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Title: MICHELLE OBAMA THESIS - THE TRUTH
Source: nolu chan
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Published: May 10, 2008
Author: nolu chan
Post Date: 2008-05-10 05:00:05 by nolu_chan
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Comments: 28

MICHELLE OBAMA THESIS - THE TRUTH

There are two threads that I know of recycling fictional "quotes" from the thesis of Michelle Obama.

www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=78172

Post Date: 2008-04-15 20:50:30 by Jethro Tull

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Post Date: 2008-05-08 16:20:50 by Jethro Tull

If she had made the statements claimed, it would have been all over the MSM. It wasn't. The alleged statements include some fictional "quotes" and some bastardized "quotes."

FIRST, the FICTIONAL quotes:

In her senior thesis at Princeton University, Michelle LaVaughn, the future wife of the Democratic presidential candidate, stated that America was a nation founded on “crime and hatred.” Moreover, she stated that whites in America were “ineradicably racist.”

The 1985 thesis, entitled Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community, was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn.

There is NO occurrence of the word crime in the thesis.

There is NO occurrence of the word hatred in the thesis.

There is NO occurrence of the word ineradicably in the thesis.

There is ONE occurrence of the word racism in the thesis. It appears within the cited title of a source publication in footnote 1 on page 7: "1 Pierre van den Berghe, Race and Racism, (New York: Wiley), 1967: p. 35"

Her maiden name was Michelle Robinson. Her middle name was, and remains, LaVaughan. Her signature on the thesis is "Michelle Robinson." The full printed name is Michelle LaVaughan Robinson.

An attack paragraph states:

“There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost.”

She seems to justify those feelings with what she claims to see on the other side of the issue: “Predominantly white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students, comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”

Michelle added in her thesis that to “whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, [I] will always be black first.”

This is from page 2. The full, original paragraph reads as follows:
Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Blackness" than ever before. I have found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
The above attack paragraph appears contrived and selectively incomplete.

Another attack paragraph states:

I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with Whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that Black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still main­tain a certain level of identification with the Black commu­nity. However, these findings do not support this possibil­ity.
This is from page 63. The full passage is as follows:
I began this study questionning my own attitudes as a fu­ture alumnus. I wondered whether or not my education at Princeton would affect my identification with the Black com­munity. I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with Whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that Black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still main­tain a certain level of identification with the Black commu­nity. However, these findings do not support this possibil­ity.

Findings show that some respondents did experience a change in their attitudes over the periods of time indicated in this study. By studying respondents who did change, it was shown that respondents' experiences while attending Princeton caused their identification with Blacks and the Black community to increase as their identification with Whites and the White community decreased. However, after Princeton, respondents' experienced the opposite change in attitude; their identification with Blacks and the Black community decreased as their identification with Whites and

[63]

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the White community increased. Thus, these findings suggest that respondents who experience change as a result of their Princeton experiences are likely to identify less with Blacks and the Black community in comparison to Whites and the Whites community.

It is important to note that it is impossible for me to generalize these findings for all Black Princeton alumni be­cause the sample for this study was much too small to make any kind of generalizations. Therefore, I am only able to draw conclusions from these findings for the respondents to my questionnaire.

[emphasis added.]

This is brought to all as a public service to educate the racist pinheads concerned anti-Marxist patriots.

Oh. And on the White GOP side, Cindy McCain is being given a free ride by these pinheads. Of course, she was an admitted drug addict for years. She became a drug addict while a mother of three young children with John McCain. While a drug addict, she adopted a fourth child, obviously not being entirely candid with any adoption agency. She stole drugs to support her habit. She stole them from her own charity, American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT). She doctor-shopped with the volunteer doctors. She used bogus prescriptions to obtain drugs in the name of friends without their knowledge. We should elect John McCain to get tough on drugs and give prison time to offenders.

Cindy blamed knee and back pain, and the pressure of the Keating Five scandal. Aw heck, there's no pressure in the White House.

Cindy could talk about her drug addiction. But her income tax returns - now that's just getting too private.

The Michelle Obama thesis is available online in four parts at Politico since February. Johan Goldberg noted on 2/19/2008 that Princeton would not release it. Politico contacted the Obama campaign and the Obama campaign released it by 2/22/2008.

PART 1: http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdf

PART 2: http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_26-501.pdf

PART 3: http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_51-751.pdf

PART 4: http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_51-751.pdf

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#1. To: nolu_chan (#0)

I actually took the time to read her thesis, all 100 pages of it. The accusations or 'racism' or whatever are, I am sorry to say, CRAP. You are correct that nowhere does she state that the American society is built on a foundation of crimes or whatever the false quote says.

