Clinton--is beyond me."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#263. To: Old Friend (#256)
"Is it true that those druids and wiccans have orgies and weird sex? That they sacrifice babies and drip the blood over everyone in the orgy?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#264. To: ..., F.O.H., ferret mike (#247)
F.O.H.
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#265. To: Old Friend (#256)
Is it true that those druids and wiccans have orgies and weird sex? That they sacrifice babies and drip the blood over everyone in the orgy?
#266. To: aristeides (#35)
#267. To: Mudboy Slim, foh (#264)
--
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#268. To: Jethro Tull (#255)
#269. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
After two months of this argument I'm convinced the idolization of this man is cult-like.
#270. To: ghostdogtxn (#268)
(Edited)
Wow. The "war on terror" used, without apparent irony, right here on f4.
Obama: War on terror being fought 'on the wrong battlefield"
#271. To: RickyJ (#269)
#272. To: Jethro Tull (#270)
#273. To: Jethro Tull (#271)
#274. To: Jethro Tull (#271)
(Edited)
If Obama were white, his support here would be ZERO.
#275. To: ghostdogtxn (#273)
If Obama were white, his criticism here would be ZERO
#276. To: Jethro Tull (#275)
#277. To: ghostdogtxn (#272)
So a presidential candidate uses this hackneyed propaganda bullshit phrase and that makes it okay for YOU to use it?
#278. To: Jethro Tull (#275)
#279. To: ghostdogtxn (#276)
All these years I thought you were an extremely reasonable person. I guess the campaign of Barack Obama found your blind spot and pitched a tent on it.
#280. To: ghostdogtxn (#276)
eyeing little girls with bad intent.
Snot running down his nose
greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes.
Drying in the cold sun
Watching as the frilly panties run.
Feeling like a dead duck
spitting out pieces of his broken luck.
an old man wandering lonely.
Taking time
the only way he knows.
Leg hurting bad,
as he bends to pick a dog-end
he goes down to the bog
and warms his feet.
the army's up the rode
salvation à la mode and
a cup of tea.
Aqualung my friend
don't start away uneasy
you poor old sod, you see, it's only me.
Do you still remember
December's foggy freeze
when the ice that
clings on to your beard is
screaming agony.
And you snatch your rattling last breaths
with deep-sea-diver sounds,
and the flowers bloom like
madness in the spring.
#281. To: Jethro Tull (#277)
#282. To: Jethro Tull (#279)
#283. To: ghostdogtxn (#278)
Ya think a white guy who makes editor of the Harvard Law Review doesn't have a shot at the US Senate?
#284. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#280)
#285. To: Jethro Tull (#283)
#286. To: ghostdogtxn (#284)
Hippie freak.
#287. To: ghostdogtxn (#282)
#288. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#286)
#289. To: ghostdogtxn (#285)
More Obama WOT stuff....... http://www.cfr.org/bios/11603/barack_obama.html#4
Campaign Issues
Obama has said he would "significantly increase" funding for the National Endowment for Democracy "and other nongovernmental organizations to support civic activists in repressive societies." He also said he plans to start a "Rapid Response Fund for young democracies and post-conflict societies that will provide foreign aid, debt relief, technical assistance and investment packages that show the people of newly hopeful countries that democracy and peace deliver, and the United States stands by them."
Obama cosponsored the Palestinian Anti- Terrorism Act of 2006 and, like most of his fellow candidates, has called on the Palestinian leadership to 60;recognize Israel, to renounce violence, and to get serious about negotiating peace and security for the region.61;
If elected, Obama says he would 60;insist on fully funding military assistance to Israel61; (JPost) and continue to cooperate with Israel on the development of the Arrow missile defense system.
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama introduced the Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006. That act, which was incorporated into the Department of State Authorities Act of 2006 and signed into law, allows for the destruction of surplus and unsecured weapons, which Obama said 60;make attractive targets for terrorists.61;
for a healthy, sustainable environment with economic growth."
