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Title: I’m beginning to think McCain will be less dangerous to my freedom than Obama
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Published: May 8, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-08 07:57:19 by Jethro Tull
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As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama. Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone. On the domestic front, both are awful, but Obama is much worse on guns. His dalliance with Black Theology is equally bad news. One look at the over animated Jeremiah Wright should be enough to convince white America that an influence like him will bring us additional layers of affirmative action, political correctness and slavery reparations. And did I mention Michelle Obama? She reeks of nasty and racism. The only plus Obama would bring is a potential white backlash, which is long over due. There's lots more, but this is a starting point. Let the discussion begin.
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#42. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, arator, ari (#40)
NEW YORK CITY, April 16 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Congressman and Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is challenging his fellow candidates' votes to authorize and fund the war in Iraq, and their positions on Iran. "Clinton, Edwards, and Obama share responsibility for wasting hundreds of billions of dollars in an unnecessary war. And the American tax payers on this day need to remember that," Kucinich charged. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards voted to authorize the war. Clinton and Barack Obama continue to vote to fund it. At a New Hampshire town meeting yesterday, someone asked Clinton about her vote to authorize the war, and asked if she had read the intelligence reports prior to her vote. Senator Clinton is reported to have said that if she had known then what she knows now, she never would have voted to give the President the authority to go to war. "If Senator Clinton and the others had done their job they would have known, and they would have voted correctly as I did,"declared Kucinich, who campaigned yesterday in New Hampshire and Connecticut and appeared live on CNN's night show from New York City. "I didn't just vote against the war, I shared an in depth analysis with Members of Congress that I wrote in October 2002, after reviewing intelligence reports," Kucinich said.
thats a very good point. I understand Obama recently sponsored legislation that would bring some positive changes in Guantanamo. But hasn't Obama voted for other police-state legislation? Patriot Act? Military Commissions Act? I mean if he voted agaisnt Military Commissions Act, then that would speak positively of him. But as the others say Obama speaks very enthusiastically about tracking down terrorists and expanding the Afghan war. he's not on our side. Here's another angle to look at Obama. He doesn't really have strong blood ties to our country. His mother was American. But his father was not. I know that Hilary & McCain are both disloyal to our country. But with Obama being weak on his blood ties to our country, that speaks negatively of him. When electing a president, we should not elect someone without the blood ties.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The more that
comes out about Obama, I have already decided he will be the worst of 3
evils and that he will usher in every totalitarian nightmare conceivable,
making Bush look like a school kid in perspective. I will vote, as I did
last time, for CP. But I will continue to say all possible to pursuade others
never to vote the marxist gun-hating, war on drugs continuing, world- taxing,
affirmative action loving, amnesty giving, reparation-loving, Farrakhan
hugging, give your money to the rest of the world, white-hating, black panther
forgiving, he'll close Gitmo but leave in place and expand other police state
legislation so people love him on one issue, married a racist bitch, amoral
Obama anywhere near the presidency. The man will be the worst thing that ever
happened to the USA and will only hasten our already under way demise. He
has not gotten to where he is for any reason other than his blackness. He used
the very system he claims to despise to rise to power. He is a lawyer. He is
the newer version of the Socialist jackboot. An Alan Keyes or a Dr. Walter
Williams (had they chosen to run as R's) would have received votes because of
their character, their leadership and their supreme intelligence. Obama can
not even shine their shoes. He is in every way..an empty suit. He is void of
character, leadership, honesty and IMO even intelligence. He's a smooth
talking "pretty boy"..the Tiger Woods of politics to most socialist whites
(Sorry Tiger).. He is eloquent to those with a high school degree or a
journalism degree. He doesn't impress the educated...at all. Just another
schmuk smooth-talking RICH lawyer seeking power for power's sake. When the
Socialist jackboot gets in power, people will be praying for Bush to come
back. And that says a lot. This man is a threat to the USA as much or more
than Bush is, and the possibility of his election should stoke fear in every
one who recognizes the freedoms we've lost under Bush and the ones we have yet
to lose, for which Obama has his sights set. Those on 4UM who defend him
either could care less about freedom and their presence on Freedom4um is
completely disingenuos, or they're simply ignorant and have fallen in love
with a photograph which is contorted to fit their own imaginations and hopes,
not reality. Actually, I thought people here had more intellectual "stuff." To
see them slobber over this socialist jackboot makes me as angry as seeing
Mexican flags being marched through LA. ("I will NOT abandon 20 million
illegal aliens!!"--Obama I will make my feelings known on this 4um, but I
will no longer respond to these people individually (so don't waste your time;
you'll be filtered or ignored). The New South Africa...coming soon to AmeriKa.