Interestingly, I did my own thesis at about the same time - a few years earlier - on an equally controversial topic in what was then my world - religion and religion-inspired behavior and attitudes inside an officially atheistic state and the complex interactions between the 2 'communities' where the official atheistic society was attempting to assimilate the church members while the churches were spending a lot of effort to stay separate and working on proselytizing.

Michelle is honest enough to state at the beginning of her thesis that she had certain biases. This is a plus, not something to be disparaged. She notes that she came to Princeton eager and willing to integrate into the Ivy League world. To her disappointment, she found that her fellow students were treating her not as another fellow student but were relating to her as the 'black' one, more like an anthropological curiosity. That was a disappointment. She was about to leave Princeton with a strong desire to help 'the Black community' but, also to her surprise, with new 'values' she didn't have before joining Princeton: some appreciation for the academia, a desire to be financially successful, a definition of 'success' as the ability to compete for good jobs.

All of the above is only a few paragraphs in the introduction. The body of her work is preponderantly technical as she attempts to measure the Princeton's black alumni views on black integration into the white society or black separatism. The main independent variable, if I am not mistaken, were time spent interacting with whites. The hypothesis was that the more time a black person spends interacting with whites the more likely that person was to favor integration.

Overall, it's not a bad study for a thesis even though it does lack some sophistication. I have some issues with the size of the sample - can't really test a hypothesis with a sample of 80-some respondents. She should have attempted to contact all 1200 black Princeton alumni because the increase in cost of contacting 400 people by mail vs. 1200 would have been negligible. But, I guess, she decided that working with 'a sample' was good for showing mastery of techniques. On the technical side, she really did it 'on the cheap'. I saw no attempts to one on one in-depth discussions with a subsample of respondents or any attempts to contact the non-respondents or to understand what motivated their non-response.

Her conclusions are quite honest. The fact that some of the findings are unexpected and she has the integrity to admit it is a good thing.

Like I said, I did a somewhat similar study for my own thesis. I was lucky to have a much larger sample to work with.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   9:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

Michelle is honest enough to state at the beginning of her thesis that she had certain biases.

What are they?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   9:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

She wanted to help the black community. As she was about to leave Princeton, she noted that she internalized a set of values that she did not have when she started. Such as judging people by the amount of money they were making and her own drive to compete for high-paying jobs.

Why don't you take the time and read rather than join the chorus of screaming idiots yelling 'racism' or whatever it is that they yell without bothering to take a look at what they were yelling about.

If I was a Princeton professor I would have given her a pass but her work only shows some good understanding and good effort but there's nothing to be enthused about. The hypothesis is quite banal - the more time you spend with whites the more likely you are to tolerate them - and the data crunching is okay but she's got a sample that is way too small and she really avoided human contact with the objects of her research. I did a lot better in my thesis even though I was operating inside a much more hostile academic environment.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   9:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nolu_chan (#0)

Thanks. You've told us an awful lot about the intellectual honesty -- or lack of it -- among certain people with whom we are familiar.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-10   9:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

To her disappointment, she found that her fellow students were treating her not as another fellow student but were relating to her as the 'black' one, more like an anthropological curiosity.

I guess this proves the major failure of affirmative action which the majority of blacks don't think is a bad thing so long as people are given a free pass because of the colour of their skin respect will never be given....

robnoel  posted on  2008-05-10   9:41:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robnoel (#5)

It's probably true that affirmative action tends to exacerbate the differences rather than muffle them but it is also probably true that racism is in everyone's genes - it comes naturally, that is.

When I was a student we had one black guy in our group. He was from what was then known as the Central African Empire and his tuition was paid by that country's 'emperor' - his future career was to be the emperor's personal journalist. He was also getting a monthly stipend that allowed him to live in a luxury hotel suite and afford just about anything he wanted. He was still the black monkey to us. We would drink his scotch and let us drive around the town in his luxury car but, in the end, he was not one of us.

There were quite a few Chileans (it was soon after Allende's end and there were many Chilean refugees coming) and a significant number of Arabs. They spontaneously formed their own gangs. The Chileans and the Latin-Americans in general were okay because they were fun and could play guitars and sing nice songs. The blacks were... monkeys. As for the Arabs, no one could stand them. They were outcasts and no one would touch a girl seen going out with an Arab.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   9:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu_chan (#0)

In her senior thesis at Princeton University, Michelle LaVaughn, the future wife of the Democratic presidential candidate, stated .....

...

Her maiden name was Michelle Robinson. Her middle name was, and remains, LaVaughan. Her signature on the thesis is "Michelle Robinson." The full printed name is Michelle LaVaughan Robinson.