#290. To: Jethro Tull (#287)
#291. To: ghostdogtxn (#290)
LOL. You are SO twisting in the wind right now.
#292. To: Jethro Tull (#289)
Sen. Obama (D-IL) says Guantanamo should be closed and habeas corpus (AP) should be restored for the detainees. He says the United States should have 60;developed a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused.61
#293. To: Jethro Tull (#291)
#294. To: ghostdogtxn (#290)
do your soft shoe shuffle dance.
Brush away the cigarette ash that's
falling down your pants.
And you sadly wonder
does the nurse treat your old man
the way she should.
She made you tea,
asked for your autograph
what a laugh.
#295. To: ghostdogtxn (#293)
#296. To: Jethro Tull (#295)
#297. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, aristeides, ..., angle, Lodwick, all... (#294)
#298. To: ghostdogtxn (#296)
That's hitting below the belt
#299. To: Jethro Tull (#298)
#300. To: ghostdogtxn (#297)
Go ahead, chief, by all means make your case.
#301. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#300)
#302. To: Jethro Tull (#271)
(Edited)
If Obama were white, his support here would be ZERO
#303. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#302)
Since we have some McCain supporters here too
#304. To: ghostdogtxn (#299)
#305. To: Jethro Tull (#304)
#306. To: Old Friend (#256)
s it true that those druids and wiccans have orgies and weird sex? That they sacrifice babies and drip the blood over everyone in the orgy?
#307. To: Mudboy Slim (#262)
When is the last time you voted for a WINNER in a Presidential election, James?
Lord Acton
#308. To: ghostdogtxn, the thread (#299)
One thing I noticed about all these picturesque Wisconsin small towns was how CLEAN they all were. Like postcard clean, amazingly clean. I've been lots and lots of places around the US and I never saw anything like it anywhere else.
#309. To: Mudboy Slim (#262)
(Edited)
#310. To: James Deffenbach (#307)
A very, very long time ago. And if I had it to do over I would have written someone in rather than voting for that "winner."
#311. To: lodwick (#310)
#312. To: Jethro Tull. the thread (#311)
#313. To: lodwick (#310)
The Dick?
Lord Acton
#314. To: James Deffenbach (#313)
Didn't much care for the guy and have never voted for any establishment clown since then.
#315. To: lodwick (#314)
Like many of us here, I'll cop to pulling the lever for smirk '00.
Lord Acton
#316. To: James Deffenbach (#315)
...but there are probably 15 or 20% of the people who would give that cs another term. And that is sad.
#317. To: ... (#306)
which erects a wall between fundie Christian lunacy the state
#318. To: Old Friend (#317)
(Edited)
The first amendment does no such thing.
#319. To: ... (#318)
#320. To: Old Friend (#319)
It says Congress not states. It says congress also can't prohibit free exercise of it.
#321. To: ... (#320)
#322. To: Old Friend (#321)
(Edited)
Marberry vs Madison was a power grab. The supreme court can't give themselves power legitimately.
#323. To: ... (#322)
And again, your hatred and disrespect for our American system doesn't negate the fact that this is the law of the land.
#324. To: lodwick (#316)
Jesus told us that the poor would be with us alway, I just wish that he'd spelled out more clearly the rapture monkey/ziocon/nutters in more detail for us. Clearly (to me) these people are not of the Lord, or His calling.
Lord Acton
#325. To: James Deffenbach (#324)
Human nature being what it is, some of them are in it for the money. But you can be sure that God knows who his messengers are and who are not and will deal with them accordingly.
#326. To: Old Friend (#317)
I wouldn't want any church to run the government. To many churches get to many things wrong. Besides you can't and shouldn't force Jesus on anyone. You should tell people but you can't force them to accept the truth.
Lord Acton
#327. To: lodwick (#325)
The last thing that we were told was to go and preach, not to go and kill.
Lord Acton
#328. To: Mudboy Slim (#264)
F.O.H.
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