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Title: OK, so a new forum opens and I posted these two articles without comment, and immediately got banned. WTF?
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Published: May 10, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-10 13:46:57 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 4314
Comments: 203

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Thank you christine for allowing all POV to be discussed openly and freely. The 1st amendment is alive and well on 4um.

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#127. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull, christine, Peppa, Phant2000, All (#126)

You may well disagree, which is fine, but it's no secret that a number of people besides robin and me see something wrong with JT.

You are the victim of your own mouth, therefore may I assure you that people view you with equal disgust and utter disdain.. Your foul mouth is a positive indication of your moral character or lack thereof, followed by a childish third grade attempt to deny and subvert the obvious truth. You are a person in total lack of common civility and barren of even basic social manners.

Any assurance that I may have had that you were a person of acceptable decency and a practitioner of acceptable social mores was and is invalid. A self portrait was painted for all to see and it did not sell then, nor now.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   3:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Cynicom (#127)
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Your foul mouth is a positive indication of your moral character or lack thereof .... You are a person in total lack of common civility and barren of even basic social manners.

Cyni, all I see is a cogent, well expressed and well supported opinion from Neil. No foul mouth at all. No incivility. No bad manners.

But I do see a silly, frustrated old man trying to smear somebody with something that just isn't there.

If you disagree with Neil, say so and explain why -- and spare us the over the top bullshit.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   3:58:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: ... (#128)

all I see is a cogent, well expressed and well supported opinion from Neil.

No foul mouth at all. No incivility. No bad manners.

You've missed a few threads to the contrary. I've been the recipient myself, to my surprise. Silly old man? Trying to smear someone? Cyni adds intelligence, and maturity as well as decorum to 4um.

From my perspective you're sadly mistaken. Neil showed his mind on the thread where he went off the deep end for Obama and hasn't been quite right since. If you agree with his position, I'm sorry for you as well.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   6:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Pinguinite (#126)

JT was banned not before offering comment but very much after

I posted two articles and was banned BEFORE comment.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   7:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Pinguinite, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull, christine, Peppa (#126)

you are ignoring the fact that he and Robin have a long history here

Which makes me wonder why he was invited in the first place.


Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

farmfriend  posted on  2008-05-12   7:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Pinguinite (#122)

But you thought it would be a great idea to get rid of the bozo feature -- to change the rules -- because you didn't like what was getting posted here.

That's complete BS and you know it. The bozo was used by some here as a tool to demoralize, in the hopes of making that poster leave. christine and one poster in particular knows this is true. I saw it as no different than the goofy LF rating system which served to run off some very qualified new posters by making their comments all but invisible. As things stood, if a new poster came to 4um and didn't toe the D Party line, they would have been attacked by the usual suspects. That is no way to grow a forum, or welcome new ideas.

I love the clash of ideas, even your obscene cry for the abolishment of out 2nd. Please do offer that gem again sometime in the near future. It's always a laugh reading the wisdom of an ex pat.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   7:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Jethro Tull (#132)

If you don't want to be banned from forums, maybe it's not a good idea to issue what amounts to an assassination threat.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   7:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: aristeides (#133) (Edited)

If every socialist on the planet failed to wake up tomorrow, it would be a glorious day. I'm sure you agree. Of course that would mean PC (Peoples Collective) would be sans posters.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   7:46:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Jethro Tull (#134)

You say that, and you're puzzled that a forum would not want you?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   7:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: aristeides (#135)

Puzzled I was invited.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   7:51:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: aristeides (#133)

that's a stretch characterizing that "wish" or "fantasy" as an assassination threat. have you never had the thought that this world would be a lot better off without the likes of bush/cheney/neocons/et al as an example? there's been lots of times that i've wished for the demise of what i consider to be evil and dangerous people.

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   9:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

Puzzled I was invited.

Puzzling, indeed. Must have been a set up...or a mass mailing. I didn't get an invite, so it think it was intentional. Robin filtered me after logic had her spinning in a most uncomfortable way. She's not a lawyer.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   9:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: angle (#138)

Her turn to the political left, left her uncomfortable with all but fellow travelers, most of whom are D members and lawyers.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   9:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Arator (#137)

ping to #137

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   9:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: angle (#138)

I didn't get an invite, so it think it was intentional.

