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Title: I’m beginning to think McCain will be less dangerous to my freedom than Obama
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Published: May 8, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-08 07:57:19 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 8489
Comments: 195

As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama.

Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone.

On the domestic front, both are awful, but Obama is much worse on guns. His dalliance with Black Theology is equally bad news. One look at the over animated Jeremiah Wright should be enough to convince white America that an influence like him will bring us additional layers of affirmative action, political correctness and slavery reparations. And did I mention Michelle Obama? She reeks of nasty and racism. The only plus Obama would bring is a potential white backlash, which is long over due.

There's lots more, but this is a starting point.

Let the discussion begin.

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#32. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama.

So, you're not just a purist non-voter? You're actually an active promoter of rapacious corporate criminality, freedom-extinguishing police-state thuggery and mass murder for fun and profit?

JT, you've gone over the bend, my friend. Have you had too many years of beating darkies down for the man in NYC to overcome your apparent auto-gag- reflex towards the prospect of a black president? I can't figure out any other reason why you could possibly support the continuation of the current criminal/fascist regime.

As for your "analysis", it's fantastical.

1) Obama has promised to get our troops out of Iraq within his first 16 months in office. This sets him apart from the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. He has taken heat from the warmongering media over this, but he has not backed away. Score 1 for Obama.

2) Under Obama, the war is less likely to expand. Unlike the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly, Obama has emphasized talking with rather than obliterating Iran. Score 1 for Obama (and humanity).

3) Obama has decried the police state fascism of the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. Under Obama, Gitmo (and the black site torture centers) are more likely to be closed, and fundamental rights restored. Score 1 for Obama.

These three reasons alone are enough to make Obama far superior to the fascist freakshow that is the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. But you want more of the same? I guess fascist tyranny is OK for you just so long as the darkies are kept down (along with everyone else) in the process.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-08   9:01:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Arator, Jethro Tull, peppa, cynicom, christine (#32)

...you're not just a purist non-voter?

You're actually an active promoter of rapacious corporate criminality, freedom-extinguishing police-state thuggery, and mass murder for fun and profit?

Looks that way.

angle  posted on  2008-05-08   9:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: angle (#33) (Edited)

I think he only wants to have an interesting debate on the merits of the 'lesser evil' theory.

1 - Some say that 'the three' are 'equally evil' and don't bother to go any further.
2 - Some would support one (usually Obama) because he is 'the lesser evil'.
3 - Others - and Ron Paul and me are some of the 'others' - state that Obama is marginally or significantly better than the other 2 and that he is not 'less evil' but 'better' than the other 2.

Those who belong to #2 should find this discussion interesting.

It is also worth noting that the #1 crowd refuse to admit even the existence of #3, claiming that #3 are in fact #2, which is consistent with their inability to see any difference between 'the three'.

To conclude: this is a good debate for the #2's but, I suspect, this is also an attempt to reinforce the false dogma that #2 = #3.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-08   9:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)

I think 3 does equal 2 inasmuch as the choice is made for us and this is merely a dog and pony show to distract the people from the reality that their "choice" is long over.

The promotion of McCain and the discussion is illuminating in that actions are revealing. JT's decision to post this thread reveals his mind. I was unaware of his true position up until now. Frankly, I feel somewhat taken aback and foolish.

angle  posted on  2008-05-08   9:26:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: angle (#37)

I would take it more like one of those 'Rush' challenges. I remember that, in the 20th century when I was tuning into his show from time to time, Rush would say something like: "I decided to become a Clinton supporter and join the Demo party" and then take listeners phone calls.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-08   9:28:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)

Ploy, challenge or otherwise...it's revealing in a disappointing way because this forum has been under seige for a while now and threads of this nature are like poking a resting dog for no good reason.

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