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Title: OK, so a new forum opens and I posted these two articles without comment, and immediately got banned. WTF?
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Published: May 10, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-10 13:46:57 by Jethro Tull
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HERE Thank you christine for allowing all POV to be discussed openly and freely. The 1st amendment is alive and well on 4um.
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Our records show you have been banned from The People's Forum. If you have questions, please contact the Site Owner. Thank You!
Great responses on the thread !! LOLOL
Our records show you have been banned from The People's Forum. If you have questions, please contact the Site Owner. Thank You! Moloch-Murdoch ?
Pretty mild stuff JT ... was it a kiddie site ??? (Jus kiddin) !
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
The People's Forum? Never heard of it...any clue as to the site ownership?
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I think I went to the place just now, using google. It's like all brits and no politics. I'm sick of all the election crap here. It's like there's nothing else to talk about with some people.
Not sure who owns it. I got a PM, so I went over and saw some familiar names. Obviously all POV aren't welcome.
Actually, I dropped out of political things for the last 8 years, but this one is fascinating for me.
You're a tireless raiser of racial consciousness. Have you chosen a white leader yet?
Me lead? Nope. I join nothing, so I'm hardly a leader.
You silly. Who should be the leader of the white race? Who do white people need liberation from? Albanians? Of course the ADL is concerned. They should be.
I'll second that. If that is a new forum, good luck attracting new members. You have a link for the actual forum and not the stories? The ones I found were inactive.
http://policestateusa.net/
Hip Hip!
No way to grow a Forum, imho.
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, They don't want political argument. They want conformity and censorship. It will be a dust bin of socialism in a month or two.
Well Jethro, they came out of their hidey holes as predicted, and now have their own sandbox. We all know what little kids do in their sandbox, don't we????
JT, a birdie is whispering in my year that it was you who was not welcome there, not some some specific POV. Maybe you should make peace with the owner.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Yep, they did. Socialism/big central government can't be defended. Those of us who know robin from the various forums we've been on over the years know she is the one who changed, not us.She took a hard political left which is hard for those who love freedom to digest. Good luck to her and her band of lefties. When they want a rousing, no holds barred debate, they know where to find it :)
I tried. She called me a racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe *and* and Irish bastard. I was OK will all but the last slur :)
What's wrong with 'Irish'?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=78138&Disp=211#C211
Huh? I was fine with being called a bastard, but toss in Irish and that's as low as one can get. Total and complete cultural racism. I mean suppose I called you a magic carpet salesman?
Christine, you can call me a commie all you want but, I'm telling you, I NEVER joined the commies, not even at a time when not joining them prevented me from pursuing my PhD and forced me to accept a job way beneath my professional qualifications. In fact, I publicly quit, again, at great peril, first the communist-controlled student union and then a communist controlled trade union. Just kidding. You never called me a commie. It's possible that others did, but I don't keep track and I don't really care.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
So, you don't mind 'bastard' but you resent being called 'Irish'. Hmmm... A magic carpet salesman? What's that? I couldn't sell ice cream in New York. In July. And that's a fact. So you calling me a salesman... it just doesn't connect.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I'm totally kidding. We Irish bastards are a humerous lot :)
I believe it's spelled 'humerus'. Latin for shoulder.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
10-4 on the spell check reminder.
I got Vast right when I called him a gun-toting hippie. Hegel and Marx where they seem to fit, and Mikhail Bakunin and Jean Genet elsewhere.
Hmmmm
Bakunin???? Was he a sharp-shooter? I just got back from a little bit of plinking in my backyard. Can you take the eraser off a pencil from 40-50 yards? Coz I do it 50% of the time.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
The People's Forum? Is it just me or does that have a leftist sound to it. The People's Forum, The People's Republic of China, etc
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
That's why it's The People's forum. As in the People's Republic (of China) some people are more equal than other people.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
It does have a collectivist theme, doesn't it?
Amen to that! Good luck to her and her band of lefties. When they want a rousing, no holds barred debate, they know where to find it :) Is the People's Forum being run by Robin?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
It does have a collectivist theme, doesn't it? JUST a bit...;)
yes, it's Robin's forum.
For the record, I wish robin would come back. I didn't agree with her about Obama, but she was an inspiration in many other ways.
Well I won't be visiting. My small government views would not be deemed appropriate there.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
Yes, Robin is running it, she just opened it up yesterday or the day before. Got the email a couple of days ago, but just looked in yesterday.
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I wish her well in her new endeavor.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Nice Edwyn Collins vid.
Well, there is more to life than OBAMA, QUEEN HITLERY and McSTANKY !!! Plus, I'm drinkin some beer and having FUN ...
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
Taken by the body snatchers ... poor Robin.
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
I wasn't invited. LOL! I'm not surprised.
I feel slighted, no email, no nothing. Of course this was a spur of the moment thing, to found another forum. It happened so fast they they did not have time to mail out invitations to all of us.
I wasn't invited. LOL! I'm not surprised. I feel slighted, no email, no nothing. Of course this was a spur of the moment thing, to found another forum. It happened so fast they they did not have time to mail out invitations to all of us. You're just bitter. ;)
I think that is what Obummer said????? We white trash be bitter that the good life has passed us by????
You represent the reason why extended families were a "good thing" ... the kids, grand kids and great grand kids were INFORMED !
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation". Vladimir Lenin
Perhaps you have read this before...I have stated here many times that my Grandparents were born BEFORE the Civil War. They knew a lot of the men that participated in Americas loss and were related to Rutherford B. Hayes. How I wish now I had the opportunity to question them, to learn, not what schools teach, rather first hand knowledge.
I think that is what Obummer said????? We white trash be bitter that the good life has passed us by???? Yes. And get used to it. Your POV is warped. Sorry, but you're not invited to the New America. Just jiggle the 'change' in your pocket, and make it last./s
Neither was I. I'm devastated.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
LOL
Ah I see. And here I thought it was my positions on AGW as being part of the implementation of the NWO and my lack of enthusiasm for voting for CFR choices.
Well, if its robin's forum, that explains a lot. Here's the thing - Obama uses the Saul Alinsky Ju-Jitsu for his arguments. It is very much akin to Church Recruiting. That kind of argument produces a visceral reaction in people who don't blame others for their unhappiness OR who have had horrible experiences with religious twits. For me, that's part of my loathing of Obama. The man's method of laying it out tickles me the wrong way. robin, on the other hand, bought into it completely. Obama learned this as a community organizer. Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" is required reading and is the standard handbook for a lot of Democrat candidates. For people who believe in self-sufficiency, the thought of "Blame someone else then go git 'em!" is anathema.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
Why am I not surprised? She gave herself away LONG ago. Perhaps now the mood, conversation and communication will be more civil??? I sure hope so, as there are those who participate here who have a lot to offer. Stand tall, Christine ... we be getting rid of some of the trash on 4um as the People's Forum gathers it up.
robin, on the other hand, bought into it completely. And she used christine's dime and PM system to plan and execute her strategy. This is a person of high moral standing? Typical of the left.
Who do you think you are?
I don't "think", Fred, but KNOW I am a "trash picker".
None of your business Fred.
She didn't do that with me. She contacted me out of the blue through my regular email account - which she has had for five years or so. And I don't think she's been on since she said "bye". But the logs should show this in less than a minute. So there is no need to make accusations that she's skulking about on the PM. The logs will show when she came on and what she did while she was here.
