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Title: One Possible Solution to 4um's Bozo Controversy
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Published: May 10, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-10 17:58:01 by Arator
Keywords: Bozos, Controversy, Solution
Views: 6202
Comments: 136

I have recently become aware of a recent 4um controversy that has apparently caused a schism in the forum and I would like to offer one possible solution to the problem for the forum to consider.

On the one hand, bozoing inhibits exchanges between posters (and might be abused via registration of fake ID's just to run up the bozo count on targeted posters and make them think that they are more generally disliked than they really are).

On the other hand, bozoing allow users to disassociate themselves from posters who they would rather not be associated with (for whatever reason).

Christine recently opted to balance these two goods by lowering the per-poster bozo count to 10 (believing that this would encourage more interaction and discourage bozo abuses via fake IDs, while still allowing a reasonable freedom to disassociate). Unfortunately, posters who had had more than 10 posters bozo'ed could no long disassociate with the number of posters that they wished to as a result and opted instead to disassociate themselves from the forum entirely.

So, the basic problem is this: can the forum allow users to disassociate themselves from other posters as they like while, at the same time, serve its purpose, which is to foster free and open exchanges between posters who do not necessarily agree politically?

I think the answer might be yes, if, that is, the forum's poster-to-poster interactions were more like real life.

As it stands now, the forums' interactions are not like real life because bozoing is cheap for the bozoer and of weak effect on the bozoed. This is so because, unlike real life, the persons being bozoed do not know who is bozoing them. This fact greatly diminishes the social repercussions of bozoing and being bozoed.

In real life, on the other hand, if someone choose to not speak to (or associate with) someone else, both parties know it. Hence, for the bozoer, there are social consequences (or costs) to disassociating that must be considered (as well as the benefits). And for the bozoed, the costs of being disassociated from are fully known and weighed against the benefits of continuing their present mode of social interaction, allowing them to adjust their behavior accordingly (or not).

If 4um operated more like a real life, posters would know exactly who was bozoing them. This would eliminate the incentive for some to inflate bozo-counts via the registration of fake IDs, since the bozoed would then know that they were being falsely bozoed. This would also result in an optimal level of disassociation (and forum interaction) because:

1) the bozoers would bear the full social costs (as well as receive the benefits) of disassociation, and

2) the bozoed would know the full social costs (as well as the benefits) of their own posting behavior, and could moderate their behavior accordingly.

In sum, I suggest that the number of bozos be unlimited but that the bozo'd know not just the bozo count but also exactly who has bozoed them. I would also keep PM communications open between the bozoer and the bozoed, because, in real life, even those who have disassociated have the possibility of changing their mode of relating and reassociating later on a better basis. These changes I believe would lead to an optimal level of forum interaction (and disassociation).


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#1. To: christine, Jethro Tull, aristeides, Robin, Red Jones (#0)

For your consideration.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-10   17:58:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Arator (#1)

Yes, that's a solid answer, as was Vast's (rolling them off after time). The problem was that some here used the bozo as a rating system, similar to LFs dopey rating system. Let the cowards and sock puppets ID themselves if they choose to avoid conflict. Of course, I still choose to toss the bloody thing in the can all together, but god forbid some here don't get the "pleasant experience" they pay for :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   18:14:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Social behavior becomes null and void once a person can hide.

Do away with the bozo, learn to ignore or look for a forum that meets ones taste..

The "NEW" forum is already throwing people out, thrown by the worst bozoers of all. Hypocrites.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-10   18:19:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#11)

The "NEW" forum is already throwing people out, thrown by the worst bozoers of all.

The most successful forums I've posted on had NO BOZO.

Prodigy ('92-'96) and tFR ('96-'00)

There was mild moderation, but oh my, the fun, fights, conflict and political exchanges we had.

This selective BS today, where everyone has to agree or they get all huffy, is for amateurs.

Lets use our 1st before it's curtailed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   18:34:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

The most successful forums I've posted on had NO BOZO.

Prodigy ('92-'96) and tFR ('96-'00)

Do they still exist?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-05-10   19:10:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: iconoclast (#67)

Prodigy died, in part, at the hand of tFR. Robinson didn't charge and they did ($30 a month?). Rimmer is still there but it's a heavily moderated Republican echo chamber.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   19:14:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: christine (#71)

How's this. Charge a buck a bozo per month, and watch them melt away. As cheap as most people are, they'd avoid the filter like a hair shirt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   19:40:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

How's this. Charge a buck a bozo per month, and watch them melt away. As cheap as most people are, they'd avoid the filter like a hair shirt.

Why would you not want to know if a big part of the site wasn't buying your message?

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#88. To: What do all the people know ????? (#85)

noone222  posted on  2008-05-10   19:54:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: noone222 (#88)

Good tune & vid.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-10   20:05:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Peppa (#92)

Thank you and Buckeye for being so appreciative ... I get so tired of fighting all of the time ... especially when we all know something is soooo wrong but can't seem to get along long enough to resolve it.

So once in awhile ... a few beers and www.live365.com gets me thru it !!!

noone222  posted on  2008-05-10   20:12:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: noone222 (#96) (Edited)

Thank you and Buckeye for being so appreciative ... I get so tired of fighting all of the time ... especially when we all know something is soooo wrong but can't seem to get along long enough to resolve it.

So once in awhile ... a few beers and www.live365.com gets me thru it !!!

YMW 222!

we all know something is soooo wrong but can't seem to get along long enough to resolve it.

It's not can't, it's won't. There is no 'try', only 'do'. There's little will for either.. I guess.

Thanks for the link, I will check it out!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-10   20:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Peppa (#103)

Thanks for the link, I will check it out!

They have all kinds of stations playing a vast array of music !!! It's a good find !

What is YMW 222 ????

noone222  posted on  2008-05-10   20:32:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: noone222 (#105)

What is YMW 222 ????

You are Most Welcome! 222=noone222 :)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-10   20:34:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Peppa (#106)

Thanks ... I really liked Robert Palmer .... addicted to love !

noone222  posted on  2008-05-10   20:37:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: noone222 (#108)

Thanks ... I really liked Robert Palmer .... addicted to love !

Me too.

Gone too soon....

Another fave.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-10   20:38:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Peppa (#109)

So nice ... real raw talent !!!

noone222  posted on  2008-05-10   20:40:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#111. To: noone222 (#110)

So nice ... real raw talent !!!

He was awesome.

Okay, one more....

Jon Bon Jovi, Seal, Robert Palmer - Like A Rolling Stone

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