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Title: I’m beginning to think McCain will be less dangerous to my freedom than Obama
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Published: May 8, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-08 07:57:19 by Jethro Tull
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As a realist I know either McCain or Obama will be the next president, and although I won’t be voting, I’m coming to the conclusion that McCain will be less of a train wreck to my personal freedom than Obama. Obama, like McCain, offers endless war, so their foreign policy is a draw. In fact I give points to McCain for his honest 100 year comment. Obama’s nutty obsession to hunt down al Qaeda, a creation of the US government, was all I needed to know about his foreign policy. His speech to AIPAC was the cap stone. On the domestic front, both are awful, but Obama is much worse on guns. His dalliance with Black Theology is equally bad news. One look at the over animated Jeremiah Wright should be enough to convince white America that an influence like him will bring us additional layers of affirmative action, political correctness and slavery reparations. And did I mention Michelle Obama? She reeks of nasty and racism. The only plus Obama would bring is a potential white backlash, which is long over due. There's lots more, but this is a starting point. Let the discussion begin.
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#121. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
My opinion is that McCain is every bit as destructive as Obama is, but he tends to hide it a little better. But don't misunderstand me, please. I don't blame McCain or Obama for "seizing" power. They are in the positions they enjoy because of many generations of manipulation this country has endured, abuse that is accelerating.
Ah, the audacity of hope. ;^) McCain, on the other hand, promises globe-wide conflagration, which is no hope at all. When faced with such a choice, I'll choose hope everytime. You know better, but his race alone is the reason, IMO, that you have looked past his 9-11 beliefs, his promise of an expanded WOT against al CIAda, and his love of large central government (read socialism). "Expanding the WOT against alCIAda" is really shrinking it, since it will be coupled with a massive withdrawal from Iraq. I suspect the former is only to provide Obama with political cover for the latter, and prevent the GOP jackboots from painting him as weak on "national security". It's a tactical manuever to facility a strategic withdrawal. That's a wise move, IMO. As for love of central government, both parties share it. The difference is this: under McCain trillions stolen from taxpayers will end up accumulating offshore (ie. in the accounts of no-bid defense contractors HQ'd in Dubai), whereas under Obama they might actually get spent and earned by real flesh and blood Americans here in "the homeland." If we have to stomach big government either way, I prefer the kind that spends our tax money on Americans living in America, not overseas corporate pirates. Obama's race has nothing to do with it. If a white Dem (like say, Jim Webb) were running with the same anti-war platform, I'd be supporting him as well. I think you would too. So, why not Obama?
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Except you can't very well argue that Obama is anti-war. He's got Zbigniew Brzezinski on his team, and he's already said what he would do in Pakistan, Iran, and elsewhere to keep up the good work of the Zionists. He's been to AIPAC and oathed his fealty to the Jews. He's just less aggressive about being pro-war than the others have been, more or less. But the audacity of hope is endless, I know. Do you know anything at all about Brzezinski?
just coming late to this thread and have only read 1/3 so far. not feeling well and been sleeping. just want to throw this in the mix for discussion. Ron Paul is black.
It’s funny you mention “The Audacity of Hope," because his book doesn't offer hope. He calls for a "revised foreign policy that matches the “boldness and scope of Truman's post-World War II policies” -- “one that addresses both the challenges and the opportunities of a new millennium, one that guides our use of force and expresses our deepest concerns.” Hello?? WTF does that mean? Obama's campaign should carry a warning: Danger! Foreign policy under construction * Obama has suggested that bombing Iran to stop its nuclear program would be an option in his presidency. * He’d shuffle *combat troops* (leaving other troops behind) from Iraq to Afghanistan to hunt bin Laden and al Qaeda * He warned Pakistan's president, Musharraf, that if he didn't take out terrorists in his midst, President Obama would. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will" * Israel is “sacrosanct” and will be defended from all foes. * He’s called al Qaeda on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border’ a bigger threat than in Iraq. These 'terrorists' go in an Obama administration. Add all this together and you have in Obama McKook on steroids. So tell me again why this domestic socialist is a foreign policy saviour?
