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Title: I’m beginning to think McCain will be less dangerous to my freedom than Obama
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Published: May 8, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-08 07:57:19 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 8157
Comments: 195

As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama.

Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone.

On the domestic front, both are awful, but Obama is much worse on guns. His dalliance with Black Theology is equally bad news. One look at the over animated Jeremiah Wright should be enough to convince white America that an influence like him will bring us additional layers of affirmative action, political correctness and slavery reparations. And did I mention Michelle Obama? She reeks of nasty and racism. The only plus Obama would bring is a potential white backlash, which is long over due.

There's lots more, but this is a starting point.

Let the discussion begin.

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#32. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama.

So, you're not just a purist non-voter? You're actually an active promoter of rapacious corporate criminality, freedom-extinguishing police-state thuggery and mass murder for fun and profit?

JT, you've gone over the bend, my friend. Have you had too many years of beating darkies down for the man in NYC to overcome your apparent auto-gag- reflex towards the prospect of a black president? I can't figure out any other reason why you could possibly support the continuation of the current criminal/fascist regime.

As for your "analysis", it's fantastical.

1) Obama has promised to get our troops out of Iraq within his first 16 months in office. This sets him apart from the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. He has taken heat from the warmongering media over this, but he has not backed away. Score 1 for Obama.

2) Under Obama, the war is less likely to expand. Unlike the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly, Obama has emphasized talking with rather than obliterating Iran. Score 1 for Obama (and humanity).

3) Obama has decried the police state fascism of the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. Under Obama, Gitmo (and the black site torture centers) are more likely to be closed, and fundamental rights restored. Score 1 for Obama.

These three reasons alone are enough to make Obama far superior to the fascist freakshow that is the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. But you want more of the same? I guess fascist tyranny is OK for you just so long as the darkies are kept down (along with everyone else) in the process.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-08   9:01:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Arator (#32)

1) Obama has promised to get our troops out of Iraq within his first 16 months in office. This sets him apart from the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. He has taken heat from the warmongering media over this, but he has not backed away. Score 1 for Obama.

2) Under Obama, the war is less likely to expand. Unlike the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly, Obama has emphasized talking with rather than obliterating Iran. Score 1 for Obama (and humanity).

3) Obama has decried the police state fascism of the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. Under Obama, Gitmo (and the black site torture centers) are more likely to be closed, and fundamental rights restored. Score 1 for Obama.

Arator, personal attack aside, your points above are based on promises and hope offered by a politician. You know better, but his race alone is the reason, IMO, that you have looked past his 9-11 beliefs, his promise of an expanded WOT against al CIAda, and his love of large central government (read socialism)

Shelby Steele might assuage your guilt, but then again, some of us are lost to the System.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   9:22:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

Arator, personal attack aside, your points above are based on promises and hope offered by a politician.

Ah, the audacity of hope. ;^) McCain, on the other hand, promises globe-wide conflagration, which is no hope at all. When faced with such a choice, I'll choose hope everytime.

You know better, but his race alone is the reason, IMO, that you have looked past his 9-11 beliefs, his promise of an expanded WOT against al CIAda, and his love of large central government (read socialism).

"Expanding the WOT against alCIAda" is really shrinking it, since it will be coupled with a massive withdrawal from Iraq. I suspect the former is only to provide Obama with political cover for the latter, and prevent the GOP jackboots from painting him as weak on "national security". It's a tactical manuever to facility a strategic withdrawal. That's a wise move, IMO.

As for love of central government, both parties share it. The difference is this: under McCain trillions stolen from taxpayers will end up accumulating offshore (ie. in the accounts of no-bid defense contractors HQ'd in Dubai), whereas under Obama they might actually get spent and earned by real flesh and blood Americans here in "the homeland." If we have to stomach big government either way, I prefer the kind that spends our tax money on Americans living in America, not overseas corporate pirates.