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Well, I'm trying to figure out what is going on -- with multiple issues. robin bought into the Alinsky Ju-Jitsu entirely. That much I've figured out. She accepted the "You have a problem/you are miserable. I am the only solution" stuff. On the other hand, that kind of rhetoric completely repels me which explains why I react so violently to most leftist thought. Since they tend to use the same tactics and operate from the same playbook, it repels me entirely. Nobody tells me that I'm miserable and nobody tells me I have a problem and that they are the only solution to it. Thus, I never get "organized". Obama learned this as a community organizer. His campaign is based on simply expanding the methods nationally as opposed to working locally. It may also explain his negatives; a lot of people don't like Church Recruiting methods which operate along similar lines where you "create a need" for the Church with someone and then fill the need. Quite simply, if most forms of advertising and marketing don't work on you, you won't be attracted to Obama's campaign. In fact, you're likely to be repelled from it. That's where I'm at with the analysis so far. Next up is to get a copy of _Rules for Radicals_ and compare what it has to say with what I'm seeing. I'm willing to bet that is precisely what irks me about the Ferret. He uses many of the same strategies and ends up repelling me from his arguments as a result. One of Alinsky's methods is something I use at times and is something Obama uses constantly. That method is to inform people they don't live up to their own standards. Then you sell them yourself or your organization as a solution. I don't sell myself as a solution so I don't quite go that far, but I've got no problems in saying "If you don't like regime change in Iraq, then how can you advocate for it anywhere else, like Rhodesia or South Africa?" Obama also uses rapid-fire Socratic debate to initiate this as a one-way dialog with people to bring them over. Church recruiters do similar things and over time I've trained myself to respond to missionaries not with answers but with questions if they don't take "No thank you, go away" for an answer. The way to deal with someone involved in firing off a Socratic Debate with you is to respond in kind. Typically, they aren't prepared for it and aren't expecting it. Thus, you end up using their own tactics against them to a win. Its very slick, but the Alinsky tactics do not work on all people, especially if their target has been exposed to recruiting methods of religious groups that try to suck them in and have fended them off.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
Butt out old man.
Join your friends at the new site junior. Run and tell goldi, she will take care of it, kid.
You are as transparent a person as I have ever had the misfortune to meet. Join your own kind.
Take your own advice, please.
Not only do people like Obama because he manipulates them with dark psychology, but Obama also has an atomic mind control ray. It emits from the television during cat food commercials and ensnares anyone who stares on the cat on screen. Notice how more and more commercials have black cats in them?
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I wasn't invited. LOL! I'm not surprised. I'm shocked! I wasn't invited either. I am deeply wounded. I wonder if could be that I am not a big fan of Goobermunt Hellthcare? ;-) The name kind of gives it a certain panache: "The People's Forum". Kind of like: "The People's Republic".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Fred... We know WHO you are and have known for a long time.
Cute, but not helpful. The methods explain a lot about the "messianic" opinions of Obama as well as the negatives, assuming, of course, that I've got it right.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
Already robin is banning people as being disruptive.
mirage, This didn't just come on all of a sudden as it might appear IMO. One thing perhaps as an observation, is that comparing the 'debate' or lack thereof, to Obama's style of discussion, stands out. He never quite answers a direct question. This tactic was conveniently used through and buffered by the use of the bozo feature.. where answering a question or addressing issues, could be ignored, through the ease of just not 'seeing' it. As though ignoring it made it disappear. As such, the discussion began with the same 'stump speech' every day. A cultish oddity, like door knockers.
Fred .... Beware of the black hand of Cynicom. Mostly because it's all old and wrinkled and smells like Vicks Vaporub and stale ashtrays.
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Wherever you have people with strong opinions you are going to have conflicts, and not everyone was schooled by Amy Vanderbuilt and the Marquis des Queensbury would cause them to go: "Say what?" Robin, Gentle Robin, is going to find out quickly that "Wilbur Milquetoast" does not have the nerve to post on a forum and that people with strong opinions will strongly defend them.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Hmm? Reminds me of "Young Frankenstein".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
All one has to do is, "read" one of his speeches after the fact and like most politicians, it turns out to be 98 per cent BS. Oratory is the key to mesmerizing the sheep. Hitler was a master at it. Read his speech instead and it was totally flat. Sheep love to follow their idol while grazing. Give two people the same speech to use on two different audiences and you will find the key.
LOL!!!
Hee, hee.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Put it this way, this rupture did NOT happen over nite. Such events take orchestration.
I would tend to agree. I would think that there were hints of it in advance now looking back with the clarity of 20-20 hindsight.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Oratory is the key to mesmerizing the sheep. Hitler was a master at it. Read his speech instead and it was totally flat. Sheep love to follow their idol while grazing. Give two people the same speech to use on two different audiences and you will find the key. That is a great example cyni. That may explain the inability of his flock to defend his words. If we could only hear his 'music', we'd get it. How frustrating. We scrutinized his policy positions, votes, to his words, and when it did not square, we refused to humm along.
No, it didn't, but this answer just hit me so its new to me and not something that I had considered before. What I'm mostly curious about is ... am I even on the right track here? It all seems to line up too perfectly which makes me wonder if there is a flaw in my analysis.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
G'nite all. Off to watch 15 flew over the Cuckoos Nest. ;)
Oratory is the key to mesmerizing the sheep. Hitler was a master at it. Read his speech instead and it was totally flat. Sheep love to follow their idol while grazing. Give two people the same speech to use on two different audiences and you will find the key. That is a great example cyni. That may explain the inability of his flock to defend his words. If we could only hear his 'music', we'd get it. How frustrating. We scrutinized his policy positions, votes, to his words, and when it did not square, we refused to humm along. Nicely put - the both of you. As a student of logic and rhetoric I long ago learned to automatically look at an analyze what is actually being said. When you have a speaker who relies upon demgogic speech and vague assertions they have standard schticks that they rely upon. There are goodly number of posters on this forum, present company included, who don't just swoon over a candidate mouthing the right platitudes. I don't think Robin liked that because Oh'bummer was mouthing some of her favorite platitudes - like Goobermunt Controlled Hellthcare.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
It occurs to me, upon further cogitation, that what Robin appears to want is not a forum but an echo chamber.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Pep... When we the unwashed white trash...READ... what he had to say about small town Americans, it carried the message to us he intended. He was looking down his long elite nose at us. To those in attendance listening to the ...ORATORY... it went over their heads that he was walking on we white trtash Americans.
What I'm mostly curious about is ... am I even on the right track here? It all seems to line up too perfectly which makes me wonder if there is a flaw in my analysis. I'm not familiar with Alinsky, so I couldn't say. But the tactic you describe, sounds like it lines up so far. There is definitely something at work, and it is more than coincidental that a group of people decide at the exact same moment to peel off in a completely different idealogical direction, with the exact same fervor, and essentially adopt the same debate 'style'.
I have had the opportunity to watch Hillary and Robert Kennedy "work" a crowd and it was disgraceful. Both times I asked women leaving after the speech what the two had to say and the result was the same, "I dont what they said, but they said it nice"... Sheep...