This wouldn't bother me at all, but I don't understand why you make this assertion just now. Please explain?
hehehehe..... You sound like me after 6 Coronas :)
what i'm asserting is that it's not Obama's race/color for most (if not all) here, but his leftist radical politics and adherence to the Black Liberation Theology. switch Ron Paul and his politics for Obama and Obama and his politics for Ron Paul and i believe we'd all still be getting along here.
Basically your lefty 68er friends just wanted to get high and dodge the draft. There are excellent, principled reasons for dodging the draft and making drugs legal, but those are the motivations here.
I get it. Yes, blacks on the political right (constitutional side) are shunned by the MSM. If Obama weren't a domestic socialist and foreign policy interventionist, he'd be a non candidate.
You say that as though it's not a good plan. Would getting drafted be better? Should I continue buying dope from the Mafiya?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I thought I was clear enough.
Dance nekked in the park with a bunch of hippie women too. Don't forget that one.
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Ron Paul is black. You mean, like Bill Clinton? Or, maybe you are saying that it would be hard for a black guy to fully embrace Americas present and stay committed to America's future because of America's past? Oh, just heard it from Obama: McCain is senile... well... he said something about McCain 'losing his bearings'. This IS funny.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Good, because I'm at about 91% bullshit right now and wanted to make sure one of knew what we were talking about.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
So is this presidential campaign.
Hippie hygeine isn't the best, but I'm sure it beats getting your head blown off by a Viet Cong. And pot's much easier on the lungs than Agent Orange.
I hold no one on this site responsible for the outcome.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Until paraquat. Damn, even Jimmy Carter is evil.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
what i'm saying is that i think that the majority of 4umers would be in agreement and supportive of Obama if he had Paul's politics/ideologies and the same holds true if Paul were black. i don't think, then, the race card would have been played on either side. of course, JT is correct. were this the case, as far as MSM, both candidates would be a non-entity.
Now you're talking like a 68er. Those who side with the Establishment enable it. It's our obligation to provide a sound alternative, or at least sound criticism.
Spot-on!!!
"There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the white community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the white community first and foremost."<-- I bastardized Michelle Obama's quote ;-)
No, seriously, it's just not my cross to bear. The "Right" had their chance and blew it, I am not gonna vote for McCain.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
That's the impression I got too. I've listened to a number of speeches, or intro's, on YT, and at times it's her words, at times it's her tone, and I suspect that might depend on the audience to which she is addressing.. but she is one angry lady. When the waters started getting rough for Obama, I remember a morning interview show captured that boil and I thought damn sam, we got us another Hillary! ;) On Michelle's thesis... fyi:
If I can't find it on YouTube it dit'n really happen, right?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
On Michelle's thesis... fyi: www.politico.co m/news/stories/0208/8642_Page2.html Thank you Peppa.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Had never seen that one!!! Alrighty then.. a 'tube' theme eh??????????????????
ymw!
Jethro Tull showed every bit as much weakness as the Obama supporters for suggesting he might be a little better. The only "better" candidate was Ron Paul, and he sent out a Trotsky letter.
I still see this as an overused cheap shot. Can we now talk about why he should've run 3rd party, started a new 9/11 investigation, why he can't win ? That's where the weak and frauds resided. I have no problem with what Jethro said. At least he provides some reasoning. The ophiles never explained why they spun a 180 from RP to the Otrain. So as long as we are trying to apply a standard, let's decide where the bar is and apply it to all.
Ron Paul disappointed me because he said he would campaign to the end if he got support. I figured that when someone like McCain got the nomination so many Americans would be disillusioned that they would look for an answer and Ron Paul would be there. It's not a cheap shot to be frustrated about his lack of energy and commitment to the race, despite numerous speeches to the contrary. But this past decade has been one political disappointment after another, nothing new about that. To prefer one of these puppets is to let the Establishment have one foot in the door.