Let the reprisals begin.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Walter Williams is great but Keyes is just another Jackson only on the right. I don't trust his finacial dealings.
FUCK PEDRO BUSH!!!
When has McCain called for restoring habeas corpus? I don't believe Obama will restore jack. He's a politician, therefore he lies. It's what they do. Nevertheless you seem to believe what McCain says. Even though he has a long history of reversing his positions.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I take it that you support restoring the old Bozo filter system, then.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Looks that way. I don't see his position that way at all.. You really can't place anymore onus on his opinion that you can an Obama or Hillary voter. All 3 are the same, Obama much worse on the domestic side. If you are voting in self interest, you choose the one you think will do less damage. That is, IF you are voting. He says he is not... That's they way this is coming across to me. I have said before, if it were that McCain were somehow selected, would the 'democrats' get mad enough to put the pressure on their Congresspeople to stop the war? Dems have had a chance for two years to make it happen, and anytime they can shove more debt, laws and middleclass destruction down our throats. They have wasted their time on steroids in baseball, establishing special recognition for a wrestler, frittered over the lunch menu.... Little or no attention to the huge iceberg coming our way with entitlement spending, and returning war vets, and their care. They have done nothing to stop the outsourcing of jobs, or the flow of illegals.. All want to create as much damage as fast as possible. So, if McCain gets in, what would dems do? As I have read before, if you want an indication of what a person will behave in the future, look at how they have behaved in the past. Obama has a crappy record. Hillary spends her days thinking of being queen. I imagine how much hell she could raise if Obama became president. Anyway, do not take this an endorsement of McCain, but rather a repudiation of the whole rotten game. All we really have to go on, is dems raise taxes and have promised to end the tax cuts... while adding more taxes upon us all. All the rest.. the wars, the rights, the foreign nuttery will continue unabated. So, give me less taxes. Anyone that thinks there hasn't been enough sacrifice for this farce can certainly send the government a little more each month to help them get by. I know they'd appreciate it.
That's the part no one wants anyone else to see. It's the promotion of the Black liberation theology. And there is an expectation that Obama will make things 'right'. I've heard many of his voters say exactly that on the tube. That', is going back to the 60's. That is the domestic game plan -- to wipe out an entire segment of society. Here's where it's going to get interesting in the race between Obama and McCain.
Exactly what the commie ANC is doing in S Africa.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I didn't even make the law review at Yale Law School, even though I had very high grades.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Yes, and another reason why the Obama's Global Tax is outrageous! It subsidizes governments like Mugabe's. IOW Genocide. Obama: Fought the ban on Partial Birth Abortion. Believes in social justice, which is jargon for reparations. This is an angry man. A lot of hatred wrapped up in one man.
Calling the Bushes, or any gang of crooked politicians "public servants" reminds me of how Subway calls its employees "Sandwich Artists."
Obama wants to expand operations in Afghanistan, which is a stupid idea, but it won't be nearly as costly in money and lives as an all-out invasion of Iran. Plus Mad Mac is chomping at the bit to start a war with Russia or China. So on foreign policy, McCain is the worst of the lot, hands down, with Hillary the runner-up. You might be right that he'll cause less damage at home, but I'm not even sure about that. McCain and Obama are on the same page when it comes to immigration, affirmative action, and just about everything else. Not voting for either is the only right move that I can see.
I don't know, the logic seems shaky to me: 1. McCain clearly states that he will do A, B and C. 2. A, B and C are bad for us. 3. Obama is a politician, so I "know" he will do the same, even though he's shown no inclination towards it so far. 4. Therefore we are better off with McCain. Obama hasn't danced around and promised to "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" or stated that he's willing to fight in Iraq for 100 years. So at this point I am inclined to take the unknown over the certain problem.
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Isn't that sort of like saying that "Believes in religion" is jargon for "worships Satan"? Both terms can have connotations beyond the radioactive smear.