It is also very VERY strange that people who were fervent Ron Paul supporters would pull an ideological 180-degree turn and start supporting a Socialist so fervently. Something doesn't add up in that. You don't go from limited government and libertarianism to massive Government Control and Socialism overnight unless something SERIOUS got tickled. More research is needed. Tomorrow I'll get a copy of Rules for Radicals and thumb through it, comparing to some of Obama's videos and post back to you what I find.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
As a student of logic and rhetoric I long ago learned to automatically look at an analyze what is actually being said. When you have a speaker who relies upon demgogic speech and vague assertions they have standard schticks that they rely upon. There are goodly number of posters on this forum, present company included, who don't just swoon over a candidate mouthing the right platitudes. I don't think Robin liked that because Oh'bummer was mouthing some of her favorite platitudes - like Goobermunt Controlled Hellthcare. Thank you OI. Perhaps she just heard what she wanted to, but so many know her history and intellect to rise far above such platitudes, that true concern and confusion set some extreme intervention into motion. And it was NOT invited.
I see it. It was overt and will not be forgotten. He intended to send that message.
Sadly, agreed. P.T. Barnum was an optimist - although a good judge of human nature. I wish I could argue otherwise but there are just too many people who will not look and will vote for any politician who says nice things and offers to give them things bought with other people's forcibly extracted labor.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Something doesn't add up in that. You don't go from limited government and libertarianism to massive Government Control and Socialism overnight unless something SERIOUS got tickled. Well, that's the same rock I've been beating my head against as well. More research is needed. Tomorrow I'll get a copy of Rules for Radicals and thumb through it, comparing to some of Obama's videos and post back to you what I find. That would be very much appreciated! Thanks!
G'nite again.. this time for sure.. :)
Come tuesday, I hope my white trash small town American friends send the SOB a strong message from KY and WV.
You are most welcome. I suspect so. Sometimes even intelligent people will allow one issue to override their good sense. The single issue "Abortion Voters" (on both sides) stand out as an example. I can even recall the comment made to me by one of the hard core pro-lifers (and I am pro-life myself) that "Abortion is not AN issue it is the ONLY issue". For Robin her issue appears to be government run healthcare, which she tries to insist will not be government run, and that overrides all other issues or considerations. She appears to so want to "believe in" the goodness of the "Single Payer" chimera that she will see no other consideration even though backed with sound reasoning. She has her mind made up and "does not want to be confused with the facts".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
So what was the "sound reasoning"? Did someone call her "penis breath" or did someone call her a "commie"? I haven't seen it get any deeper than that - save for the conspiracy theory that Obama now manipulates our minds.
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Yeah it amazes me how governments that don't give a shit about the people always seem to have that in the title.
Found another issue with how I react to Alinsky prodding that explains much. Alinsky-trained folks trying to convince people it is "unresponsive government" or "greedy corporations" that are the cause of their misery. The gotcha is that I view greedy corporations as investment opportunities and I think Government should just get out of my way and stop its growth as opposed to creating new programs. I am the wrong audience for that kind of "organizing".
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
She also believed in government regulation of the environment.
So, robin is the People's Place ? I'm tracking now...didn't know she'd already gotten a forum license from the central planners. ;)
You don't believe that the gov't is regulating the environment today and it's been doing so significantly for at least 3-5 decades? Think DDT, mandatory 1 gallon flushing toilets, asbestos bans, unleaded gas, winter and summer gas blends, wetlands, clean water and clean air acts, freon bans, mandatory recycling, the banning of cow farts... some of these are 40-50 years old.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
So do I. I love his promise to make people believe there is change, though they do not see it in their everyday lives. That said, he can believe they voted for him though it doesn't show up in the count. ;)
Pep... I suspect a lot of white guilters in public are closet racists when voting. Cyni...
That makes sense. Its just so odd considering her efforts to highlight the destruction of the middle class, JBT's etc.. Cockeyed. If sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la la la la la la la la, would fix things... I'd happily join in.
Alinsky-trained folks trying to convince people it is "unresponsive government" or "greedy corporations" that are the cause of their misery. The gotcha is that I view greedy corporations as investment opportunities and I think Government should just get out of my way and stop its growth as opposed to creating new programs. I am the wrong audience for that kind of "organizing". One problem is the complete sanctioned corruption of the system. To embrace more of it, is just nuts. The choices are eliminated by virtue of access. This forces people to accept the only 'solution' offered, which transforms itself into a cause.
I suspect a lot of white guilters in public are closet racists when voting. Cyni... I'd be shocked! ;)
So what was the "sound reasoning"? Did someone call her "penis breath" or did someone call her a "commie"? I haven't seen it get any deeper than that - save for the conspiracy theory that Obama now manipulates our minds. Sorry yuktard no cigar - and you are going to have to look elsewhere for your "penis fix". Have some more Sterno it helps reinforce your "world view".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Doesn't work. That's what got us to our current predicament.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Sorry I used the wrong childish insult in my example. My point is that what you call "sound reasoning" is usually the sort of juvenile insult you just used above. What I meant is that people probably acted like you are acting now in response to Robin's arguments. I didn't mean that you flung the specific piece of feces of "penis breath". I realize you have your own silly McCainBot stuff to toss out.
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Where there goes my backup plan! ;)
Voting and in the work place when a less qualified person bumps them out of the line b/c they are "guests" from some 3rd world slum or are simply more dusky.
...which explains the rabid nature of supporters. Guess I was born a hundred years too late.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
There is no conspiracy theory about it. Its a simple analysis of tactics. The fact that the tactics are generally successful has nothing to do with a "conspiracy" - it is how and what it is. Perhaps a little reading material would help. It will explain why the 'downtrodden' and the yutes are attracted -- but not many others. Its a handbook on how to get people "on" to your "cause" - nothing more, and it doesn't work on all people. Shows you how to make an argument and how to use the mob once you get it assembled. It still requires work to get the mob assembled. There is no magic bullet. There is no mind-control ray. Its just a psychological trick that happens to be able to zero-in on weaknesses and exploit them.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
Guess I was born a hundred years too late. LOL!!! I feel that way sometimes too!
My point is that what you call "sound reasoning" is usually the sort of juvenile insult you just used above. What I meant is that people probably acted like you are acting now in response to Robin's arguments. I didn't mean that you flung the specific piece of feces of "penis breath". I realize you have your own silly McCainBot stuff to toss out. There you demonstrate clearly that you are nothing other than a Troll looking to create hate and discontent. Please show any post of mine where I have ever supported McInsane. You cannot. You are simply trying to throw out childish temper tantrums and disinfo tactic lines to agitate people and distract them into your childish feces flinging.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Well, JT, obviously you were banned not because of what you posted but because of what you are. Robin knows you and doesn't want you around, and that's her prerogative -- one you no doubt respect as her right in spite of your rantings. It's really a sad thing. I'm sorry to see it come to this. But you thought it would be a great idea to get rid of the bozo feature -- to change the rules -- because you didn't like what was getting posted here. It just didn't reflect your own political views. So you wanted the rules changed, and you applied suitable pressure to change them, promising to leave 4um if they didn't. Well, they changed. I didn't think it was a good idea. Somehow Chrissy thought that 4um was being torn apart. It wasn't. But the attempt to fix it is what really tore it apart. So are you happy now, JT? Looks like there will be a lot less Obama advocacy here so I imagine you are. Still it seems is was not possible to objectively discuss Obama here, and probably many other places, so maybe this outcome was unavoidable.
To robin: a patriot and a lady. You are missed, and you are appreciated. Your differences with JT and others are triflings compared to what we face together. There is no need for schism among us. Nothing will be changed by the vettings of November. But change it will come.
