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Title: I’m beginning to think McCain will be less dangerous to my freedom than Obama
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Published: May 8, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-08 07:57:19 by Jethro Tull
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As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama. Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone. On the domestic front, both are awful, but Obama is much worse on guns. His dalliance with Black Theology is equally bad news. One look at the over animated Jeremiah Wright should be enough to convince white America that an influence like him will bring us additional layers of affirmative action, political correctness and slavery reparations. And did I mention Michelle Obama? She reeks of nasty and racism. The only plus Obama would bring is a potential white backlash, which is long over due. There's lots more, but this is a starting point. Let the discussion begin.
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#138. To: buckeye (#136)
I hold no one on this site responsible for the outcome.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Until paraquat. Damn, even Jimmy Carter is evil.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
what i'm saying is that i think that the majority of 4umers would be in agreement and supportive of Obama if he had Paul's politics/ideologies and the same holds true if Paul were black. i don't think, then, the race card would have been played on either side. of course, JT is correct. were this the case, as far as MSM, both candidates would be a non-entity.
Now you're talking like a 68er. Those who side with the Establishment enable it. It's our obligation to provide a sound alternative, or at least sound criticism.
Spot-on!!!
"There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the white community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the white community first and foremost."<-- I bastardized Michelle Obama's quote ;-)
No, seriously, it's just not my cross to bear. The "Right" had their chance and blew it, I am not gonna vote for McCain.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
That's the impression I got too. I've listened to a number of speeches, or intro's, on YT, and at times it's her words, at times it's her tone, and I suspect that might depend on the audience to which she is addressing.. but she is one angry lady. When the waters started getting rough for Obama, I remember a morning interview show captured that boil and I thought damn sam, we got us another Hillary! ;) On Michelle's thesis... fyi:
If I can't find it on YouTube it dit'n really happen, right?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
On Michelle's thesis... fyi: www.politico.co m/news/stories/0208/8642_Page2.html Thank you Peppa.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Had never seen that one!!! Alrighty then.. a 'tube' theme eh??????????????????
ymw!
Jethro Tull showed every bit as much weakness as the Obama supporters for suggesting he might be a little better. The only "better" candidate was Ron Paul, and he sent out a Trotsky letter.
I still see this as an overused cheap shot. Can we now talk about why he should've run 3rd party, started a new 9/11 investigation, why he can't win ? That's where the weak and frauds resided. I have no problem with what Jethro said. At least he provides some reasoning. The ophiles never explained why they spun a 180 from RP to the Otrain. So as long as we are trying to apply a standard, let's decide where the bar is and apply it to all.
Ron Paul disappointed me because he said he would campaign to the end if he got support. I figured that when someone like McCain got the nomination so many Americans would be disillusioned that they would look for an answer and Ron Paul would be there. It's not a cheap shot to be frustrated about his lack of energy and commitment to the race, despite numerous speeches to the contrary. But this past decade has been one political disappointment after another, nothing new about that. To prefer one of these puppets is to let the Establishment have one foot in the door.
I hate him, but either he or O will win. As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible. Since our State Dept runs our foreign policy, he and Obummer are a basic wash, ergo, McKook might give me more personal freedom Then again, he might not. Whatever, as I said I'm not voting.
The GOP seems to have become a megachurch in and unto itself, short of pointy hats. Now there's a congregation got some fervor alright.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
"Nothing but Trouble" with Dan Aykroyd. Funny
What comes after another 12 years of that?
You are implying that the 3 assholes are alike in every way. That just isn't true. They are not exactly alike. No human beings are. So naturally we will all have varying degrees of like and dislike for the 3. Yeah Ron Paul is better in our opinion. But if you are honest with yourself I bet you dislike some more that others.
From my email May 6, 2008 Ron Paul will be bringing his message of freedom, peace, and prosperity to Kentucky on May 16th and 17th for two Freedom Rallies! This is your chance to come and personally meet Dr. Paul, as well as to have him sign your copy of his latest book, The Revolution: A Manifesto. The first rally will be taking place on May 16 at the Bowling Green High School Basketball Arena at 1801 Rockingham Lane, Bowling Green, KY 42104. The rally starts at 2:00 pm CT. On Saturday, May 17th, Dr. Paul will be holding a Freedom Rally at the Louisville Palace, located at 625 S. Fourth St., Louisville KY 40202. The rally will start at 1:00 pm ET, and last until 4:00 pm. Come hear Dr. Paul as he lays out clear solutions to the challenges our country is facing, and be sure to bring any friends or family members that may not be familiar with his message. Dr. Paul's Freedom Rallies typically attract several hundred people, so get there early! We look forward to seeing you there. Jeff Frazee National Youth Coordinator Ron Paul 2008 Presidential Campaign Committee
I think I like Obama better than the others, but it would be a cold day in hell before I would vote for him. It's really just because his allegiance to Israel is a little shakier than the others that I can even concede that.
No doubt he asked for more money.
nope, I posted the entire email minus my name.