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Both terms can have connotations beyond the radioactive smear. I don't know, is that what you think of religion? A religion that preaches hatred has lost it's way. And I'd think its a great idea to call BS on all that do. So, have at it.
You may be right. But blackface is an unfairly denigrated theatrical tradition.
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
I think he's talking about you, JT.
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
Good point. He doesn't clarify if the eeeeeeevil terrorists are domestic or foreign. And with his support for hate laws, that would definitely endanger me....or you....or in time, all of us.
A western country can survive fascism. It can't survive darkies.
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
But can it survive neoconservatism?
As you know, I don't think that. And as you also know, the point is that you've used an overly broad category to make a baseless accusation. Sort of like saying that "Obama favors law and order so therefore he wants to imprison us all in concentration camps". Your "reparations" could be a subset of "social justice" but it doesn't necessarily follow. But implying that it necessarily does follow makes for a nice radioactive smear.
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2) Under Obama, the war is less likely to expand. Unlike the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly, Obama has emphasized talking with rather than obliterating Iran. Score 1 for Obama (and humanity). 3) Obama has decried the police state fascism of the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. Under Obama, Gitmo (and the black site torture centers) are more likely to be closed, and fundamental rights restored. Score 1 for Obama. But this is negated by two factors: (1) Obama doesn't have an (R) after his name, and (2) Obama is a coloured guy. I think that these two points are what is important to a lot of people.
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A most wonderful rant. Bravo!
Not only those reasons, but because whitey's a pussy. Those guys can say things about blacks we can't. (Keyes is kinda nuts tho'. Powerful orator; I always liked him, and never understood why he never won. That is, until he ran for senator in Illinois.) As much as I like Ward Connerly, it is pathetic that he's the front man.
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
This isn't true. On guns and taxes Obama is abysmal. McCain is better on both, as per their voting records. Foreign policy is a wash as Obama seems hell bent on searching the globe for the fictitious (or dead) bin Laden and warring on the CIA created entity, Al Qaeda.
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I can't argue with that one bit.
And as you also know, the point is that you've used an overly broad category to make a baseless accusation. Sort of like saying that "Obama favors law and order so therefore he wants to imprison us all in concentration camps". Your "reparations" could be a subset of "social justice" but it doesn't necessarily follow. But implying that it necessarily does follow makes for a nice radioactive smear. If you listened to his speeches, it's there. What the words mean, translate to how he sees his ability to bring it forth. It's that the language he uses, is to mask it's meaning. And no, I don't know what you think of relgion, that's why I asked the question. Point is, its not you that's running for President. If you were, I'd want to study your voting record, your speeches, your influences, your past, everything. If you happen to interpret things differently so be it. Some see the phrase 'comprehensive immigration reform', and know that really means amnesty. That's how they keep the sheep asleep.
Thanks for the Gollywogg Doll. No wonder they're in a perpetual state of anger.
To the extent neoconsrvatism embraces darkie, no. By definition.
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
Yes, but it's not unreasonable.
Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”
The evil of AA is that a more qualified white, who might have performed just as well, or better than Obama, might have been passed over because of his/her color. AA is reverse racism and needs to go. Agree?
I don't know who "these" people are unless you mean the Obamaphiles. On another thread you made a blatantly false accusation along with insult and diatribe directed at me. I responded in a civil manner asking where you were coming from. You filtered or ignored me. Today, your rants / feelings have a lot less credibility in my eyes.
That's the lawyer training, and as he's been lauded with the most excellent of honors, we can be sure he's one of the best at it.
Exactly!!! And some laud his magnificent prowess! Gush gush slobber ~~kerplunk~~ !!
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
For the same reason Nixon could go to China, Obama could end affirmative action as president. If you want affirmative action to end, maybe you should want Obama to win.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWhen the rubber hit the road, Obama continued to fund war, war, war......
Kucinich Says Clinton and Obama Continue to Vote for War Funding, They and Edwards Refuse to Oppose a Bush-Cheney Attack on Iran.
#43. To: Arator (#32)
3) Obama has decried the police state fascism of the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. Under Obama, Gitmo (and the black site torture centers) are more likely to be closed, and fundamental rights restored. Score 1 for Obama.