Well Neil, as my dear, sweet mother used to say, "That's your tale, I'm sittin' on mine." Because JT was invited out before offering any comment and his contributions were valid and would likely be allowed to stay up at even the more extremely partisan forums, I could with unproven and therefore equally valid logic say that robin chose him and this indefensibly craven means to telegraph a chilling message to all. "You either genuflect and lower your eyes before the graven images of my deity or, you're simply not welcome." Robin knows as well as anyone that JT has a real talent for asking escape-proof questions that force hypocrites and tunnel vision sufferers to face facts that the cheerleaders and party hacks for their preferred candidates never allow in "polite conversation." I'm sorry to say that robin is so blinded by love that she is completely dedicated to ignoring the primary chancres (or tertiary scars) of her syphilitic lover. And, sooner or later JT would get around to presenting the medical prognosis and eventually the autopsy report, and she has no use for any truth that her candidate/lover would prefer that his loyalists ignore. So, once again you've been caught humping JT's leg while accusing the victim of "asking for it" as mentally disordered sex offenders so often do.
Your premise about JT's contributions being valid are subjective. JT was banned not before offering comment but very much after, as you are ignoring the fact that he and Robin have a long history here. Or one that seems quite long. Too long. You can say that, but not with logic. That's simply your opinion and one you are fully entitled to. As one who has sparred with JT, my experienced opinion is that JT does not defend his own positions and has consistently failed to make any effort to understand me. I've no reason to think he's any different with Robin or any others for that matter. You may well disagree, which is fine, but it's no secret that a number of people besides robin and me see something wrong with JT. Humping JT's leg? I've no idea where that's coming from. You're the one singing his praises. But JT is no victim and that he'll freely admit I'm sure. He knows it's Robin's forum and that she can kick out anyone she wants. Only bleeding hearts would be crying "victim" over something like this.
You are the victim of your own mouth, therefore may I assure you that people view you with equal disgust and utter disdain.. Your foul mouth is a positive indication of your moral character or lack thereof, followed by a childish third grade attempt to deny and subvert the obvious truth. You are a person in total lack of common civility and barren of even basic social manners. Any assurance that I may have had that you were a person of acceptable decency and a practitioner of acceptable social mores was and is invalid. A self portrait was painted for all to see and it did not sell then, nor now.
Cyni, all I see is a cogent, well expressed and well supported opinion from Neil. No foul mouth at all. No incivility. No bad manners. But I do see a silly, frustrated old man trying to smear somebody with something that just isn't there. If you disagree with Neil, say so and explain why -- and spare us the over the top bullshit.
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No foul mouth at all. No incivility. No bad manners. You've missed a few threads to the contrary. I've been the recipient myself, to my surprise. Silly old man? Trying to smear someone? Cyni adds intelligence, and maturity as well as decorum to 4um. From my perspective you're sadly mistaken. Neil showed his mind on the thread where he went off the deep end for Obama and hasn't been quite right since. If you agree with his position, I'm sorry for you as well.
I posted two articles and was banned BEFORE comment.
Which makes me wonder why he was invited in the first place.
That's complete BS and you know it. The bozo was used by some here as a tool to demoralize, in the hopes of making that poster leave. christine and one poster in particular knows this is true. I saw it as no different than the goofy LF rating system which served to run off some very qualified new posters by making their comments all but invisible. As things stood, if a new poster came to 4um and didn't toe the D Party line, they would have been attacked by the usual suspects. That is no way to grow a forum, or welcome new ideas. I love the clash of ideas, even your obscene cry for the abolishment of out 2nd. Please do offer that gem again sometime in the near future. It's always a laugh reading the wisdom of an ex pat.
If you don't want to be banned from forums, maybe it's not a good idea to issue what amounts to an assassination threat.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
If every socialist on the planet failed to wake up tomorrow, it would be a glorious day. I'm sure you agree. Of course that would mean PC (Peoples Collective) would be sans posters.
You say that, and you're puzzled that a forum would not want you?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Puzzled I was invited.
that's a stretch characterizing that "wish" or "fantasy" as an assassination threat. have you never had the thought that this world would be a lot better off without the likes of bush/cheney/neocons/et al as an example? there's been lots of times that i've wished for the demise of what i consider to be evil and dangerous people.
Puzzling, indeed. Must have been a set up...or a mass mailing. I didn't get an invite, so it think it was intentional. Robin filtered me after logic had her spinning in a most uncomfortable way. She's not a lawyer.
Her turn to the political left, left her uncomfortable with all but fellow travelers, most of whom are D members and lawyers.
ping to #137
Story of my life, the only invitations I see are indications I should leave. I snuck in here when Christine was not looking. Several people have told me where I should go but they suggest bad places. (unnamed)
A singer with but one song to sing has a short life.
Curious, isn't it? A schoolyard prank perhaps.
That's okay, dots. Cyni is entitled to his opinion of me and I respect that. At this point I think that's the most constructive position I can take. Thank you.
Yes, I gathered that.
A cop who despises the rule of law. What is wrong with this picture?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You're saying that Neil is dishonest and untrustworthy because he expressed a political opinion that you disagree with. Why don't you post a list of the political opinions that you will allow us to hold?
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At this point I think that's the most constructive position I can take. Thank you. He has me on bozo anyway - so it doesn't matter.
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JT, I'm fully confident that you honestly believe what you say. For my part, however, I'm confident that you despise Obama so very much to the point where you have fooled yourself into looking for excuses to discourage pro-Obama postings, viewing such excuses as actual reasons. It's the same as you believing that I want to do away with the 2nd Amendment. That's a complete fabrication and there's no truth to it at all. Yet you believe it. Completely. You see what you want to see. You wanted to see the bozo filter as a problem, and it was one. But only in your mind. I don't doubt your sincerity though. Case in point. You see what you want to see, not what is real. I've qualified my meaning to you a half dozen or more times already, but to no effect.
I just spoke to Robin about this. She says she specifically did not invite you. No PM. No email. No nothing. And it makes sense given that you were instantly banned when you went over. So I am sure you have a dodge to cover your deliberately misleading statement here, e.g., "When I said Robin invited me, what I really meant was ..... blah, blah, blah". So let the tap dance begin. Morph your story for us.
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JT, I'm fully confident that you honestly believe what you say. Likewise, you For my part, however, I'm confident that you despise Obama so very much to the point where you have fooled yourself into looking for excuses to discourage pro-Obama postings, viewing such excuses as actual reasons. My goodness, have you seen the material I have researched regarding Obama? MSM articles. The man is a big government, anti-gun socialist. Yes, I despise him and his politics. Toss in the cultists who fawn over him b/c of his color. If he were white, he'd be gone long ago (Geraldine Ferraro) It's the same as you believing that I want to do away with the 2nd Amendment. That's a complete fabrication and there's no truth to it at all. Yet you believe it. Completely. Lots here read your comment the same way. Please clarify your position once and for all. You see what you want to see. You wanted to see the bozo filter as a problem, and it was one. But only in your mind. I just pinged you to an example where I consider the bozo was used to discourage a poster from participation. Further, evidence is offered as to the actual number of bozo's the poster has. The poster stated he KNEW the correct number. Please tell me how people KNOW the number of bozo's another poster has?
Just like you KNOW the number of bozo's -MUD- has, eh?
Did it ever occur to you that you're a drag on 4um ? Go worship your Marxist Establishment tool on robin's site maybe ? You have very little respect left with Americans that don't slobber over racist Marxist gun grabbers, best to save that in a thimble somewhere no ?
NOOOO you dint !!! He said he had three. More than three confirmed to me that they had him on bozo. That's all I needed to know to call him a liar. Get over it. People bozo's you because you acted like an asshole. Accept it and move on. The site changed the entire system just for you and you are still sulking like a child.