And he's still in it, and getting support. The Trotsky reference, is the part that the frauds used to ditch and run to Obama. That's the part others used to say Paul took a dive. Buck, if you support RP, then stay with it. If you know in your heart that he is the only good candidate, then no harm comes from supporting good. Clean conscience and all of that. McCain was brought back from the dead, to shove down the pubs throat. Most are just as dissapointed at this obvious slap. Looking at the donations pub v dem.. or elite 1 and elite 2, the pubs will be slaughtered at the polls. It was planned this way, and the race baiting is intended to bring about more division. Ron Paul himself said his candidacy was not something he sought, which personally, I admire. That enough people convinced him to run, has brought many closer to what our country used to stand for, and I do not see that as something to hang our head over. That his is the benchmark we hold the others to, is the strength, we may never had known, had he decided he wanted this for him, rather than for all of us. The dissapointment lies in our inability to break the partisan chains, and the self flagellating that some rather we wallow in. I refuse to fall victim to it. Look how much better we have become at focusing on the important details of character, integrity, intelligence, and rational thought. I see no shame in that, rather, strength... To prefer one of these puppets is to let the Establishment have one foot in the door. If not for Paul, we wouldn't even have been inside the door. Look what has been borne through RP's candidacy! A CP candidate, a Libertarian candidate.. A rebirth of 3rd party possibilities. That's where hope and change can come from. Considering most of us are reviled by both parties anyway, what's the harm in slogging it through? The chances we will still be dissapointed are high. The certainty of it was ensured. RNC is running scared and looking to change the rules by September. That tells me, the people are making more noise than perhaps we will ever know. There's no 30 min fix, but if it's okay with you, I'll still watch for the Hail Mary play. Deluded perhaps. Hopeful, why not?
Thank you, Pep. Believe it or not, this was helpful.
think I like Obama better than the others, but it would be a cold day in hell before I would vote for him Well Buck, there you go. One standard for someone else with a preference, and one for yourself? And you both are pretty much saying the same thing. I prefer x, but would never vote for him. Nothing wrong with that, afa i'm concerned, except JT provided his reasons. FWIW
What comes after another 12 years of that? More of the same would be fine with me. Now there's a vote right there, see.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Revolution, I pray.
Mize well do the HOkey Pokey then.. Everybody........... ;)
What would you want to come out of a revolution?
That song always makes me think of leprosy wards...
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Want to have a face off in the corner? ;)
How did we resort you slapstick humor so quickly?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
So did I. Both are actually hollow, since FEMA will neutralize any worthless McCain promises, implemented with private mercenaries.
I've been out wallowing in white guilt. Met a bunch of rich white liberals down at the NPR office. We sat in a circle and held hands and talked about our guilt issues. There was a sage scented candle burning in the middle of the circle. Afterwards we nibbled on scones and drank expensive imported coffee. They made the coffee in a French coffee press instead of a coffee pot. Everyone was wearing Tevas and hiking shorts. So what's been happening here?
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the whole sale slaughter of the elite, the sacking of Washington and the establishment of a limited government in the form of 1776.
Would slavery be legal?
LOL!! It's an affliction I guess.. hehehehe
I would like to see the old Athenian republic restored.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
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#139. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#137)
And pot's much easier on the lungs than Agent Orange.
#140. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#134)
#141. To: Dakmar (#138)
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I hold no one on this site responsible for the outcome.
#142. To: christine (#140)
what i'm saying is that i think that the majority of 4umers would be in agreement and supportive of Obama if he had Paul's politics/ideologies and the same holds true if Paul were black. i don't think, then, the race card would have been played on either side.
#143. To: buckeye (#141)
Now you're talking like a 68er.
#144. To: Dakmar, vote STEVENS! (#143)
#145. To: James Deffenbach (#120)
It's not just him either. That harpy/shrew he is married to hates whitey with a passion.
#146. To: Fill my internet tubes (#144)
#147. To: Jethro Tull (#144)
#148. To: Peppa (#145)
That's the impression I got too. I've listened to a number of speeches, or intro's, on YT, and at times it's her words, at times it's her tone, and I suspect that might depend on the audience to which she is addressing.. but she is one angry lady. When the waters started getting rough for Obama, I remember a morning interview show captured that boil and I thought damn sam, we got us another Hillary! ;)
Lord Acton
#149. To: Jethro Tull (#146)
THAT WAS GREAT!!
#150. To: James Deffenbach (#148)
Thank you Peppa.
#151. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#143)
I am not gonna vote for McCain.
#152. To: buckeye (#151)
and he sent out a Trotsky letter.
#153. To: Peppa (#152)
#154. To: buckeye (#151)
#155. To: buckeye (#153)
I figured that when someone like McCain got the nomination so many Americans would be disillusioned that they would look for an answer
#156. To: Dakmar (#155)
#157. To: Jethro Tull (#154)
As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible.
#158. To: buckeye (#151)
Jethro Tull showed every bit as much weakness as the Obama supporters for suggesting he might be a little better. The only "better" candidate was Ron Paul, and he sent out a Trotsky letter.
#159. To: buckeye (#153)
#160. To: Old Friend (#158)
#161. To: Old Friend (#159)
#162. To: buckeye (#161)
#163. To: buckeye (#153)
Ron Paul disappointed me because he said he would campaign to the end if he got support. I figured that when someone like McCain got the nomination so many Americans would be disillusioned that they would look for an answer and Ron Paul would be there. It's not a cheap shot to be frustrated about his lack of energy and commitment to the race, despite numerous speeches to the contrary. But this past decade has been one political disappointment after another, nothing new about that.
#164. To: Peppa (#163)
#165. To: buckeye (#160)
To prefer one of these puppets is to let the Establishment have one foot in the door.
#166. To: buckeye (#157)
As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible.
#167. To: buckeye (#157)
#168. To: buckeye (#164)
Thank you, Pep. Believe it or not, this was helpful.
#169. To: Jethro Tull (#167)
#170. To: Peppa (#168)
Mize well do the HOkey Pokey then..
#171. To: Dakmar (#170)
That song always makes me think of leprosy wards...
#172. To: Peppa (#171)
#173. To: Peppa (#165)
...except JT provided his reasons. FWIW
#174. To: Dakmar (#172)
#175. To: Old Friend (#169)
#176. To: Jethro Tull (#175)
the establishment of a limited government in the form of 1776.
#177. To: Dakmar (#172)
How did we resort you slapstick humor so quickly?
#178. To: Jethro Tull (#175)
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