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Title: Obama's real family history is mostly myth; Bigamy, violence, drunken crashes, deceit ... the real history of the man who may be America's first black President. Barack Obama's book portrays his father as a Kenyan goatherd who lived the American dream ... the truth, though, is very different
Source: The Saturday Star (South Africa)
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Published: Feb 3, 2007
Author: The Saturday Star (South Africa)
Post Date: 2008-05-10 17:45:28 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 1635
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Obama's real family history is mostly myth; Bigamy, violence, drunken crashes, deceit ... the real history of the man who may be America's first black President. Barack Obama's book portrays his father as a Kenyan goatherd who lived the American dream ... the truth, though, is very different, writes Sharon Churcher.(News)

From:
The Saturday Star (South Africa)
Date:
February 3, 2007
More results for:
obama's father

It is a classic story of the American dream made real: an impoverished Kenyan goatherder rising to become a brilliant Harvard-educated economist. On the way he fights racial prejudice at home and corruption at work, survives the heartbreak of a broken relationship and, despite it all, leads the fight to rid Africa of its colonial legacy.

This extraordinary story is told by US presidential hopeful Barack Obama as he recalls the life of the man who inspired him - his father.

Obama's book, Dreams From My Father, is flying off the shelves, exciting and astonishing readers. It is a bestseller, and no wonder - because the story just gets better and better.

Obama is already Democratic senator for Illinois. Now he is in the running to be the first black president in the country's history.

"My story is part of the larger American story," he declared in the electrifying speech that won him his Senate seat just two years ago. "In no other country on Earth is my story even possible."

Many believe Obama is a serious threat to Hillary Clinton's hopes of becoming the Democrats' choice for their next presidential candidate - and his lovingly written account of the debt he owes his father, also called Barack Obama, will do him no harm.

Yet an investigation by The Mail on Sunday has revealed that, for all of Obama's reputation for straight talking and the compelling narrative of his recollections, they are largely myth. We have discovered that his father was not just a deeply flawed individual but an abusive bigamist and an egomaniac, whose life was ruined not by racism or corruption but his own weaknesses.

And, devastatingly, the testimony has come from Obama's own relatives and family friends.

Charismatic and with movie-star looks, Barack Obama Jnr has managed to steal some of Hillary Clinton's most influential supporters in the three weeks since he entered the US presidential race.

The 45-year-old lawyer depicts himself as a fresh voice for voters tired of the divisive rhetoric and self-serving ambition of established politicians on each side of the Democrat-Republican divide.

His campaign to become the first black president is inspired, he says, by his love of the country that allowed his father to triumph against odds.

Barrack Obama Snr started life with the advantage of being able to read and write, but he also felt a profound sense of injustice. His father was a cook for British settlers in Kenya, who demeaningly called him their "boy".

Grandfather Obama sent his son to a missionary school, but after completing his education, the youth could find little work except goatherding in his remote village of Nyangoma Kogela, in the roadless hills of Western Kenya.

At 18 he married a girl called Kezia. But Obama Snr was more interested in politics and economics than his family, and his political leanings had been brought to the notice of leaders of the Kenyan independence movement.

He was put forward for an American-sponsored scholarship in economics, with the idea being that he would eventually use his Western-honed skills in the new Kenya. At the age of 23 he headed for university in Hawaii, leaving behind the pregnant Kezia and their baby son.

Relatives say he was already a slick womaniser and, once in Honolulu, he promptly persuaded a student called Ann - a naive 18-year-old white girl - to marry him. Barack Jnr was born in 1961.

Two years later, Obama Snr was on the move again. He was accepted at Harvard, and left his little boy and wife behind.

Obama Jnr claims that racism on both sides of the family destroyed the marriage between his mother and father. In his book, he says Ann's mother did not want a black son-in-law, and Obama Snr's father "didn't want the Obama blood sullied by a white women".

In fact Ann divorced her husband after she discovered his bigamous double life. She remarried and moved to Indonesia with young Barack and her new husband, an oil company manager.

Obama Snr was forced to return to Kenya, where he fathered two more children by Kezia. He was eventually hired as a top civil servant - and married yet again.

Now prosperous with a flashy car and good salary, his third wife was an American-born teacher called Ruth, whom he had met at Harvard while still legally married to both Kezia and Ann, and who followed him to Africa.

