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Title: I’m beginning to think McCain will be less dangerous to my freedom than Obama
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Published: May 8, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-08 07:57:19 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 7299
Comments: 195

As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama.

Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone.

On the domestic front, both are awful, but Obama is much worse on guns. His dalliance with Black Theology is equally bad news. One look at the over animated Jeremiah Wright should be enough to convince white America that an influence like him will bring us additional layers of affirmative action, political correctness and slavery reparations. And did I mention Michelle Obama? She reeks of nasty and racism. The only plus Obama would bring is a potential white backlash, which is long over due.

There's lots more, but this is a starting point.

Let the discussion begin.

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#70. To: ... (#58)

3. Obama is a politician, so I "know" he will do the same, even though he's shown no inclination towards it so far.

This isn't true.

On guns and taxes Obama is abysmal.

McCain is better on both, as per their voting records.

Foreign policy is a wash as Obama seems hell bent on searching the globe for the fictitious (or dead) bin Laden and warring on the CIA created entity, Al Qaeda.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   11:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Tauzero (#61)

You may be right. But blackface is an unfairly denigrated theatrical tradition.

Click the image for "A History of the Gollywogg Doll". A doll inspired by 19th century Minstrels. Essentially a parody of a parody:

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   11:20:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#57)

Not voting for either is the only right move that I can see.

I can't argue with that one bit.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   11:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: ... (#66)

As you know, I don't think that.

And as you also know, the point is that you've used an overly broad category to make a baseless accusation. Sort of like saying that "Obama favors law and order so therefore he wants to imprison us all in concentration camps".

Your "reparations" could be a subset of "social justice" but it doesn't necessarily follow. But implying that it necessarily does follow makes for a nice radioactive smear.

If you listened to his speeches, it's there. What the words mean, translate to how he sees his ability to bring it forth. It's that the language he uses, is to mask it's meaning.

And no, I don't know what you think of relgion, that's why I asked the question.

Point is, its not you that's running for President. If you were, I'd want to study your voting record, your speeches, your influences, your past, everything.

If you happen to interpret things differently so be it.

Some see the phrase 'comprehensive immigration reform', and know that really means amnesty.

That's how they keep the sheep asleep.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-08   11:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: ... (#71)

Thanks for the Gollywogg Doll.

No wonder they're in a perpetual state of anger.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   11:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)

But can it survive neoconservatism?

To the extent neoconsrvatism embraces darkie, no. By definition.

Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-08   11:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: ... (#66)

Your "reparations" could be a subset of "social justice" but it doesn't necessarily follow.

Yes, but it's not unreasonable.

Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-08   11:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#52)

Whatever his political beliefs and campaign experience may be, he's hardly an affirmative action beneficiary.

The evil of AA is that a more qualified white, who might have performed just as well, or better than Obama, might have been passed over because of his/her color.

AA is reverse racism and needs to go.

Agree?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   11:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: IndieTX (#44)

I will make my feelings known on this 4um, but I will no longer respond to these people individually (so don't waste your time; you'll be filtered or ignored).

I don't know who "these" people are unless you mean the Obamaphiles. On another thread you made a blatantly false accusation along with insult and diatribe directed at me. I responded in a civil manner asking where you were coming from. You filtered or ignored me.

Today, your rants / feelings have a lot less credibility in my eyes.

angle  posted on  2008-05-08   11:35:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Peppa (#73)

It's that the language he uses, is to mask it's meaning.

That's the lawyer training, and as he's been lauded with the most excellent of honors, we can be sure he's one of the best at it.

angle  posted on  2008-05-08   11:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: angle (#79)

That's the lawyer training, and as he's been lauded with the most excellent of honors, we can be sure he's one of the best at it.

Exactly!!! And some laud his magnificent prowess! Gush gush slobber ~~kerplunk~~ !!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-08   11:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jethro Tull (#77)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-08   11:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Jethro Tull (#77)

For the same reason Nixon could go to China, Obama could end affirmative action as president.