Obama's race has nothing to do with it. If a white Dem (like say, Jim Webb) were running with the same anti-war platform, I'd be supporting him as well. I think you would too. So, why not Obama?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-08   18:57:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Arator (#122)

Except you can't very well argue that Obama is anti-war. He's got Zbigniew Brzezinski on his team, and he's already said what he would do in Pakistan, Iran, and elsewhere to keep up the good work of the Zionists. He's been to AIPAC and oathed his fealty to the Jews.

He's just less aggressive about being pro-war than the others have been, more or less. But the audacity of hope is endless, I know.

Do you know anything at all about Brzezinski?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   19:02:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: ALL, Arator, Jethro Tull, angle, a vast rightwing conspirator (#123)

just coming late to this thread and have only read 1/3 so far. not feeling well and been sleeping. just want to throw this in the mix for discussion.

Ron Paul is black.

christine  posted on  2008-05-08   19:32:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: christine (#124)

Ron Paul is black.

This wouldn't bother me at all, but I don't understand why you make this assertion just now. Please explain?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   19:42:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: buckeye (#126)

what i'm asserting is that it's not Obama's race/color for most (if not all) here, but his leftist radical politics and adherence to the Black Liberation Theology. switch Ron Paul and his politics for Obama and Obama and his politics for Ron Paul and i believe we'd all still be getting along here.

christine  posted on  2008-05-08   19:50:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: christine (#128)

Basically your lefty 68er friends just wanted to get high and dodge the draft. There are excellent, principled reasons for dodging the draft and making drugs legal, but those are the motivations here.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   19:51:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: buckeye (#129)

Basically your lefty 68er friends just wanted to get high and dodge the draft.

You say that as though it's not a good plan. Would getting drafted be better? Should I continue buying dope from the Mafiya?

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-08   19:55:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Dakmar (#131)

I thought I was clear enough.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   19:58:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: buckeye (#132)

I thought I was clear enough.

Good, because I'm at about 91% bullshit right now and wanted to make sure one of knew what we were talking about.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-08   20:05:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Dakmar (#135)

So is this presidential campaign.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   20:06:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: buckeye (#136)

So is this presidential campaign.

I hold no one on this site responsible for the outcome.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-08   20:13:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Dakmar (#138) (Edited)

I hold no one on this site responsible for the outcome.

Now you're talking like a 68er. Those who side with the Establishment enable it. It's our obligation to provide a sound alternative, or at least sound criticism.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   20:24:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: buckeye (#141)

Now you're talking like a 68er.

No, seriously, it's just not my cross to bear. The "Right" had their chance and blew it, I am not gonna vote for McCain.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-05-08   20:35:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#143)

I am not gonna vote for McCain.

Jethro Tull showed every bit as much weakness as the Obama supporters for suggesting he might be a little better. The only "better" candidate was Ron Paul, and he sent out a Trotsky letter.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   20:55:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: buckeye (#151)

I hate him, but either he or O will win.

As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible.

Since our State Dept runs our foreign policy, he and Obummer are a basic wash, ergo, McKook might give me more personal freedom

Then again, he might not.

Whatever, as I said I'm not voting.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   21:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Jethro Tull (#154)

As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible.

What comes after another 12 years of that?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-08   21:24:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: buckeye (#157)

Revolution, I pray.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   21:41:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Jethro Tull (#167)

What would you want to come out of a revolution?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-08   21:44:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Old Friend (#169)

the whole sale slaughter of the elite, the sacking of Washington and the establishment of a limited government in the form of 1776.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   21:54:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Jethro Tull (#175) (Edited)

I would like to see the old Athenian republic restored.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-08   21:56:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#187. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#178)

I'll see you the old Athenian republic and bump you Atlantis

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08 22:05:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#178)

I would like to see the old Athenian republic restored.

Bush would have Socrates and Plato in Gitmo post haste for spreading subversive dialogues!!

X-15  posted on  2008-05-08 22:17:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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