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You're probably THE most intellectually dishonest poster 4um has...and THAT is saying a MOUTH full...surprised you bother hanging around here since the People's Place opened up. Your kind hasn't changed their basic M.O. for a long time...
You say that, and you're puzzled that a forum would not want you? What a setup job by a bunch of America haters...
I knew it, you're a bitter-clinger too...=) heheheh
That's not what we're talking about JT. We're not talking about how good or bad Obama is. Read my statement again please. This is another example of you not seeing/reading objectively. I have. And you are not the only one seeing crooked. If you were, things would not have reached the point they have here on 4um. And now, elsewhere. I may not be seeing straight either, for all I know. Anyone who claims to be certain of having a mind free of bias is a liar, really. What's that biblical quote about trying to remove a splinter from another person's eye when you have a plank in your own? But as far as my position goes, you definitely don't understand it. And I have explained it. Many times.
Progressives/Socialists/Communists are miserable creatures. My theory is because they have to lock up their conscience in order to buy into the horrendous things they endorse, which goes against all that is freedom and liberty and good...has to suck to be one of them.
To me, an intellectually dishonest poster is one who tosses out a vicious smear, as you just did above, without a shred of proof, as you just did above.
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It never is, you clowns will never face the truth, never own up to reality and have to change the subject with long flowery piles of BULL SHIT...you keep falling like a rock for all to see. Your demise was VERY unpredictable...
Btw, you condescending rag doll...you really are not as bright as you believe yourself to be. I have examples, but I'll refrain for the time being. This is too rich...
And some misuse it under multiple accounts, I suspect.
That's a dark and ultimately very personally lonely place to be...lost in the wilderness.
Besides me peeking into the DB, only each member can know how many have bozo'd them. Someone had me on bozo recently but I don't know who it was. I didn't care enough to find out, and it's none of my business anyway. It was you that posted the survey thread asking everyone how many had them on bozo. I don't think anyone suspected then that you were starting a campaign to do away with the filter.
good lord.....and good luck.
You do realize that as long as your sorry ass is webmaster of 4um, ultimately no one is going to trust their privacy on this site. You blew your credibility and all trust so that now the 4um is corrupt from the back office-out...unless of course one is an ObamaCON.
I assume you don't peek into anything, so lets take that off the table. Thiple dots claims to KNOWS the number of bozo's -MUD- has. Huh? He has to be wrong, right?
And some misuse it under multiple accounts, I suspect. As I have repeatedly told you, I had nothing to do with your bozo problems. And Neil can confirm this for you. Find another scape goat or accept responsibility for your actions.
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good lord.....and good luck. If that's all you have to say, I rest my case.
This is a simple case of he said/they say. Choose who you believe and move on. Probably safest to take both claims with a grain of salt and move on. The count doesn't matter anyway.
QUOTE 90. To: Neil McIver (#85) ---[snip]--- When did you re-write that mission statement to serve your purpose of the Libertarian point of view??? Did you run that one by me? No. How about John, Carter, Bob or Scott? No? Well 2 of them are Jewish and might have something to say about it as well. You may think you are the only person who owns this site, or manages it. You do have control of the software, because you were asked to write it AFTER it's mission was determined by others. But there are more people involved in this, and I intend to take this discussion to them for final resolution. Goldi-Lox posted on 2002-08-25 18:03:32 ET Reply Trace QUOTE 98. To: Neil McIver (#93) John will contact us tomorrow for a conference call. Be available 11:45-12:30 to discuss this. Even tho John has been silent, he is very much involved and interested in the future of this endeavor. Goldi-Lox posted on 2002-08-25 18:58:34 ET Reply Trace QUOTE 99. To: Arator (#96) ---[snip]--- I have notified our other main Partner, John, who will try to set this straight. His is the final word. There are more people involved in this than just me and Neil. There are at least 3 to 5 others who have a say, and who have to approve my resignation. ---[snip]--- Goldi-Lox posted on 2002-08-25 19:07:27 ET Reply Trace Knowing that psillysally the Israel firster was in a similar predicament with comrade Ping, how did she extricate herself and LP out from under this clod's presence ? Get a server and pay someone else ? Is she able to manage the software herself ?
Still just three...heck, I've been behaving myself...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I have three too Mud. I picked up a forth for a while recently, but they have taken me back off.
---[snip]--- When did you re-write that mission statement to serve your purpose of the Libertarian point of view??? Did you run that one by me? No. How about John, Carter, Bob or Scott? No? Well 2 of them are Jewish and might have something to say about it as well. You may think you are the only person who owns this site, or manages it. You do have control of the software, because you were asked to write it AFTER it's mission was determined by others. But there are more people involved in this, and I intend to take this discussion to them for final resolution. Goldi-Lox posted on 2002-08-25 18:03:32 ET Reply Trace You are not a trustworthy webmaster, Neil...
for the record, i want all to know that i trust you and your integrity as far as respecting member's privacy and the private mails.
Why ? He's not been trustworthy and dissed others before, as duly noted. His recent actions and comments also suggest that he's gone round the bend. If you ever want out of his clutches, there are people here interested in helping...
Puzzled I was invited. I just spoke to Robin about this. She says she specifically did not invite you. No PM. No email. No nothing. And it makes sense given that you were instantly banned when you went over. Tull is also denying now that he was approving the idea of assassinating Obama. Typical.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
That's right Mr. Neil. And you should consider it an honor to be under seige by the resident plaid-shirted, flat-topped Jouster For Jesus who can't distinguish you from his traditional adversaries, the local Bolshevik windmills. BTW, Do you believe in reincarnation? He's Baaaaack!
Both claims?
Thank you, chrissy. I think that question is pretty much just a byproduct of the grand general mess that things are in right now. That would be the same mess that most forums are in this election season.
How? By holding a different political view than you? Thank you for sharing this.
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Not sure who owns it. I got a PM, so I went over and saw some familiar names. Obviously all POV aren't welcome. Jethro Tull posted on 2008-05-10 14:01:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit Who said Robin invited me, counselor? Reading comprehension problem??
Yes, both. In case you didn't know, one person is claiming one number and another person is claiming a different number. That would be *2*, so yes, "both claims" is the correct syntax. My amazement at the communication difficulties here continues unabated....
That's the impression I got from you by your post #136 on this thread. I was a bit surprised to understand that Robin invited you. It makes a lot more sense that she wouldn't, and makes it no mystery that she banned you.
Why don't you explain the meaning of this? http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=1&Disp=127#C127 TPF ADMIN ALERTS See other TPF ADMIN ALERTS Articles Title: You're Invited! Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.the-peoples-forum.com Published: , Author: Post Date: 2008-05-08 22:47:46 by Robin Keywords: None Views: 721 Comments: 127 This appears to be an open invitation to all to join. It would be damned rude to extend such an open invitation to all (since the post is addressed to no one in particular) then to tell someone after they sign up that it didn't apply to her or him. So, may I assume that because robin has gnashed her teeth and refused to answer some of my questions in the past that despite the invitation I should expect the same treatment?
This medium leaves lots to be desired afa impressions. I think we can agree with that.
You can probably assume anything you want.