If you want affirmative action to end, maybe you should want Obama to win.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-08   11:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Tauzero (#76)

Your "reparations" could be a subset of "social justice" but it doesn't necessarily follow.

Yes, but it's not unreasonable.

It's possible, but it doesn't necessarily follow.

"Social Justice" could just as easily imply 2nd Amendment rights for all instead of a select few.

Assigning very, very narrow radioactive interpretations to a very, very broad and poorly defined term is little more than a stock propaganda tactic.

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   11:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: aristeides (#82)

For the same reason Nixon could go to China, Obama could end affirmative action as president.

For the same reason Carter COULDN'T go to China, Obama couldn't initiate an amnesty program. The GOP would crucify him for doing so.

McCain on the other hand would be supported by the GOP in his amnesty efforts. He would be supported in exactly the same way that the GOP supported Bush - have Rush and the rest of the goob foolers tell the bitter rubes that the GOP opposed amnesty while the GOP prepares the bill and votes it in.

And there isn't any doubt about what McCain's amnesty stance is. For those who arn't sure, google "McCain - Kennedy".

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   12:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: aristeides (#82)

I don't think I'll ever see Obama say whites, who never owned a slave, or supported the slave trade, or knowingly discriminated against any African American have a right to be angry when affirmative action favors someone of a different race.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   12:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Jethro Tull (#85)

Actually, I think he said in his racism speech that their resentment is understandable.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-08   12:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama."

You don't have any material to work with, and I'm sure Bill Clinton feels your pain because of this.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   12:06:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Peppa (#80)

And some laud his magnificent prowess!

Would it be better if he had failed at everything he had done on his own and instead rode up on the coattails of his relatives - like Bush and McCain?

Why wasn't McCain booted out of the academy? Why wasn't McCain booted out of flight school? Why wasn't McCain booted out of the service after the Forrestal? Does having two admirals looking out for you have anything to do with it?

Personally, I prefer a leader who has a record of accomplishing difficult tasks using his own resources.

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   12:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: ... (#88)

Would it be better if he had failed at everything he had done on his own and instead rode up on the coattails of his relatives - like Bush and McCain?

Why wasn't McCain booted out of the academy? Why wasn't McCain booted out of flight school? Why wasn't McCain booted out of the service after the Forrestal? Does having two admirals looking out for you have anything to do with it?

Personally, I prefer a leader who has a record of accomplishing difficult tasks using his own resources.

So would I. Let's find us one. How about Ron Paul?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-08   12:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: ghostdogtxn (#81)

I'm not saying a person of color can't get an advantage in ADMISSION to Harvard because of race, but getting in the door ain't gonna get you on Law Review. No flippin' way.

That is true.

And it's also true that getting a foot in the door doesn't get you the grades. Bush is a good example of this. Bush wasn't qualified to go to Yale, but he got white guy affirmative action because four generations of his family were big benefactors and Prescot was a trustee. Bush failed miserably while he was there.

McCain also got white guy affirmative action in that he had two admirals in his family. Like Bush, McCain failed miserably when he got his foot in the door.

And it's entirely possible that Obama got into Havard with black guy affirmative action, but in contrast to Bush and McCain, Obama excelled and made law review.

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   12:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Peppa (#89)

How about Ron Paul?

He sounds good to me.

angle  posted on  2008-05-08   12:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Peppa (#89)

How about Ron Paul?

How about Jesus himself?

And now, back to reality ........

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   12:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

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Sleepy Senator John McCain


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   12:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: ... (#84)

McCain on the other hand would be supported by the GOP in his amnesty efforts.

Yep. If a Democrat does it, the Republican talking heads will call it amnesty (which it is), but if one of there own does it, they'll call it sound conservative policy.

Like I said before, Obama + GOP Congress would be the best way for there not to be any trouble.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-08   12:30:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

"Title: I’m beginning to think..."

That would be a welcome change, if you ever started doing this.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   12:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#94)

Yep. If a Democrat does it, the Republican talking heads will call it amnesty (which it is), but if one of there own does it, they'll call it sound conservative policy.

And I'm not saying that Obama is better on the amnesty issue, I am only saying that Obama can't get away with it - and McCain can.