I hate him, but either he or O will win. As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible. Since our State Dept runs our foreign policy, he and Obummer are a basic wash, ergo, McKook might give me more personal freedom Then again, he might not. Whatever, as I said I'm not voting.
The GOP seems to have become a megachurch in and unto itself, short of pointy hats. Now there's a congregation got some fervor alright.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
"Nothing but Trouble" with Dan Aykroyd. Funny
What comes after another 12 years of that?
You are implying that the 3 assholes are alike in every way. That just isn't true. They are not exactly alike. No human beings are. So naturally we will all have varying degrees of like and dislike for the 3. Yeah Ron Paul is better in our opinion. But if you are honest with yourself I bet you dislike some more that others.
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I think I like Obama better than the others, but it would be a cold day in hell before I would vote for him. It's really just because his allegiance to Israel is a little shakier than the others that I can even concede that.
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#122. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
Arator, personal attack aside, your points above are based on promises and hope offered by a politician.
#123. To: Arator (#122)
#124. To: ALL, Arator, Jethro Tull, angle, a vast rightwing conspirator (#123)
#125. To: Arator (#122)
#126. To: christine (#124)
Ron Paul is black.
#127. To: christine (#124)
Ron Paul is black.
#128. To: buckeye (#126)
#129. To: christine (#128)
#130. To: christine (#128)
#131. To: buckeye (#129)
Basically your lefty 68er friends just wanted to get high and dodge the draft.
#132. To: Dakmar (#131)
#133. To: buckeye (#129)
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Basically your lefty 68er friends just wanted to get high and dodge the draft.
#134. To: christine (#124)
want to throw this in the mix for discussion.
#135. To: buckeye (#132)
I thought I was clear enough.
#136. To: Dakmar (#135)
#137. To: ... (#133)
Dance nekked in the park with a bunch of hippie women too. Don't forget that one
#138. To: buckeye (#136)
So is this presidential campaign.
#139. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#137)
And pot's much easier on the lungs than Agent Orange.
#140. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#134)
#141. To: Dakmar (#138)
(Edited)
I hold no one on this site responsible for the outcome.
#142. To: christine (#140)
what i'm saying is that i think that the majority of 4umers would be in agreement and supportive of Obama if he had Paul's politics/ideologies and the same holds true if Paul were black. i don't think, then, the race card would have been played on either side.
#143. To: buckeye (#141)
Now you're talking like a 68er.
#144. To: Dakmar, vote STEVENS! (#143)
#145. To: James Deffenbach (#120)
It's not just him either. That harpy/shrew he is married to hates whitey with a passion.
#146. To: Fill my internet tubes (#144)
#147. To: Jethro Tull (#144)
#148. To: Peppa (#145)
That's the impression I got too. I've listened to a number of speeches, or intro's, on YT, and at times it's her words, at times it's her tone, and I suspect that might depend on the audience to which she is addressing.. but she is one angry lady. When the waters started getting rough for Obama, I remember a morning interview show captured that boil and I thought damn sam, we got us another Hillary! ;)
Lord Acton
#149. To: Jethro Tull (#146)
THAT WAS GREAT!!
#150. To: James Deffenbach (#148)
Thank you Peppa.
#151. To: Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#143)
I am not gonna vote for McCain.
#152. To: buckeye (#151)
and he sent out a Trotsky letter.
#153. To: Peppa (#152)
#154. To: buckeye (#151)
#155. To: buckeye (#153)
I figured that when someone like McCain got the nomination so many Americans would be disillusioned that they would look for an answer
#156. To: Dakmar (#155)
#157. To: Jethro Tull (#154)
As a hedonist deluxe, I want low taxes, my guns and the least amount of socialism as possible.
#158. To: buckeye (#151)
Jethro Tull showed every bit as much weakness as the Obama supporters for suggesting he might be a little better. The only "better" candidate was Ron Paul, and he sent out a Trotsky letter.
#159. To: buckeye (#153)
#160. To: Old Friend (#158)
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