JT's a rotten person because a secret majority (including you and robin) agree on this. Okay, I got it now. Isn't it funny how people who are ill-equipped to host or grow a political discussion forum (and who've also been booted by petty tyrants themselves) would use the same self serving cheap shots (Nobody likes JT! trust me 'cause I speak for them! We had a meeting behind his back and it was unanimous....) are now attempting to create their own alternate political reality where "fairie tales can come true, it can happen to you"? I don't wish robin any misfortune but, she shouldn't be surprised if otherwise decent folk who may even agree with her politics don't take to heavy handed moderating because they've been victimized by that themselves and they feel that it's never justified against posters who simply state views outside the approved dogma. As some clever members here have said, perhaps she wants an echo chamber instead of an exchange of ideas. After all, she left here for the wrong reasons and that will always be a matter of record. I for one hope she softens her anger and returns or feels welcome to post if so moved, and I'll miss her. Despite the points on which we cannot agree I think she's a sweet, sensitive lady and I can't help but feel a genuine fondness for her.
Looks like a nonlawyer is using the kind of quibble here that lawyers get a bad name for using, JBT.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Your character shines through in every post.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Not a personal invite from the forum owner, I see. Kind of like a Ron Paul supporter crashing an republican open house.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
You can probably assume anything you want. Now, you see, you're getting surly with me because you dislike my pointed but civil questions. It should come as no surprise that JT sensed that from you and not from me in the past, and that's why he and I can have spirited discussions without going for the throat. Perhaps you should take responsibility for the replies you received instead of painting others as "bad people" because your feelings were hurt.
Thank you.
I'm not going for the throat. I'm going for the door. You truly can assume anything you want about robin. Everyone can. And everyone can assume what they want about JT. These assumptions can be based in fact, or they can be based on mere fantasies. Both are just as valid in the mind of the beholder. JT and I cannot communicate. That's been demonstrated for the last month or two. There's no point our continuing to try. And by "going for the door", I just mean I don't want to waste my time trying to talk to people who won't understand me.
Strange
when the same people engaging in this behavior claim the two-party system is
phony and it makes no difference. Yes, it's hard for me to
believe that those who are so passionate about running down Obama are not
hoping for Cain to win. If they are the same, then why expel all the negative
energy? I've asked that several times. It will be one of the two.
****** Neil. Your comment above is from PC
(Peoples Collective). It's absurd for many reasons, but the biggest reason is
that I won't be voting in this selection, period. You know this - or should -
because I‘ve held this belief for years now. Using your logic, since I
attacked Bush more than Kerry in ‘04, yet didn’t vote, would that have made me
a Kerry supporter? And about this "negative energy" (your words) I launch
toward Obama, well that’s b/c he's the winner of this years ugly baby contest.
He's a socialist, gun grabber, with questionable ties to radical black
nationalists and white miscreants. So lets have at it. Please
pick any topic, foreign or domestic, and I’ll make my case against Obama. I'll
be delighted to show you why Obama isn't worthy to shine our collective shoes.
No deal. I stand by these words: It's been proven again on this very thread on this very morning. Another year, perhaps.
Sniff, sniff.....
Someone else is bound to pick up the offer. I am looking forward to hearing it.
Is there enough money in it to make it worth while????
Really now, offering money is an insult. It's about the greater good, and I would expect them to refuse such a crass offer. Can't even get takers on sure thing bets. So, I look to the truly inspired, to offer the same.
Error: Account Banned
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
White Guilt and the Western Past Why is America so delicate with the enemy?
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
Error: Account Banned
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
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#7. To: noone222, FOH, Mudboy Slim (#4)
#8. To: nobody (#6)
I'm sick of all the election crap here.
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
#10. To: nobody (#9)
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Thank you christine for allowing all POV to be discussed openly and freely. The 1st amendment is alive and well on 4um.
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Thank you christine for allowing all POV to be discussed openly and freely. The 1st amendment is alive and well on 4um.
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
"...all POV aren't welcome."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#15. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Not sure who owns it. I got a PM, so I went over and saw some familiar names. Obviously all POV aren't welcome.
#18. To: Cynicom (#16)
Well Jethro, they came out of their hidey holes as predicted, and now have their own sandbox.
#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#17)
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#21. To: Red Jones, Arator, robin (#19)
#22. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)
What's wrong with 'Irish'?
#23. To: christine (#21)
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
(Edited)
#25. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#25)
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#26)
#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#24)
#29. To: buckeye (#28)
I got Vast right when I called him a gun-toting hippie. Hegel and Marx where they seem to fit, and Mikhail Bakunin and Jean Genet elsewhere.
#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)
"So, you don't mind 'bastard' but you resent being called 'Irish'. Hmmm..."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#31. To: buckeye (#28)
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
They don't want political argument. They want conformity and censorship. It will be a dust bin of socialism in a month or two.
#34. To: Hayek Fan (#32)
The People's Forum?
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
Those of us who know robin from the various forums we've been on over the years know she is the one who changed, not us.She took a hard political left which is hard for those who love freedom to digest.
#36. To: Jethro Tull, Hayek Fan, buckeye (#34)
The People's Forum?
#37. To: Hayek Fan (#35)
#38. To: christine, a vast rightwing conspirator, Zoroaster, bush_is_a_moonie, Jethro Tull, FOH (#37)
#39. To: christine (#37)
yes, it's Robin's forum.
#40. To: Whose 4UM is it anyways !!!!!!! (#35)
#41. To: Hayek Fan (#35)
Is the People's Forum being run by Robin?
#42. To: ... (#41)
Yes, Robin is running it, she just opened it up yesterday or the day before. Got the email a couple of days ago, but just looked in yesterday.
#43. To: noone222 (#40)
#44. To: buckeye (#43)
#45. To: ... (#41)
Yes, Robin is running it, she just opened it up yesterday or the day before. Got the email a couple of days ago, but just looked in yesterday.
#46. To: Hayek Fan, christine (#39)
Well I won't be visiting. My small government views would not be deemed appropriate there.
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#47. To: farmfriend (#46)
I wasn't invited. LOL! I'm not surprised.
#48. To: Cynicom (#47)
To: farmfriend
#49. To: Peppa (#48)
You're just bitter. ;)
#50. To: Cynicom (#47)
#51. To: noone222 (#50)
#52. To: Cynicom (#49)
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#53. To: farmfriend (#46)
I wasn't invited. LOL! I'm not surprised.
#54. To: Hayek Fan (#53)
Neither was I. I'm devastated.
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#55. To: Cynicom (#47)
Of course this was a spur of the moment thing, to found another forum. It happened so fast they they did not have time to mail out invitations to all of us.
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#56. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#0)
#57. To: Cynicom, Christine, All (#55)
Of course this was a spur of the moment thing, to found another forum. It happened so fast they they did not have time to mail out invitations to all of us.
#58. To: mirage (#56)
For me, that's part of my loathing of Obama. The man's method of laying it out tickles me the wrong way.
#59. To: Phant2000 (#57)
...we be getting rid of some of the trash on 4um as the People's Forum gathers it up.
#60. To: Fred Mertz (#59)
Who do you think you are?
#61. To: Fred Mertz (#59)
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#58)
And she used christine's dime and PM system to plan and execute her strategy.
#63. To: Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike (#58)
And she used christine's dime and PM system to plan and execute her strategy. This is a person of high moral standing? Typical of the left.
#64. To: Cynicom (#61)
#65. To: Fred Mertz (#64)
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#66. To: Cynicom (#65)
Butt out old man.
#67. To: Fred Mertz (#66)
#68. To: Cynicom (#67)
Butt out old man.
#69. To: Fred Mertz (#66)
Butt out ...