Story of my life, the only invitations I see are indications I should leave.

I snuck in here when Christine was not looking. Several people have told me where I should go but they suggest bad places. (unnamed)

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   9:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Jethro Tull (#139)

A singer with but one song to sing has a short life.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   9:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Cynicom (#142)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   9:42:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: farmfriend (#131)

Which makes me wonder why he was invited in the first place.

Curious, isn't it?

A schoolyard prank perhaps.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   9:50:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: ..., Cynicom (#128)

That's okay, dots. Cyni is entitled to his opinion of me and I respect that.

At this point I think that's the most constructive position I can take.

Thank you.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-12   10:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Jethro Tull (#130)

I posted two articles and was banned BEFORE comment.

Yes, I gathered that.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-12   10:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Jethro Tull (#139) (Edited)

Her turn to the political left, left her uncomfortable with all but fellow travelers, most of whom are D members and lawyers.

A cop who despises the rule of law.

What is wrong with this picture?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   10:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: angle (#129)

Neil showed his mind on the thread where he went off the deep end for Obama and hasn't been quite right since.

You're saying that Neil is dishonest and untrustworthy because he expressed a political opinion that you disagree with.

Why don't you post a list of the political opinions that you will allow us to hold?

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Pinguinite (#145)

hat's okay, dots. Cyni is entitled to his opinion of me and I respect that.

At this point I think that's the most constructive position I can take.

Thank you.

He has me on bozo anyway - so it doesn't matter.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Jethro Tull (#132)

But you thought it would be a great idea to get rid of the bozo feature -- to change the rules -- because you didn't like what was getting posted here.

That's complete BS and you know it.

JT, I'm fully confident that you honestly believe what you say. For my part, however, I'm confident that you despise Obama so very much to the point where you have fooled yourself into looking for excuses to discourage pro-Obama postings, viewing such excuses as actual reasons.

It's the same as you believing that I want to do away with the 2nd Amendment. That's a complete fabrication and there's no truth to it at all. Yet you believe it. Completely.

You see what you want to see. You wanted to see the bozo filter as a problem, and it was one. But only in your mind.

I don't doubt your sincerity though.

I love the clash of ideas, even your obscene cry for the abolishment of out 2nd. Please do offer that gem again sometime in the near future. It's always a laugh reading the wisdom of an ex pat.

Case in point. You see what you want to see, not what is real. I've qualified my meaning to you a half dozen or more times already, but to no effect.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-12   11:06:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

Puzzled I was invited.

I just spoke to Robin about this.

She says she specifically did not invite you. No PM. No email. No nothing.

And it makes sense given that you were instantly banned when you went over.

So I am sure you have a dodge to cover your deliberately misleading statement here, e.g., "When I said Robin invited me, what I really meant was ..... blah, blah, blah".

So let the tap dance begin. Morph your story for us.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Pinguinite (#150)

JT, I'm fully confident that you honestly believe what you say.

Likewise, you

For my part, however, I'm confident that you despise Obama so very much to the point where you have fooled yourself into looking for excuses to discourage pro-Obama postings, viewing such excuses as actual reasons.

My goodness, have you seen the material I have researched regarding Obama? MSM articles. The man is a big government, anti-gun socialist. Yes, I despise him and his politics. Toss in the cultists who fawn over him b/c of his color. If he were white, he'd be gone long ago (Geraldine Ferraro)

It's the same as you believing that I want to do away with the 2nd Amendment. That's a complete fabrication and there's no truth to it at all. Yet you believe it. Completely.

Lots here read your comment the same way. Please clarify your position once and for all.

You see what you want to see. You wanted to see the bozo filter as a problem, and it was one. But only in your mind.

I just pinged you to an example where I consider the bozo was used to discourage a poster from participation. Further, evidence is offered as to the actual number of bozo's the poster has. The poster stated he KNEW the correct number. Please tell me how people KNOW the number of bozo's another poster has?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   11:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: ... (#151)

Just like you KNOW the number of bozo's -MUD- has, eh?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Pinguinite (#126)

You may well disagree, which is fine, but it's no secret that a number of people besides robin and me see something wrong with JT.

Did it ever occur to you that you're a drag on 4um ?

Go worship your Marxist Establishment tool on robin's site maybe ?