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   12:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: ... (#90)

According to Wikipedia:

McCain has acknowledged engaging in extramarital affairs upon returning from Vietnam. While he was in Vietnam, his wife Carol had been severely injured in a car accident. Due to the accident, she had become 4 inches shorter, gained weight, and had to use crutches to walk. Soon after his return in 1973, McCain began engaging in extramarital affairs. In 1979, he met and began an affair with 25-year-old Cindy Hensley. A year later, McCain sought a divorce from Carol and a month after that, he married Hensley.

He may not have much of a mind, but the old guy sure has made sure he has treated his penis better then women who stood by him while he was a POW.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   12:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Ferret Mike (#97) (Edited)

McCain has acknowledged engaging in extramarital affairs upon returning from Vietnam. While he was in Vietnam, his wife Carol had been severely injured in a car accident. Due to the accident, she had become 4 inches shorter, gained weight, and had to use crutches to walk. Soon after his return in 1973, McCain began engaging in extramarital affairs. In 1979, he met and began an affair with 25-year-old Cindy Hensley. A year later, McCain sought a divorce from Carol and a month after that, he married Hensley.

It probably won't stop the old fraud from talking about "family values." Why should it, if being one of the Keating Five hasn't stopped him from talking about corrupt campaign financing.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-08   12:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Jethro Tull, All (#0) (Edited)

You know, I'm going to have to change my vote to McCain.

Ron Paul, it was nice supporting you, but the rubber meets the road when we're facing another Robert Mugabe trying to take over America and turn it into a turd-world-no-electricity wasteland. This white man will not bow down before ANY black oppressor.

Bring it on, Obama!!!!

;-)

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-08   12:45:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: X-15, Christine (#99)

You know, I'm going to have to change my vote to McCain.

See?

Another Bot, coming out of the closet. :))))

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-08   12:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: X-15 (#99)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-08   12:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#100)

You're welcome, feel free to light a cigarette....

;-)

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-08   12:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: ghostdogtxn (#101)

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What X-15 does in his spare time.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   12:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: aristeides (#47)

long history of reversing his positions

New data often times leads to new conclusions.

Elect anyone but Obama, Clinton, or McCain.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-08   13:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Ferret Mike (#103)

Mandel Rule, you lose.

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-08   13:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: X-15 (#105)

Actually no, you yourself celebrate your racism daily. I don't need to accuse you of it. If there were no real affirmation of racism by you and I accused you of it as a one size fits all way to win an argument or lively discussion with you, I would indeed be in violation of the Mandel rule.

Making fun of what you already relish about yourself is very much fair game here. ;-D


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-08   13:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Ferret Mike (#97)

McCain has acknowledged engaging in extramarital affairs upon returning from Vietnam. While he was in Vietnam, his wife Carol had been severely injured in a car accident. Due to the accident, she had become 4 inches shorter, gained weight, and had to use crutches to walk. Soon after his return in 1973, McCain began engaging in extramarital affairs. In 1979, he met and began an affair with 25-year-old Cindy Hensley. A year later, McCain sought a divorce from Carol and a month after that, he married Hensley.

He may not have much of a mind, but the old guy sure has made sure he has treated his penis better then women who stood by him while he was a POW.

I need to google up some old GOP quotes about how extramarital affairs disqualified you for the office of President.

If I recall correctly, Newt had some beauties.

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   13:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: X-15 (#99)

This white man will not bow down before ANY black oppressor.

Lots of people from the South have been touched by the tar brush somewhere back in the family tree. Do you ask to see their passbook before dealing with them?

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...  posted on  2008-05-08   13:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Ferret Mike, X-15, Illegal Mexican Trap, Burkeman1 (#103) (Edited)

Here's another beaut.

I find it hilarious!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-08   13:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: ... (#108)

Lots of people from the South have been touched by the tar brush somewhere back in the family tree. Do you ask to see their passbook before dealing with them?

Liberal myth, please drive through...

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." Thomas Jefferson

X-15  posted on  2008-05-08   13:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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