#70. To: Phant2000 (#69)
Who do you think you are?
#71. To: mirage (#63)
#72. To: farmfriend, Hayek Fan, christine (#46)
Well I won't be visiting. My small government views would not be deemed appropriate there.
#73. To: Fred Mertz (#70)
#74. To: ... (#71)
#75. To: Original_Intent (#72)
#76. To: mirage (#63)
Next up is to get a copy of _Rules for Radicals_ and compare what it has to say with what I'm seeing.
#77. To: Cynicom, Fred Mertz (#73)
We know WHO you are and have known for a long time.
#78. To: Cynicom (#75)
Already robin is banning people as being disruptive.
#79. To: Peppa (#76)
As such, the discussion began with the same 'stump speech' every day. A cultish oddity, like door knockers.
#80. To: Peppa (#76)
As such, the discussion began with the same 'stump speech' every day. A cultish oddity, like door knockers.
#81. To: Original_Intent (#79)
Hmm? Reminds me of "Young Frankenstein".
#82. To: Peppa (#81)
#83. To: Original_Intent (#78)
#84. To: Cynicom (#83)
Put it this way, this rupture did NOT happen over nite. Such events take orchestration.
#85. To: Cynicom (#80)
All one has to do is, "read" one of his speeches after the fact and like most politicians, it turns out to be 98 per cent BS.
#86. To: Peppa (#76)
This didn't just come on all of a sudden as it might appear IMO.
#87. To: All (#85)
#88. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#85)
(Edited)
All one has to do is, "read" one of his speeches after the fact and like most politicians, it turns out to be 98 per cent BS.
#89. To: Cynicom (#83)
Put it this way, this rupture did NOT happen over nite. Such events take orchestration.
#90. To: Peppa (#85)
#91. To: mirage (#86)
No, it didn't, but this answer just hit me so its new to me and not something that I had considered before.
#92. To: Original_Intent (#88)
There are goodly number of posters on this forum, present company included, who don't just swoon over a candidate mouthing the right platitudes. I don't think Robin liked that because Oh'bummer was mouthing some of her favorite platitudes - like Goobermunt Controlled Hellthcare.
#93. To: Peppa (#91)
There is definitely something at work, and it is more than coincidental that a group of people decide at the exact same moment to peel off in a completely different idealogical direction, with the exact same fervor, and essentially adopt the same debate 'style'.
#94. To: Original_Intent (#88)
Nicely put - the both of you.
#95. To: Cynicom (#90)
When we the unwashed white trash...READ... what he had to say about small town Americans, it carried the message to us he intended. He was looking down his long elite nose at us. To those in attendance listening to the ...ORATORY... it went over their heads that he was walking on we white trtash Americans.
#96. To: Cynicom (#92)
#97. To: mirage (#93)
It is also very VERY strange that people who were fervent Ron Paul supporters would pull an ideological 180-degree turn and start supporting a Socialist so fervently.
#98. To: All (#97)
#99. To: Peppa (#95)
#100. To: Peppa (#94)
Thank you OI.
Perhaps she just heard what she wanted to, but so many know her history and intellect to rise far above such platitudes, that true concern and confusion set some extreme intervention into motion. And it was NOT invited.
#101. To: Original_Intent (#100)
.... even though backed with sound reasoning.
#102. To: Original_Intent (#72)
Kind of like: "The People's Republic".
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#103. To: Peppa (#97)
#104. To: Original_Intent (#100)
For Robin her issue appears to be government run healthcare, which she tries to insist will not be government run, and that overrides all other issues or considerations.
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
Not sure who owns it. I got a PM, so I went over and saw some familiar names. Obviously all POV aren't welcome.
#106. To: farmfriend (#104)
(Edited)
She also believed in government regulation of the environment.
#107. To: Cynicom (#99)
Come tuesday, I hope my white trash small town American friends send the SOB a strong message from KY and WV.
#108. To: Peppa (#107)
That said, he can believe they voted for him though it doesn't show up in the count. ;)
#109. To: Original_Intent (#100)
I suspect so. Sometimes even intelligent people will allow one issue to override their good sense. The single issue "Abortion Voters" (on both sides) stand out as an example. I can even recall the comment made to me by one of the hard core pro-lifers (and I am pro-life myself) that "Abortion is not AN issue it is the ONLY issue". For Robin her issue appears to be government run healthcare, which she tries to insist will not be government run, and that overrides all other issues or considerations. She appears to so want to "believe in" the goodness of the "Single Payer" chimera that she will see no other consideration even though backed with sound reasoning. She has her mind made up and "does not want to be confused with the facts".
#110. To: mirage (#103)
(Edited)
Found another issue with how I react to Alinsky prodding that explains much.
#111. To: Cynicom (#108)
Pep...
#112. To: ... (#101)
.... even though backed with sound reasoning.
#113. To: Peppa (#109)
If sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la la la la la la la la, would fix things... I'd happily join in.
#114. To: Original_Intent (#112)
Have some more Sterno it helps reinforce your "world view".
#115. To: Original_Intent (#113)
Doesn't work. That's what got us to our current predicament.
#116. To: Cynicom (#108)
I suspect a lot of white guilters in public are closet racists when voting.
#117. To: Peppa (#110)
This forces people to accept the only 'solution' offered, which transforms itself into a cause.
#118. To: ... (#101)
the conspiracy theory that Obama now manipulates our minds
#119. To: mirage (#117)
...which explains the rabid nature of supporters.
#120. To: mirage (#118)
It will explain why the 'downtrodden' and the yutes are attracted -- but not many others.
#121. To: ... (#114)
(Edited)
Sorry I used the wrong childish insult in my example.
#122. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#0)
#123. To: Pinguinite, robin (#122)
It's really a sad thing.
#124. To: Pinguinite (#122)
Still it seems is was not possible to objectively discuss Obama here
#125. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull, christine (#122)
(Edited)
Well, JT, obviously you were banned not because of what you posted but because of what you are. Robin knows you and doesn't want you around, and that's her prerogative -- one you no doubt respect as her right in spite of your rantings.
#126. To: HOUNDDAWG (#125)
Well Neil, as my dear, sweet mother used to say, "That's your tale, I'm sittin' on mine."
Because JT was invited out before offering any comment and his contributions were valid and would likely be allowed to stay up at even the more extremely partisan forums,
I could with unproven and therefore equally valid logic say that robin chose him and this indefensibly craven means to telegraph a chilling message to all. "You either genuflect and lower your eyes before the graven images of my deity or, you're simply not welcome."
Robin knows as well as anyone that JT has a real talent for asking escape-proof questions that force hypocrites and tunnel vision sufferers to face facts that the cheerleaders and party hacks for their preferred candidates never allow in "polite conversation."
So, once again you've been caught humping JT's leg while accusing the victim of "asking for it" as mentally disordered sex offenders so often do.
#127. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull, christine, Peppa, Phant2000, All (#126)
You may well disagree, which is fine, but it's no secret that a number of people besides robin and me see something wrong with JT.
#128. To: Cynicom (#127)
(Edited)
Your foul mouth is a positive indication of your moral character or lack thereof .... You are a person in total lack of common civility and barren of even basic social manners.
#129. To: ... (#128)
all I see is a cogent, well expressed and well supported opinion from Neil.