Ok, the person drafting the hit piece deliberately misstated the name. Along with the misquotes came an allegation that the thesis has been pulled from public view. And as someone noted yesterday, anyone can walk into the Princeton library and view a thesis.

So it looks like the person who did this not only misquoted Obama's wife, they garbled the maiden name to make it more difficult for someone to obtain a copy of the thesis to fact check them. I'm not sure, but it looks like they also floated the "thesis pulled" story to explain why the thesis was not available under the name they published.

Pretty sleazy.

What's next? An allegation that Michelle Obama killed Vince Foster?

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...  posted on  2008-05-10   10:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ... (#7)

And as someone noted yesterday, anyone can walk into the Princeton library and view a thesis.

I was the one who noted that. I'm a Princeton graduate. I wrote a senior thesis. I remember being told at the time that my thesis would be available to the public and that anyone could come to the Princeton University library and ask to see it. I believe I remember being told that this was standard practice for all Princeton senior theses.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-10   10:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides (#8) (Edited)

I remember being told that this was standard practice for all Princeton senior theses.

Yes, and I remember an allegation yesterday that the Michelle Obama thesis had been "pulled" and was not available. I believe this was in one of the two articles noted above, but I will have to double check.

And the thesis would appear to have be unavailable if a fact checker used the name the author of the hit piece gave. And this garbling of the name has to be deliberate as the name would be on the thesis. Either that, or the author didn't read the thesis before writing the hit piece.

The attacks are beginning to sound more and more Clintonesque. How long until we hear breathless stories about Michelle Obama having sex with aliens at the Mena airport?

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...  posted on  2008-05-10   10:09:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

Its the myth of "all men are created equal" that is the root cause of the problem being brought up in the bush I relate to the law of the jungle where equality takes second place to survival of the fittest

robnoel  posted on  2008-05-10   10:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robnoel (#10)

Its the myth of "all men are created equal" that is the root cause of the problem being brought up in the bush I relate to the law of the jungle where equality takes second place to survival of the fittest

As Carl Sagen and Jane Goodall noted, the ability to rise above the law of the jungle is the difference between humans and monkeys. Humans can control their emotions and plan their actions. This results in such things as just societies where rights are protected and equality is respected. Equality is just another word for justice.

Monkeys live in a gang society that resembles a bunch of wingnuts on FreeRepublic howling at each other. They arn't capable of much beyond this.

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...  posted on  2008-05-10   10:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: ... (#11)

Monkeys live in a gang society

I'm reminded of East LA; the crips and bloods as an example. Simians at best.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   10:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12) (Edited)

Weird double post. Deleted it.

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...  posted on  2008-05-10   10:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Monkeys live in a gang society

I'm reminded of East LA; the crips and bloods as an example. Simians at best.

That was an example they used. The default level of human society is the gang. Same with chimps. The difference is that humans can make a decision to live differently. Monkeys can't.

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...  posted on  2008-05-10   10:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: ... (#13)

The default level of human society is the gang.

Coming to a country near you.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   10:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ... (#11)

Not sure if Carl Sagen or Jane Goodall ever lived in the bush however the only difference between the two and four legged animals of this world is that four legged animals are very predictable.Equality is only achived by mutual respect and respect only comes about by it being earned

robnoel  posted on  2008-05-10   10:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robnoel (#16) (Edited)

Not sure if Carl Sagen or Jane Goodall ever lived in the bush

45 years for Goodall I believe. Carefully journaling her observations the entire time.

Equality is only achived by mutual respect and respect only comes about by it being earned

Not everyone buys into the philosophy that the biggest bully rules. That's why we have things called laws. There are societies where you can live this way however. North Korea is an example. So are the tribal areas of Pakistan. The Crip controlled areas of East L.A. is another good place.

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...  posted on  2008-05-10   10:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)

Interesting.

Lod  posted on  2008-05-10   10:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

The hypothesis is quite banal - the more time you spend with whites the more likely you are to tolerate them

I see....

Suppose a white student came up with this banal hypothesis:

The more time you spend with BLACKS the more likely you are to tolerate them

You think a Princeton professor would object to that?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   10:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19) (Edited)

The more time you spend with BLACKS the more likely you are to tolerate them

That's the core principle behind busing and the 'mixed neighborhoods' theory.

On what planet to you live?