It is alleged that Ruth finally divorced him after he repeatedly flew into whisky-fuelled rages, beating her brutally. He lost both his legs while driving under the influence and also lost his job.

However, this was no bar to his womanising: he sired a son, his eight child, by yet another woman and continued to come home drunk. He was about to marry her when he died in yet another drunken crash when Obama was 21.

Obama's 40-year-old cousin Said Hussein Obama told The Mail on Sunday: "Clearly Barack has been very deeply affected by what he has learnt about his father, who was my father's older brother.

"You have to remember that his father was an African, and in Africa, polygamy is part of life.

"We have assured Barack that his father was a loving person but at times it must be difficult for him to reconcile this with his father's drinking and simultaneous marriages."

Far from being an inspiration, the father whom Obama was coming to know seemed like a total stranger. In his book, he attempts to put the best face on it. His father, he writes, lost his civil service job after campaigning against corrupt African politicians who had "taken the place of the white colonials".

One of Obama Snr's former drinking partners, Kenyan writer Philip Ochieng Ochieng says, however, his friend's downfall was his weak character.

"Although charming, generous and extraordinarily clever, Obama Snr was also imperious, cruel and given to boasting about his brain and wealth.

"He was excessively fond of Scotch. He had fallen into the habit of going home drunk every night. His boasting proved his undoing and left him without a job, plunged him into prolonged poverty and dangerously wounded his ego."

In fact he was a menace to life, said Ochieng. "He was just like Mr Toad (from The Wind in the Willows), very arrogant on the road, especially when he had whisky inside. I was not surprised when I learnt how he died."

Ruth refused to comment on the abuse charges when we tracked her down to the Kenyan school where she now works.

She said: "Barack's father was a very difficult man. Although I was married to him the longest of any of his wives, he wasn't an easy person to be around."

Obama has acknowledged that his father grappled with a drinking problem. But with a gift for words, he has turned it into another component of the myth.

Drink, he says, like drugs, are one of "the traps that seem laid in a black man's soul".

Obama claims that he, too, has been racially abused.

His mother sent him back to Hawaii, where he was admitted to a prep school, Punahau Academy, and lived with his maternal grandparents.

And while there, says Obama, he was tortured by fellow pupils - who let out monkey hoots - and turned into a disenchanted teenage rebel, experimenting with cocaine and marijuana.

Obama says his soaring dream of a better America grew out of his hurt and pain.

Friends, however, remember his school days differently. He was a spoilt high-achiever, they recall.

One of his former classmates, Alan Lum, said: "Hawaii is such a melting pot that it didn't occur to me when we were growing up that he might have problems about being one of the few African-Americans at the school. Us kids didn't see colour. He was easy-going and well liked."

Obama was later admitted to read politics and international relations at New York's prestigious Columbia University, where, his book claims, "no matter how many times the administration tried to paint them over, the walls remained scratched with blunt correspondence about niggers."

But one of his classmates, Joe Zwicker (45) - now a lawyer in Boston - said: "That surprises me. Columbia was a pretty tolerant place. There were African American students in my classes and I never saw any evidence of racism at all."

Family members and acquaintances believe that the real cloud over Obama's life has been the discovery that his father was far from the romantic figure that his mother tried to portray.

A family friend said: "He is haunted by his father's failures. He grew up thinking of his father as a brilliant intellectual and pioneer of African independence, only to learn that, in Western terms, he was basically a drunken lecher."

This ugly truth, say friends, has made Obama ruthlessly determined to use every weapon to succeed, including the glossily edited version of his father's story. "At the end of the day Barack wants the story to help his political cause, so perhaps he couldn't afford to be too honest," said Ochieng. - The Mail on Sunday


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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Obama Jnr claims that racism on both sides of the family destroyed the marriage between his mother and father. In his book, he says Ann's mother did not want a black son-in-law, and Obama Snr's father "didn't want the Obama blood sullied by a white women".


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-10   17:53:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Obummer and family, one needs a shovel.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-10   17:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom, FOH, all (#2)

Obummer, the racial healer. Are these PILES delusional? America's race industry is a brillion dollar a year industry, financed by our government, beginning w/LBJ. Obummer will no more dismantle that than he will remove our troops from Iraq.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   18:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

Are these PILES delusional?