#44. To: Jethro Tull, rickyj, foh, christine, nobody222, robnoel (#0)
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Let the discussion begin.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#45. To: IndieTX (#44)
An Alan Keyes or a Dr. Walter Williams (had they chosen to run as R's) would have received votes because of their character
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#48. To: IndieTX, Christine (#44)
I will make my feelings known on this 4um, but I will no longer respond to these people individually (so don't waste your time; you'll be filtered or ignored).
#49. To: angle (#33)
...you're not just a purist non-voter? You're actually an active promoter of rapacious corporate criminality, freedom-extinguishing police-state thuggery, and mass murder for fun and profit?
#50. To: IndieTX (#44)
But I will continue to say all possible to pursuade others never to vote the marxist gun-hating, war on drugs continuing, world- taxing, affirmative action loving, amnesty giving, reparation-loving, Farrakhan hugging, give your money to the rest of the world, white-hating, black panther forgiving,
#51. To: Peppa (#50)
That is the domestic game plan -- to wipe out an entire segment of society
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#52. To: IndieTX, aristeides, ..., lawyers (#44)
#53. To: ghostdogtxn (#52)
#54. To: aristeides (#53)
#55. To: IndieTX (#51)
That is the domestic game plan -- to wipe out an entire segment of society Exactly what the commie ANC is doing in S Africa.
Supports Abortion.
Supports genocidal governments
Funds foreign wars.
Promotes social gospel, which is evangelizing about blaming whitey and ensure the flock understands their victimhood and their oppressors.
#56. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
dedicate their lives to "public service."
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
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Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone.
#58. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
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I don't believe Obama will restore jack. He's a politician, therefore he lies. It's what they do.
#59. To: Peppa (#55)
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Believes in social justice, which is jargon for reparations.
#60. To: ... (#59)
Believes in social justice, which is jargon for reparations. Isn't that sort of like saying that "religion" is jargon for "worship of Satan"?
#61. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
Nobody will work harder to go after those terrorists who will do the American people harm
#63. To: Tauzero (#62)
I think he's talking about you, JT.
#64. To: Arator (#32)
I guess fascist tyranny is OK for you just so long as the darkies are kept down (along with everyone else) in the process.
#65. To: Tauzero (#64)
A western country can survive fascism.
#66. To: Peppa (#60)
I don't know, is that what you think of religion?
#67. To: Arator (#32)
1) Obama has promised to get our troops out of Iraq within his first 16 months in office. This sets him apart from the McCain/Hillary Bush/Clinton duopoly. He has taken heat from the warmongering media over this, but he has not backed away. Score 1 for Obama.
#68. To: IndieTX (#44)
But I will continue to say all possible to pursuade others never to vote the marxist gun-hating, war on drugs continuing, world- taxing, affirmative action loving, amnesty giving, reparation-loving, Farrakhan hugging, give your money to the rest of the world, white-hating, black panther forgiving, he'll close Gitmo but leave in place and expand other police state legislation so people love him on one issue, married a racist bitch, amoral Obama anywhere near the presidency.
#69. To: IndieTX (#44)
An Alan Keyes or a Dr. Walter Williams (had they chosen to run as R's) would have received votes because of their character, their leadership and their supreme intelligence.
#70. To: ... (#58)
3. Obama is a politician, so I "know" he will do the same, even though he's shown no inclination towards it so far.
#71. To: Tauzero (#61)
You may be right. But blackface is an unfairly denigrated theatrical tradition.
#72. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#57)
Not voting for either is the only right move that I can see.
#73. To: ... (#66)
As you know, I don't think that.
#74. To: ... (#71)
#75. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
But can it survive neoconservatism?
#76. To: ... (#66)
Your "reparations" could be a subset of "social justice" but it doesn't necessarily follow.
#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#52)
Whatever his political beliefs and campaign experience may be, he's hardly an affirmative action beneficiary.
#78. To: IndieTX (#44)
I will make my feelings known on this 4um, but I will no longer respond to these people individually (so don't waste your time; you'll be filtered or ignored).
#79. To: Peppa (#73)
It's that the language he uses, is to mask it's meaning.
#80. To: angle (#79)
That's the lawyer training, and as he's been lauded with the most excellent of honors, we can be sure he's one of the best at it.
#81. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
#82. To: Jethro Tull (#77)
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