As a student, I had enjoyed freedoms and opportunities most of my countrymen did not. That include my ability to pick a VERY controversial topic for my own thesis. The only challenge I had to face was to find a professor that would have the testicular fortitude to sponsor my research. Being a clever guy, I made it look like a 'methods and techniques' kind of research - using 'the computer' to process survey data... that kind of cutting edge stuff (it was the late 70's). If I could do very much what I pleased with my thesis, inside a tightly controlled, communist regime, I have little doubt that a Princeton graduate could do the same. It is also worth remembering that the PC movement was not very strong in the early 80's - all we had was the IBM PC and a bunch of semi-compatible clones. Not as strong as in came to be in the 90's.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   11:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)

That's the core principle behind busing and the 'mixed neighborhoods' theory.

And who in their right mind if for FORCED GOVERNMENT school busing, or housing?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   12:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: ... (#11)

As Carl Sagen and Jane Goodall noted, the ability to rise above the law of the jungle is the difference between humans and monkeys. Humans can control their emotions and plan their actions.

This of course explains the .com bubble. Jeez.

And in fact, this whole "equality" nonsense is just another bubble.

Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-10   14:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

I answered your question. You stated that it is forbidden to expect Whites to become more Black-tolerant once they spend more time in the company of Blacks. I reminded you that this is quite a common assumption and that there are social policies that attempt to reduce or eliminate racial tensions and (the expectation is) racism by forcing people of different races to live together.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   14:18:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

Coming to a country near you.

Celebrate Diversity!

Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-10   14:19:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: ... (#14)

The difference is that humans can make a decision to live differently. Monkeys can't.

Humans can choose to jump off a cliff to their death. Monkeys can't.

Jazmyn Singleton, a black Duke senior agrees. After living in a predominantly white dorm freshman year, she lives with five African-American women in an all-black dormitory. “Both communities tend to be very judgmental,” says Ms. Singleton, ruefully. “There is pressure to be black. The black community can be harsh. People will say there are 600 blacks on campus but only two-thirds are ‘black’ because you can’t count blacks who hang out with white people.”

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-10   14:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tauzero (#24)

Celebrate Diversity!

It takes a special kind of person to celebrate the socialist noose diversity proposes. Yet, the Guilters are just that, special :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   15:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull, ... (#12)

I'm reminded of East LA; the crips and bloods as an example. Simians at best.

So you commuted into your beloved NYC to serve and protect your beloved Black sisters and brothers. That was mighty white of you.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-05-10   19:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: ..., aristeides, a vast rightwing conspirator (#7)

And as someone [nc - aristeides] noted yesterday, anyone can walk into the Princeton library and view a thesis.

The non-availability story gained notice via a report at National Review by Jonah Goldberg.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTI1NjE4OGY2MTUxMGY3MzdiNzY3NzI3MzZlZGIyMTk

National Review’s WFB Memorial Issue is available here.

Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Michelle Obama's Thesis [Jonah Goldberg]

Derb - A reader in the know informs me that Michelle Obama's thesis, "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community," is unavailable until November 5, 2008 at the Princeton library. I wonder why.

02/19 01:38 PM

By February 22, Politico reported that they had obtained the thesis from the Obama campaign and put it online.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide
By JEFFREY RESSNER | 2/22/08 4:20 PM EST Updated: 2/23/08 9:51 AM EST

Michelle Obama's senior year thesis at Princeton University, obtained from the campaign by Politico, shows a document written by a young woman grappling with a society in which a black Princeton alumnus might only be allowed to remain "on the periphery." Read the full thesis here: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4.

The earliest I found the racist garbage attack was on Drudge Forum, by the moderator, referencing the precise same links to the PDF of the thesis which has been provided here.

http://www.drudgeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=11917

Drudge Forum.com

Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama Senior Thesis, Princeton Educated Blacks

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You read it and then decide what she meant by her remarks.

Part 1 http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_1-251.pdf

Part 2 http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_26-501.pdf

Part 3 http://www.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_51-751.pdf

Part 4 http://dyn.politico.com/pdf/080222_MOPrincetonThesis_76-981.pdf


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You read it and then decide what she meant by her remarks.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

How about a short summary? I read some of it, but quickly got bored. There must be some kind of required word count for her thesis that created her need to beat the same basic point to death.


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An initial glance:

whatever problems faced by black American are traceable to ---– white Americans.

A synopsis says that our possible future First Lady wrote that America was founded on "crime and hatred" and that whites are "ineradicable racist."

I do want to see those words in the thesis .. but haven't got there yet myself.

They do sound like they could come from someone who was never proud of her country until BHO saw success chasing the nomination. I'm not sure I would like a First Lady who says that America was founded on "crime and hatred."

This appears to be the racist source of the ignorant crap. I appears the racist moron had not read the thesis. He probably had difficulty with long words.

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