Yes.

Not to mention this is their big meal ticket, their wildest life long dreams come true, perfect cover (so they thought heheheh) and POWER like never before.

The Banksters, through the Council on Foreign Relations, will want to know if you would like a ferret-around as they pound your a**...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-10   18:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

He can't be America's first black President. He is half white. He can be the first half black president though.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-10   18:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Um, I dunno about the substance/source of this article (how come no source URL is given, JT?), but the paragraph-long thread title is just ridiculous.

JT, I know you like to provoke, but this is a bit much, don't ya think?

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-10   21:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Arator (#6)

No url because the research library I use is a pay site. URLs aren't available. I can't prove or disprove it, A. If it turns out to be inaccurate, I'll stand corrected.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   22:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Sounds like Barry dreams that his father was a good guy.

Barry Obama -- In your heart, you know he's wrong.

Old Fud  posted on  2008-05-10   22:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

No url because the research library I use is a pay site.

Do tell. A pay site, eh? What's the gateway URL? I wanna see how much it costs.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-10   22:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Arator (#9)

It's called High Beam Research and it goes for $129 a year.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   23:12:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Arator, Jethro Tull (#6)

Um, I dunno about the substance/source of this article (how come no source URL is given, JT?), but the paragraph-long thread title is just ridiculous.

The actual article is from The Daily Mail (UK) with the title below:

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages...id=431908&in_page_id=1770

A drunk and a bigot - what the US Presidental hopeful HASN'T said about his father...

By SHARON CHURCHER

The Daily Mail (UK)

Last updated at 22:51pm on 27th January 2007

It is a classic story of the American dream made real: an impoverished Kenyan goatherd rising to become a brilliant Harvard-educated economist.

On the way he fights racial prejudice at home and corruption at work, survives the heartbreak of a broken relationship and, despite it all, leads the fight to rid Africa of its colonial legacy.

This extraordinary story is told by US Presidential hopeful Barack Obama as he recalls the life of the man who inspired him to political success - his father.

Mr Obama's book, Dreams From My Father, is flying off the shelves of US book stores, exciting and astonishing readers in equal measure. It is a bestseller, and no wonder - because the story just gets better and better.

[snip]

To view the Highbeam search results for Obama's father:

www.highbeam.com/Search.aspx?q=obama's+father

Obama's real family history is mostly myth; Bigamy, violence, drunken crashes, deceit ... the real history of the man who may be America's first black President. Barack Obama's book portrays his father as a Kenyan goatherd who lived the American dream ... the truth, though, is very different, writes...
The Saturday Star (South Africa); Feb 3, 2007; 1,384 Words ... inspired him - his father. Obama's book, Dreams From My Father, is flying off ... that, for all of Obama's reputation for ... discovered that his father was not just ... real cloud over Obama's life has been ... discovery that his father was far from ...

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-05-11   5:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nolu_chan, Arator (#11)

So the The Saturday Star (South Africa) picked it up from The Daily Mail (UK), and I plucked it from High Beam. And the Os wouldn't believe it if it was hand delivered from the Mount because Obama is black and above reproach. So on we go.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   8:11:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

JT, if I am to hold my relatively high opinion of you, then you will have to admit that this, whatever it is that you posted here is WAY beneath any minimal standard that you would want associated with you. The huge and bolded font in the first paragraph... I have NO DOUBT that you can do better. But, I guess, it's hard to take the New York Post out of the New Yorker.

As for the content, what is this about? Obama's momma? Oh... it's about his daddy whose only impact on Obama's life was his constant absence. This is most interesting but, I hope you don't mind if I won't waste my time reading this explosive piece of crap. Or piece of explosive crap.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   8:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#13)

When I bring an article here I "view source" then cut and paste. The appearance it then takes isn't related to any special effort from me. This article is from at least two mainstream sources, thanks to nola from robin's PC (People's Collective). If the article is inaccurate, tell me where and why.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   8:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

I am not discussing the article's accuracy, only its irrelevance.

If you assure me that the huge font in the top paragraph is not your creation, then I am happy. But, by Golly (Golly is supposed to be a place-holder for God, I think) that very hugeness should be a strong indicator that what you posted was crap.

