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Title: One Possible Solution to 4um's Bozo Controversy
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Published: May 10, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-10 17:58:01 by Arator
Keywords: Bozos, Controversy, Solution
Views: 5616
Comments: 136

I have recently become aware of a recent 4um controversy that has apparently caused a schism in the forum and I would like to offer one possible solution to the problem for the forum to consider.

On the one hand, bozoing inhibits exchanges between posters (and might be abused via registration of fake ID's just to run up the bozo count on targeted posters and make them think that they are more generally disliked than they really are).

On the other hand, bozoing allow users to disassociate themselves from posters who they would rather not be associated with (for whatever reason).

Christine recently opted to balance these two goods by lowering the per-poster bozo count to 10 (believing that this would encourage more interaction and discourage bozo abuses via fake IDs, while still allowing a reasonable freedom to disassociate). Unfortunately, posters who had had more than 10 posters bozo'ed could no long disassociate with the number of posters that they wished to as a result and opted instead to disassociate themselves from the forum entirely.

So, the basic problem is this: can the forum allow users to disassociate themselves from other posters as they like while, at the same time, serve its purpose, which is to foster free and open exchanges between posters who do not necessarily agree politically?

I think the answer might be yes, if, that is, the forum's poster-to-poster interactions were more like real life.

As it stands now, the forums' interactions are not like real life because bozoing is cheap for the bozoer and of weak effect on the bozoed. This is so because, unlike real life, the persons being bozoed do not know who is bozoing them. This fact greatly diminishes the social repercussions of bozoing and being bozoed.

In real life, on the other hand, if someone choose to not speak to (or associate with) someone else, both parties know it. Hence, for the bozoer, there are social consequences (or costs) to disassociating that must be considered (as well as the benefits). And for the bozoed, the costs of being disassociated from are fully known and weighed against the benefits of continuing their present mode of social interaction, allowing them to adjust their behavior accordingly (or not).

If 4um operated more like a real life, posters would know exactly who was bozoing them. This would eliminate the incentive for some to inflate bozo-counts via the registration of fake IDs, since the bozoed would then know that they were being falsely bozoed. This would also result in an optimal level of disassociation (and forum interaction) because:

1) the bozoers would bear the full social costs (as well as receive the benefits) of disassociation, and

2) the bozoed would know the full social costs (as well as the benefits) of their own posting behavior, and could moderate their behavior accordingly.

In sum, I suggest that the number of bozos be unlimited but that the bozo'd know not just the bozo count but also exactly who has bozoed them. I would also keep PM communications open between the bozoer and the bozoed, because, in real life, even those who have disassociated have the possibility of changing their mode of relating and reassociating later on a better basis. These changes I believe would lead to an optimal level of forum interaction (and disassociation).


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#1. To: christine, Jethro Tull, aristeides, Robin, Red Jones (#0)

For your consideration.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-10   17:58:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Arator (#1)

Yes, that's a solid answer, as was Vast's (rolling them off after time). The problem was that some here used the bozo as a rating system, similar to LFs dopey rating system. Let the cowards and sock puppets ID themselves if they choose to avoid conflict. Of course, I still choose to toss the bloody thing in the can all together, but god forbid some here don't get the "pleasant experience" they pay for :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-10   18:14:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#9) (Edited)

The problem was that some here used the bozo as a rating system,

How does it rate people if you don't spill the beans? Why tell others what your count is?

If your count is confidential, it just provides some nice feed back as to what people really think of you. And the people who have you on bozo won't listen to you even if you take their bozo abilities away. They will just find another way to ignore you. To get them to listen, you've got to talk to them in a way they want to be talked to.

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#31. To: ... (#16)

To get them to listen, you've got to talk to them in a way they want to be talked to.

it's not as simple as that...you know, one man's trash is another man's treasure. it's not just about civility. people are offended by different opinions or expression of preferences or dislikes too.

christine  posted on  2008-05-10   18:35:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: christine (#31) (Edited)

t's not as simple as that...you know, one man's trash is another man's treasure. it's not just about civility. people are offended by different opinions or expression of preferences or dislikes too.

I think people are offended by FOH calling them "commies" and "shit for brains". Or Mud calling them "penis breath". They're not offended by opinions.

And they're not even offended by the garbage spewed by the LP newcomers, just annoyed. They have to wade through that garbage to get to what was the old 4um.

People have been here for years and exposed to a great variety of opinions. I've seen very few problems with a respectfully presented opinion no matter what it is. Most of the people who made this place what it is are old timers who can handle that.

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