You have very little respect left with Americans that don't slobber over racist Marxist gun grabbers, best to save that in a thimble somewhere no ?


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Pinguinite (#126)

Only bleeding hearts would be crying "victim" over something like this.

NOOOO you dint !!!


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:44:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Jethro Tull (#153) (Edited)

Just like you KNOW the number of bozo's -MUD- has, eh?

He said he had three. More than three confirmed to me that they had him on bozo. That's all I needed to know to call him a liar.

Get over it. People bozo's you because you acted like an asshole. Accept it and move on. The site changed the entire system just for you and you are still sulking like a child.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: aristeides (#133)

If you don't want to be banned from forums, maybe it's not a good idea to issue what amounts to an assassination threat.

You're probably THE most intellectually dishonest poster 4um has...and THAT is saying a MOUTH full...surprised you bother hanging around here since the People's Place opened up. Your kind hasn't changed their basic M.O. for a long time...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: aristeides (#135)

If every socialist on the planet failed to wake up tomorrow, it would be a glorious day. I'm sure you agree. Of course that would mean PC (Peoples Collective) would be sans posters.

You say that, and you're puzzled that a forum would not want you?

What a setup job by a bunch of America haters...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: christine (#137)

that's a stretch characterizing that "wish" or "fantasy" as an assassination threat. have you never had the thought that this world would be a lot better off without the likes of bush/cheney/neocons/et al as an example? there's been lots of times that i've wished for the demise of what i consider to be evil and dangerous people.

I knew it, you're a bitter-clinger too...=) heheheh


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Jethro Tull (#152)

For my part, however, I'm confident that you despise Obama so very much to the point where you have fooled yourself into looking for excuses to discourage pro-Obama postings, viewing such excuses as actual reasons.

My goodness, have you seen the material I have researched regarding Obama?

That's not what we're talking about JT. We're not talking about how good or bad Obama is. Read my statement again please. This is another example of you not seeing/reading objectively.

Lots here read your comment the same way. Please clarify your position once and for all.

I have. And you are not the only one seeing crooked. If you were, things would not have reached the point they have here on 4um. And now, elsewhere.

I may not be seeing straight either, for all I know. Anyone who claims to be certain of having a mind free of bias is a liar, really. What's that biblical quote about trying to remove a splinter from another person's eye when you have a plank in your own?

But as far as my position goes, you definitely don't understand it. And I have explained it. Many times.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-12   11:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: angle (#138)

Must have been a set up...

Progressives/Socialists/Communists are miserable creatures.

My theory is because they have to lock up their conscience in order to buy into the horrendous things they endorse, which goes against all that is freedom and liberty and good...has to suck to be one of them.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: FOH (#157)

ou're probably THE most intellectually dishonest poster 4um has..

To me, an intellectually dishonest poster is one who tosses out a vicious smear, as you just did above, without a shred of proof, as you just did above.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Pinguinite (#160)

That's not what we're talking about JT. We're not talking about how good or bad Obama is.

It never is, you clowns will never face the truth, never own up to reality and have to change the subject with long flowery piles of BULL SHIT...you keep falling like a rock for all to see.

Your demise was VERY unpredictable...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Pinguinite (#160)

This is another example of you not seeing/reading objectively.

Btw, you condescending rag doll...you really are not as bright as you believe yourself to be.

I have examples, but I'll refrain for the time being. This is too rich...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: ... (#156)

Get over it. People bozo's you because you acted like an asshole.

And some misuse it under multiple accounts, I suspect.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   11:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Jethro Tull (#139)

Her turn to the political left, left her uncomfortable with all but fellow travelers, most of whom are D members and lawyers.

That's a dark and ultimately very personally lonely place to be...lost in the wilderness.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   11:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Jethro Tull (#152)

Further, evidence is offered as to the actual number of bozo's the poster has. The poster stated he KNEW the correct number. Please tell me how people KNOW the number of bozo's another poster has?

Besides me peeking into the DB, only each member can know how many have bozo'd them. Someone had me on bozo recently but I don't know who it was. I didn't care enough to find out, and it's none of my business anyway.

It was you that posted the survey thread asking everyone how many had them on bozo. I don't think anyone suspected then that you were starting a campaign to do away with the filter.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-05-12   11:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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