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Title: One Possible Solution to 4um's Bozo Controversy
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Published: May 10, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-05-10 17:58:01 by Arator
Keywords: Bozos, Controversy, Solution
Views: 9256
Comments: 136

I have recently become aware of a recent 4um controversy that has apparently caused a schism in the forum and I would like to offer one possible solution to the problem for the forum to consider.

On the one hand, bozoing inhibits exchanges between posters (and might be abused via registration of fake ID's just to run up the bozo count on targeted posters and make them think that they are more generally disliked than they really are).

On the other hand, bozoing allow users to disassociate themselves from posters who they would rather not be associated with (for whatever reason).

Christine recently opted to balance these two goods by lowering the per-poster bozo count to 10 (believing that this would encourage more interaction and discourage bozo abuses via fake IDs, while still allowing a reasonable freedom to disassociate). Unfortunately, posters who had had more than 10 posters bozo'ed could no long disassociate with the number of posters that they wished to as a result and opted instead to disassociate themselves from the forum entirely.

So, the basic problem is this: can the forum allow users to disassociate themselves from other posters as they like while, at the same time, serve its purpose, which is to foster free and open exchanges between posters who do not necessarily agree politically?

I think the answer might be yes, if, that is, the forum's poster-to-poster interactions were more like real life.

As it stands now, the forums' interactions are not like real life because bozoing is cheap for the bozoer and of weak effect on the bozoed. This is so because, unlike real life, the persons being bozoed do not know who is bozoing them. This fact greatly diminishes the social repercussions of bozoing and being bozoed.

In real life, on the other hand, if someone choose to not speak to (or associate with) someone else, both parties know it. Hence, for the bozoer, there are social consequences (or costs) to disassociating that must be considered (as well as the benefits). And for the bozoed, the costs of being disassociated from are fully known and weighed against the benefits of continuing their present mode of social interaction, allowing them to adjust their behavior accordingly (or not).

If 4um operated more like a real life, posters would know exactly who was bozoing them. This would eliminate the incentive for some to inflate bozo-counts via the registration of fake IDs, since the bozoed would then know that they were being falsely bozoed. This would also result in an optimal level of disassociation (and forum interaction) because:

1) the bozoers would bear the full social costs (as well as receive the benefits) of disassociation, and

2) the bozoed would know the full social costs (as well as the benefits) of their own posting behavior, and could moderate their behavior accordingly.

In sum, I suggest that the number of bozos be unlimited but that the bozo'd know not just the bozo count but also exactly who has bozoed them. I would also keep PM communications open between the bozoer and the bozoed, because, in real life, even those who have disassociated have the possibility of changing their mode of relating and reassociating later on a better basis. These changes I believe would lead to an optimal level of forum interaction (and disassociation).


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#8. To: Arator, Pinguinite (#0)

i think it could make things interesting. i have no idea what it would require as far as coding the software.

christine  posted on  2008-05-10   18:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine. those who love 4 (#8)

Curiously, I went to my Setup page, and we can't post (copy/paste) who we've BZ'ed.

I used to have one BZ on me, but now it's down to zero...I don't know if the member went to poster-heaven, or what?

What about if someone doesn't post or reply in a certain period of time, you guys discuss this, they then have to re-register with 4?

Does that make any sense?

Lod  posted on  2008-05-10   18:18:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lodwick, a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)

the expiring of bozos as vast suggested would take care of that.

christine  posted on  2008-05-10   18:22:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#13)

The problem was with the intellectual honesty of the debate. Without that, a zillion bozo's or none won't and can't 'fix' anything.

For those that left, due to their objection to others points of view, their ideology and behaviour matches that of the media, which is to ignore that which they do not think is relevant, important, destructive, instructive, and to silence through intimidation via political correctness.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-10   18:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Peppa (#33)

Some had and have the rallying cry of overt "racism". Using their accepted definition, I am admitted racist.

With that in mind, I have never met a man that was NOT racist. Racism knows no bounds of color, ethnicity, religion. Obama said we small town backwater Americans did not like others that were "different". He is correct.

What he forgot to add was the the reverse is only too true. After having a knife pulled on me in the inner city of Baltimore and the man going to slit my throat simply because I was "white", one comes to the realization that minorities hate me because I am "white".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-10   18:45:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#49)

Some had and have the rallying cry of overt "racism".

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing racism, Nazism, zionism or anti-Semitism, even terrorism. We are just talking here and something good or at least interesting may come out of it. If someone would try to recruit at this site for political assassinations then, maybe that person should be bozoed. But, simply declaring your racism and, hopefully, discussing it in an intelligent way is acceptable to me even though I understand why some people may want to filter you out.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   18:54:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#56) (Edited)

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing racism, Nazism, zionism or anti-Semitism, even terrorism.

WEATHERMEN bump

FOH  posted on  2008-05-10   18:55:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: FOH (#57)

I know too little about the Weathermen to express any views on their activities. But, as a general rule, I tend to respect those who back their views with action while risking their own life or freedom in the process. I tend to have more respect for those who act as individuals than for those who do it as part of an organized group. Note that 'respect' does not equal agreement or approval or admiration.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-10   19:01:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Lighten up everybody ... (#59)

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