And, getting back to the irrelevance, did you know that there are only 2 degrees of separation between Obama and Hitler?

Now, your turn. Why do you believe that the information included in this piece, even if accurate, is in any way relevant to the 2008 campaign for the US presidency?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   8:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)

I explained the appearance.

It's relevant because of what I consider Obama's peculiar relationship (respect) for what appears to be just another black, dead beat dad.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   8:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

He had no relationship with his daddy. What are you talking about?

Anyways, all these 'sensational' pieces about Obama's association don't serve any useful purpose. Obama had no relationship with his daddy and his daddy will have no influence whatsoever in the WH if Obama becomes the prez. Therefore, again, why is this relevant?

As the experienced citizen that you are, do you know ANYTHING about the parents or the grandparents of ANY congressman, US or state senator, state rep, judge... you voted for or against recently?

Maybe you do, and maybe you want to share some of that knowledge with the forum. If you are a New Yorker, maybe you can tell us something about Hillary's parents or Bloomberg's parents or Spitzer's. Inquiring minds want to know.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   8:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#17)

Anyways, all these 'sensational' pieces about Obama's association don't serve any useful purpose.

Who are you to determine what is relevant or not? I'd like to know if burrrrack was *ever* beholden to government largess, thanks to dad splitting back to the Motherland. Do you know? If yes, perhaps that's why he loves large central government.

This thread is limited the Kenyan dead beat. If you'd like to discuss Spitzer or Hillary toss up a thread.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   9:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

burrrrack

Your insensitivity is apalling.

From now on you are to refer to Him as "The Magnificent Messiah OoooBama!"

Got that, citizen Tull?

Esso  posted on  2008-05-11   9:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

. If you'd like to discuss Spitzer or Hillary toss up a thread.

Copycat of Aristeides, when he has to punt, he Punts "Hitler" as that is always a winner.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-11   9:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Esso (#19)

Got that, citizen Tull?

Tull may need an attitude "overhauling" rather than the usual adjustment.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-11   9:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Esso, Cynicom, all (#19)

Got that, citizen Tull?

Are the Os now of the mind that the Socialist's dead beat dad's boogie back to Kenya is off limits? My goodness how they despise open discussion and free speech. About the article I posted? The two complaints have been the visual appeal and the wording of the headline. Not a word about the veracity. Their adoration of this black racist is astounding.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   9:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#18) (Edited)

Of course I am trying to determine what is relevant or not. I am always doing it for myself and, this being a discussion and debate site, I am expressing my views. Do you suggest that I should not express my view that this obvious piece of crapola is irrelevant? You are free to counter my argument that, lacking any past or present relationship between Obama and his daddy, his daddy is not relevant. But, if you wish to advance that popular psychology theory of yours that Obama's fugitive daddy can explain Obama's views on big governments... go ahead and make a fool of yourself. What I suggest, if you wish to oppose or criticize Obama's views on big govrenment, you should actually discuss Obama's views on the bigger government and compare them with those of his adversaries. I'm not sure that applying Aunt Jemima's theory of the subconscious to Obama's political makeup could do much to clarify the situation because said theory has no history of predicting politicians future behaviors based on their daddies past.

Let's think of Hitler's, Stalin's, Lenin's, Pol Pot's, Osama's or Jim Robinson's dads. Please find ONE hint of future behavior that you can derive from their daddies' past.

Like I said, you're grasping at thin straws. Clearly, you can't explain why Obama's momma has anything to do with a future Obama presidency because there is no science that you could use to support that (see above).

Like I also said, if you really want to cut the jugular, run to Hitler. Strong and close connections between Obama and Hitler can and SHOULD be documented.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   9:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#23)

More on his roots. Enjoy.

Obama's family in Kenya watches U.S. election.(AFRICAN AFFAIRS)(Brief article)

From:
Jet
Date:
January 28, 2008
More results for:
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Seated on plastic chairs surrounded by chickens and barefoot children, Barack Obama's Kenyan relatives listened to the radio for news of how their favorite son was doing in the New Hampshire primary earlier this month.

Kogelo, the western Kenyan village of Barack Obama's father, has been spared the political and ethnic violence that has erupted in Kenya after the elections. But that, as well as his nephew's political success, were on Said Obama's mind.