#130. To: Pinguinite (#126)
JT was banned not before offering comment but very much after
#131. To: Pinguinite, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull, christine, Peppa (#126)
you are ignoring the fact that he and Robin have a long history here
Thought for the day:
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
#132. To: Pinguinite (#122)
But you thought it would be a great idea to get rid of the bozo feature -- to change the rules -- because you didn't like what was getting posted here.
#133. To: Jethro Tull (#132)
#134. To: aristeides (#133)
(Edited)
#135. To: Jethro Tull (#134)
#136. To: aristeides (#135)
#137. To: aristeides (#133)
#138. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
Puzzled I was invited.
#139. To: angle (#138)
#140. To: Arator (#137)
#141. To: angle (#138)
I didn't get an invite, so it think it was intentional.
#142. To: Jethro Tull (#139)
#143. To: Cynicom (#142)
#144. To: farmfriend (#131)
Which makes me wonder why he was invited in the first place.
#145. To: ..., Cynicom (#128)
#146. To: Jethro Tull (#130)
I posted two articles and was banned BEFORE comment.
#147. To: Jethro Tull (#139)
(Edited)
Her turn to the political left, left her uncomfortable with all but fellow travelers, most of whom are D members and lawyers.
#148. To: angle (#129)
Neil showed his mind on the thread where he went off the deep end for Obama and hasn't been quite right since.
#149. To: Pinguinite (#145)
hat's okay, dots. Cyni is entitled to his opinion of me and I respect that.
#150. To: Jethro Tull (#132)
But you thought it would be a great idea to get rid of the bozo feature -- to change the rules -- because you didn't like what was getting posted here.
That's complete BS and you know it.
I love the clash of ideas, even your obscene cry for the abolishment of out 2nd. Please do offer that gem again sometime in the near future. It's always a laugh reading the wisdom of an ex pat.
#151. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
Puzzled I was invited.
#152. To: Pinguinite (#150)
#153. To: ... (#151)
#154. To: Pinguinite (#126)
You may well disagree, which is fine, but it's no secret that a number of people besides robin and me see something wrong with JT.
#155. To: Pinguinite (#126)
Only bleeding hearts would be crying "victim" over something like this.
#156. To: Jethro Tull (#153)
(Edited)
Just like you KNOW the number of bozo's -MUD- has, eh?
#157. To: aristeides (#133)
If you don't want to be banned from forums, maybe it's not a good idea to issue what amounts to an assassination threat.
#158. To: aristeides (#135)
If every socialist on the planet failed to wake up tomorrow, it would be a glorious day. I'm sure you agree. Of course that would mean PC (Peoples Collective) would be sans posters.
#159. To: christine (#137)
that's a stretch characterizing that "wish" or "fantasy" as an assassination threat. have you never had the thought that this world would be a lot better off without the likes of bush/cheney/neocons/et al as an example? there's been lots of times that i've wished for the demise of what i consider to be evil and dangerous people.
#160. To: Jethro Tull (#152)
For my part, however, I'm confident that you despise Obama so very much to the point where you have fooled yourself into looking for excuses to discourage pro-Obama postings, viewing such excuses as actual reasons.
My goodness, have you seen the material I have researched regarding Obama?
Lots here read your comment the same way. Please clarify your position once and for all.
#161. To: angle (#138)
Must have been a set up...
#162. To: FOH (#157)
ou're probably THE most intellectually dishonest poster 4um has..
#163. To: Pinguinite (#160)
That's not what we're talking about JT. We're not talking about how good or bad Obama is.
#164. To: Pinguinite (#160)
This is another example of you not seeing/reading objectively.
#165. To: ... (#156)
Get over it. People bozo's you because you acted like an asshole.
#166. To: Jethro Tull (#139)
Her turn to the political left, left her uncomfortable with all but fellow travelers, most of whom are D members and lawyers.
#167. To: Jethro Tull (#152)
Further, evidence is offered as to the actual number of bozo's the poster has. The poster stated he KNEW the correct number. Please tell me how people KNOW the number of bozo's another poster has?
#168. To: Pinguinite (#160)
That's not what we're talking about JT. We're not talking about how good or bad Obama is. Read my statement again please. This is another example of you not seeing/reading objectively.
#169. To: Pinguinite (#167)
Besides me peeking into the DB
#170. To: Pinguinite (#167)
#171. To: Jethro Tull (#165)
Get over it. People bozo's you because you acted like an asshole.
#172. To: Jethro Tull (#168)
#173. To: Jethro Tull (#170)
He has to be wrong, right?
#174. To: Jethro Tull (#168)
The following hissy-fit by Goldi-Lox is found here: LP Notice: Israeli/Palistinian Conflict Section:
#175. To: Jethro Tull, ... (#153)
"Just like you KNOW the number of bozo's -MUD- has, eh?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#176. To: Mudboy Slim (#175)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#177. To: Neil McIver (#174)
90. To: Neil McIver (#85)
#178. To: Pinguinite, ALL (#167)
#179. To: christine (#178)
for the record, i want all to know that i trust you and your integrity as far as respecting member's privacy and the private mails.
#180. To: ..., Jethro Tull (#151)
#181. To: christine, Pinguinite (#178)
(Edited)
for the record, i want all to know that i trust you and your integrity as far as respecting member's privacy and the private mails.
#182. To: Jethro Tull (#173)
Probably safest to take both claims with a grain of salt and move on.
#183. To: christine (#178)
#184. To: FOH (#179)
He's not been trustworthy and dissed others before, as duly noted.
#185. To: aristeides (#180)
#7. To: noone222, FOH, Mudboy Slim (#4)
#186. To: angle (#182)
Both claims?
#187. To: Jethro Tull (#185)
Who said Robin invited me, counselor?
#188. To: aristeides, Jethro Tull, christine (#180)
#189. To: Pinguinite (#187)
#190. To: HOUNDDAWG (#188)
So, may I assume that because robin has gnashed her teeth and refused to answer some of my questions in the past that despite the invitation I should expect the same treatment?
#191. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull, christine, Ferret Mike (#126)
You may well disagree, which is fine, but it's no secret that a number of people besides robin and me see something wrong with JT.
#192. To: Jethro Tull (#185)
(Edited)
Who said Robin invited me, counselor?
#193. To: HOUNDDAWG (#191)
Despite the points on which we cannot agree I think she's a sweet, sensitive lady and I can't help but feel a genuine fondness for her.
#194. To: Jethro Tull (#136)
(Edited)
Puzzled I was invited.
#195. To: Pinguinite (#190)
So, may I assume that because robin has gnashed her teeth and refused to answer some of my questions in the past that despite the invitation I should expect the same treatment?
#196. To: angle (#193)
#197. To: HOUNDDAWG (#195)
It should come as no surprise that JT sensed that from you and not from me in the past, and that's why he and I can have spirited discussions without going for the throat.
#198. To: Pinguinite (#197)
JT and I cannot communicate.
#199. To: Jethro Tull (#198)
So lets have at it. Please pick any topic, foreign or domestic, and I’ll make my case against Obama. I'll be delighted to show you why Obama isn't worthy to shine our collective shoes.
JT and I cannot communicate.
#200. To: Pinguinite (#199)
Another year, perhaps.
#201. To: Jethro Tull (#198)
So lets have at it. Please pick any topic, foreign or domestic, and I’ll make my case against Obama. I'll be delighted to show you why Obama isn't worthy to shine our collective shoes.
#202. To: Peppa (#201)
Someone else is bound to pick up the offer. I am looking forward to hearing it.
#203. To: Cynicom (#202)
(Edited)
Is there enough money in it to make it worth while????
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