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Title: 'This is just plain wrong' (U.S. Congress + Nelson Mandela TODAY)
Source: Independent Online (South Africa)
URL Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=nw20080508194409871C255207
Published: May 8, 2008
Author: JESSE J. HOLLAND
Post Date: 2008-05-09 02:21:04 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 2262
Comments: 52

Washington - The US house of representatives voted on Thursday to remove apartheid-era travel restrictions and terrorist designations from Nelson Mandela and other African National Congress (ANC) members for fighting against their country's white minority rule.

"Despite recognising two decades ago that America's place was on the side of those oppressed by apartheid, Congress has never resolved the inconsistency in our immigration code that treats many of those who actively opposed apartheid in South Africa as terrorists and criminals," said Howard Berman, a Democrat and chairperson of the house foreign affairs committee.

The house approved by voice vote legislation to give the state department and homeland security wide latitude to disregard the ANC's anti-apartheid activities when determining whether to allow members and former members into the United States. The bill also adds the ANC to a list of groups that should not be considered terrorist organisations.

"Despite his legacy as a hero of the anti-apartheid movement, despite the fact that he is a Nobel Peace Prize recipient...despite his election as president, we still require Nelson Mandela to apply for a visa waiver to enter into the United States just for a visit. This is just plain wrong," said Barbara Lee, a democrat.

The ANC is the ruling party in the democratic, post-apartheid South Africa, but was considered a terrorist organisation by the apartheid white minority government.

"The ANC is not a terrorist organisation now," said Lamar Smith, a Republican.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice asked Congress last month to pass the legislation.

She called it "embarrassing" that she still has to waive travel restrictions when Mandela and other ANC leaders visit the United States.

Other ANC members have been refused entry into the United States. For example, Barbara Masekela, the former South African ambassador to the United States, was denied a visa to visit a dying cousin in the United States in 2007, lawmakers said.

A similar bill is moving through the Senate. - Sapa-AP


Poster's comment: notice the Republican BS I bold-typed above. Expect the three stooges in the Senate to fight over who loves Nelson Mandela more.

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#2. To: X-15 (#0)

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Nelson Mandela

A great man, one of my heroes. It is outrageous to have him on a terrorist watch list.

During the struggle to boot the Bloody Nats out, I belonged to Eugene Free South Africa. Seeing the ANC come to power was a dream come true. Long live the ANC.

Amandla Awetu!

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-09   3:09:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

Long live the ANC.

So how's that working out down there in South Africa?

How far has life expectancy has gone up?

mirage  posted on  2008-05-09   3:19:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mirage (#3)

How has the decades of oppression, leadership decapitation, disenfranchisement from land, jobs and even citizenship helped to make South Africa better?

The ANC inherited a world class mess from the terroristic South African Government that had practiced the fascist policy of Apartheid. I have studied South Africa and plan on going there someday to see that country for myself. Current problems have their genesis in the oppression of the Apartheid era and it was well known recovery from that era would be multi generational.

I know who is at fault for the current and past problems in South Africa, and most of them were Afrikaners.

I support the ANC and the current government of South Africa, and I am glad to see the Nationalist Party's rule to finally be in the dustbin of history.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-09   3:29:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike, robnoel, mirage, all (#4)

The ANC inherited a world class mess from the terroristic South African Government that had practiced the fascist policy of Apartheid. I have studied South Africa and plan on going there someday to see that country for myself. Current problems have their genesis in the oppression of the Apartheid era and it was well known recovery from that era would be multi generational.

So, that of course justifies the murders of the couple of thousand farmers that has taken place?

Evil has no color and one evil does not justify another.

The ANC is, in its own way, every bit as corrupt and despicable as the regime it replaced.

A just solution is yet to be found and implemented. More strife, and more bloodshed fuels only further hatreds. The regime of Apartheid was execrable, but the actions of the ANC have proven little better.

Apologias for injustice and corruption of the ANC because you supported the abolition of Apartheid, and rightly so, does not absolve the ANC and their criminal hanger's on now. Injustice has no color and past injustice is not solved with current injustice propagated by the formerly oppressed. Injustice perpetrated by the left is no less unjust that that perpetrated by the right. Regardless of the mincing words and platitudes we are, in the end, left with the reality.

I think the Zulus have the right idea - "you leave us alone and we won't kill you".

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-09   12:10:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#16)

As always, well done...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-09   12:13:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FOH (#22)

Thank you for the kind words good sir.

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-09   23:50:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent (#43)

Thank you for the kind words good sir.

I only wish I could as eloquently articulate how inspiring you are to Constitutional-America loving patriots from border to border and coast to coast...you're one of the really special people in any 4um you participate.

That's just how it is kind sir.

FOH  posted on  2008-05-09   23:55:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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