If Barack Obama were in Kenya today, he would "work with the leadership to bring them to a roundtable and find a solution to the problems that have been ravaging the country," his uncle said.

In fact, Obama's spokesman Robert Gibbs confirmed the senator spoke to opposition leader Raila Odinga for about five minutes Monday before going into a rally in New Hampshire. Gibbs said Odinga, a Luo, and Obama's father, who is deceased but was also named Barack, are from the same tribe.

Obama urged that "all the leaders there, regardless of their position on the election tell their supporters to stand down, to desist with the violence and resolve in a peaceful way in accordance with Kenyan law."

-- Associated Press

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   9:53:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24) (Edited)

Obama's family in Kenya watches U.S. election.

LOL :))

And, don't forget, OSAMA too watches the U.S. election. And so do a bunch of black death-row inmates who hope that, once elected, Obama is going to pardon them and include them into his cabinet.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   9:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator (#25)

Obama will hunt down Osama......

Keyes, Obama sound off about bin Laden tape Candidates tour suburbs Saturday, rally support as race enters final days.(News)

From:
Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, IL)
Date:
October 31, 2004
Author:
Krol, Eric
More results for:
obama and bin laden

Byline: Eric Krol Daily Herald Political Writer

-Snip

Obama said Keyes' assessment is wrong and part of his opponent's continued "extreme rhetoric."

The nation is unified in its belief bin Laden needs to be hunted down, Obama said.

-Snip

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   10:04:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Obama will hunt down Osama......

AHA!!! So Osama favors McCain.

THAT's what I needed to know. Goodbye McCain. Hellow Obama!!!

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   10:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)

hehehehehehe......

So OBAMA is going to hunt down OSAMA who like al Qaeda is a creation of our government.

You PILES are funny :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   10:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

Good, given that you've lost the Obama's momma topic, let me take your baits and switch.

And... how exactly is Al Queda a creation of our government? I believe I missed that briefing.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   10:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)

Sorry, no hijacking allowed.

Start a new thread and I'll gladly kick your ass :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   10:21:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

My friend, it's you who are trying to switch topics. As far as I can see, you were unable to back your hypothesis that an absent father causes his son to favor big government if the father is from Kenya.

And you also failed to show how the information on Obama's daddy is in any way relevant. This may be news to you but my impression is that you are already aware of Obama's views on big government and you didn't need his father to have them revealed to you. Do you suggest that there are any secret plans in Obama's mind that you could deduce based on his dead and estranged father past behavior?

If you can't do any of the above than, I am sorry to say, the debate is closed and you lost it. You failed to provide any explanation of why this article is in any way interesting or relevant to the presidential (s)election process.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   10:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)

I am not discussing the article's accuracy, only its irrelevance.

McCain hangs out with mass murderer George Bush. George Bushes helped kill Kennedy. At least Obamas dad was just getting some pussy instead of murdering Kennedy.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-11   10:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#31)

As far as I can see, you were unable to back your hypothesis that an absent father causes his son to favor big government if the father is from Kenya.

"For example, I was going to a fancy prep school, and my mother was on food stamps while she was getting her Ph.D." Obama believes his inability to fit neatly into any group or category explains his relentless efforts to understand and reconcile opposing views. But the tendency is so pronounced that it almost seems an obsessive-compulsive tic.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   12:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

I don't know. It's so bizarre, I'm reluctant to make further comments.

It would be entertaining to see a Hillary or McCain commercial warning voters to nix Obama because Obama's dead daddy, that he last met when he was 1 or 2 years old, did the hanky panky while Obama was raised by his granny. Please let me know if you see such a commercial. I'm sure it would be a game-changing classic.

Again, this article is as stupid and as irrelevant as they come.

Seriously, if you believe that there is some correlation between the behavior of estranged parents and their offspring's ideology, you are welcome to cite some evidence. Since you suggest that the former somehow predicts the latter, you must explain how the they relate or correlate and produce some historical data that backs the theory. Like, every time the absent daddy was German and Nazi, for example, the son of daughter became communist or fascist or zionist politicians or were notoriously big spenders or fiscally conservative.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   13:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)

Seriously, if you believe that there is some correlation between the behavior of estranged parents and their offspring's ideology, you are welcome to cite some evidence.

I just did. Obama was eating at no charge thanks to the US taxpayer while, at the same time, attending a trendy private school in Hawaii.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   13:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

Dear, remember, you are to support the theory that absent dads who are promiscuous, Kenyan and irresponsible disqualify their offspring for the US president job because... I don't know... it's so... complex :))))))))

Now you seem to be introducing some nutritional variables to the theory and maybe one or 2 Welfare queens. But... you seem to have it all under control and completely thought out so, how about you do some kind of a graph or diagram to resemble Hillary's health care plan so that the rest of us can get it right?

Maybe, you can point, on this graph, where we can find the dad, the good nutrition, the Welfare queens and, of course, where is Obama?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   13:47:55 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull, Arator (#12)

So the The Saturday Star (South Africa) picked it up from The Daily Mail (UK), and I plucked it from High Beam. And the Os wouldn't believe it if it was hand delivered from the Mount because Obama is black and above reproach.

Unlike British broadsheets, the British tabloids are most famous for the topless Page 3 girl, rather than serious journalism. They are not usually described as akin to Jesus delivering the sermon on the mount.

The Daily Mail is known to critics in the UK as The Daily Heil. Back in the day it supported Adolf Hitler.

The Brit tabloids bring back fond memories of my years in the UK and seeing the page three girl.

http://journalism.about.com/od/foreignmedia/qt/britishtabs.htm

The British Tabloids

From Bridget Johnson, Your Guide to Journalism.

The British tabloids are their own brand of journalism. Whereas American tabloids have occasionally broken news stories but are seen more as celebrity gossip bastions, the British tabloids jump on news stories with the same ferocity as they pounce on celebrity gossip. The result is an eclectic mix of hard news with unique (often anonymous) sourcing and traditional tabloid sleaze. And since tabloids are open to paying good money for story information, they're likely to get scoops that the traditional broadsheets miss -- though raising ethics questions at the same time. It's a cutthroat second dimension of journalism that draws a rabid following both across the pond and around the globe.

A primer on the top tabs in the U.K.:

* The Sun: Owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., The Sun is splashy, trashy, and often scooping the competition.

* Published in the U.K. and Ireland, The Sun has the highest circulation of any English-language daily paper in the world. Regular features include the Page Three Girl, which some have decried as pornographic. Politically, the paper has swung between supporting conservatives, such as Margaret Thatcher, and liberals.

* News of the World: Also owned by News Corp., this is essentially the Sunday version of The Sun. It originally cost three pence in 1843. The right-leaning newspaper enjoys sales of about 3.4 million each Sunday.

* The Daily Mirror: This consistently left-of-center tabloid was launched in 1903 as a newspaper run by and geared toward women, but new leadership the next year and a new direction resulted in all of the female journalists being fired. In the 1970s, the Sun surpassed the Mirror in circulation and the Mirror has since been plagued by declining circulation. A famous front page after the 2004 U.S. presidential elections bore a picture of George W. Bush and the headline "How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?"

* The People: This Sunday-only paper is owned by the company that runs the Daily Mirror, and considers itself a competitor to News of the World.

* The Daily Mail: Britain's oldest tabloid has a storied history, including having supported Adolf Hitler. Nowadays, the politically conservative paper has the 12th-largest circulation in the world among English-language dailies.

* The Daily Express: Founded in 1900 and introducing both newspaper gossip and the crossword puzzle to British readers, this paper became a tabloid format in 1977 and politically leans conservative. A major rival is the Daily Mail. Its front page banner describes the Express as "The World's Greatest Newspaper."

* The Daily Star: Launched in 1978, this became Britain's first new newspaper since the Daily Mirror debuted in 1903. It's published by the same company that produces the Daily Express, and politically leans to the right. The paper also has a daily scantily clad woman, mimicking The Sun's Page Three Girl.

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-05-11   15:47:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#13)

But, I guess, it's hard to take the New York Post out of the New Yorker.

Don't you mean Newsday out of the Long Islander?

nolu_chan  posted on  2008-05-11   15:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Old Friend (#32)

McCain hangs out with mass murderer George Bush. George Bushes helped kill Kennedy. At least Obamas dad was just getting some pussy instead of murdering Kennedy.

LMAO!

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...  posted on  2008-05-11   16:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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