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Title: Obama And McCain Open To Unmoderated Debates Across Country
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/ ... d-mccain-open-to_n_101159.html
Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Adam Nagourney
Post Date: 2008-05-11 11:57:09 by christine
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Senators John McCain and Barack Obama are already drawing up strategies for taking each other on in the general election, focusing on the same groups — including independent voters and Latinos — and about a dozen states where they think the contest is likely to be decided this fall, campaign aides said.

Election GuideMore Politics NewsIn a sign of what could be an extremely unusual fall campaign, the two sides said Saturday that they would be open to holding joint forums or unmoderated debates across the country in front of voters through the summer. Mr. Obama, campaigning in Oregon, said that the proposal, floated by Mr. McCain’s advisers, was “a great idea.”

Even before Mr. Obama fully wraps up the Democratic presidential nomination, he and Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, are starting to assemble teams in the key battlegrounds, develop negative advertising and engage each other in earnest on the issues and a combustible mix of other topics, including age and patriotism.

Mr. McCain, of Arizona, will spend the next week delivering a series of speeches on global warming, evidence of his intention to battle Mr. Obama for independent voters, a group the two men have laid claim to. Those voters tend to recoil from hard-edged partisan politics, and presumably would be receptive to the kind of bipartisan forum that Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama seemed open to on Saturday.

Clearly concerned that questions about such things as his association with his former pastor had damaged his standing with independents, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, is likely to embark on a summertime tour intended to highlight the life story that was once central to his appeal. Preliminary plans include a stop in Hawaii, his birthplace, and a major address there at Punchbowl Cemetery, where his maternal grandfather, who fought in World War II, is buried.

Mr. Obama’s campaign is firing up voter-registration efforts and sending troops to Ohio and Pennsylvania, states that he lost in the primaries but that his aides said he must win to capture the White House. Mr. McCain’s advisers said they had tracked Mr. Obama’s struggles with blue-collar voters there and would open campaign headquarters in both states in early June.

Beyond that, aides to the two men said Latino voters would be central to victory in a swath of Western states now viewed as prime battlefields, including Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico.

These decisions by Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama to look ahead to the fall reflect their conclusion that it is only a matter of time before Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York steps away from the fight for the Democratic nomination.

Mr. McCain is looking first to states where President Bush narrowly lost in 2004 and where Mr. Obama lost primaries, starting with New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. Mr. Obama is looking to states where he won caucuses and primaries — including some, like Virginia, that have been solidly Republican in recent presidential elections — as well as others where he has organizations in place.

And the two sides have produced television advertisements that will be rolled out as soon as the Democratic contest is officially resolved. These advertisements are directed less at promoting themselves than at undercutting their opponents.

The Republican National Committee is planning a $19.5 million advertising campaign to portray Mr. Obama, 46, as out of touch with the country and too inexperienced to be commander in chief, seeking to put him on the defensive before he can use his financial advantage against Mr. McCain, 71, party officials said.

“In 1984, Ronald Reagan said, ‘I’m not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience,’ ” said Frank Donatelli, the deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee. “Well, we are going to exploit Obama’s youth and inexperience.”

On the Democratic side, Mr. Obama’s aides this week put finishing touches on advertisements intended to tether Mr. McCain to Mr. Bush and chip away at his image as a maverick, an identity that the aides said they found remained strong with voters.

“By November, every voter will know that McCain is offering a third Bush term,” said Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe.

Advisers to Mr. Obama said their research suggested that Mr. McCain, notwithstanding his high profile in American politics for more than a decade, was not well known to many voters. In particular, Mr. Obama’s aides said they would highlight Mr. McCain’s opposition to abortion rights to try to stem the flow of disaffected women who backed Mrs. Clinton in the primaries and whom Mr. McCain’s aides said they would aggressively court.

The strategies reflect a lesson from the 2004 presidential campaign, when top aides to Mr. Bush, some of whom are working for Mr. McCain today, began a well-financed television campaign to define and undercut Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, the moment he became his party’s nominee.

Mr. Obama’s advisers said they were mindful that he had not yet won the nomination and that six contests remained. Still, they said it was crucial to begin engaging Mr. McCain as soon possible.

Independent voters have been critical in presidential elections as the country has become polarized along party lines. What makes this election different is the extent to which Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain have turned to independent voters for support throughout their careers.

Historically, independent voters have responded to specific issues and concerns, in particular an emphasis on government reform and an aversion to overly bitter partisan wrangling. Accordingly, Mr. McCain’s advisers said they would present him as a senator who frequently stepped across the aisle, while portraying Mr. Obama as a down-the-line Democratic voter who is ideologically out of touch with much of the country.

“We believe America is still a slightly right-of-center country, and that is what McCain is,” said Charlie Black, a senior adviser to Mr. McCain. “If you look at Obama’s base and his record, he is a pretty conventional liberal.”

Mr. Obama’s advisers, meanwhile, intend to present Mr. McCain as a product of Washington who moved closer to the Bush administration to win the Republican nomination.

The two men also have sought to build their candidacies around images of reform, unconstrained by traditional political molds. The rivals are openly discussing staging forums across the country to speak directly to voters, an idea that is by any measure unconventional for a general election campaign.

Asked about the idea on Saturday, Mr. Obama told reporters in Oregon, “If I have the opportunity to debate substantive issues before the voters with John McCain, that’s something that I’m going to welcome.”

Hispanic voters could find themselves drawing more attention from presidential candidates than ever before. Their votes could prove critical in determining whether Democrats capture states like Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico and whether Republicans have any chance of being competitive in California.

Mr. McCain’s identification with legislation that would have permitted some illegal immigrants to attain citizenship, a position he moved away from in the primaries but never renounced, gives him an opportunity to compete for those voters, who except for Cubans in Florida appear to have largely settled into the Democratic camp in recent years.

Mr. Obama also supported measures that would have allowed immigrants to attain citizenship but struggled to win over Hispanic voters in his primary fight, signaling a potential problem for him in the fall campaign. Mr. Obama’s aides said the endorsement by Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, one of the nation’s most prominent Hispanic leaders, could prove more critical in the general election than in the primary.

Both sides say the states clearly in play now include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Nevada, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin.

Republicans said they hoped to put New Jersey and possibly California into play; Democrats said African-Americans could make Mr. Obama competitive in Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina. Mr. Obama’s advisers said they had a strong chance of taking Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico, Ohio and Virginia away from the Republican column.

Mr. Obama has a clear financial advantage. By March 31, Mr. McCain had raised about $80 million and reported about $11 million in cash on hand. Mr. Obama had raised three times as much — about $240 million — and had more than four times as much in the bank.

But the Republican National Committee, which is permitted to spend money on Mr. McCain’s behalf, has raised $31 million, compared with just $6 million by the Democratic National Committee. And Republican officials said they were not concerned about being outspent between now and the conventions.

Mr. Obama’s advisers said that as a result of the five-month series of primaries and caucuses, he had a nearly national campaign apparatus in place and had identified and registered thousands of new voters. That said, they acknowledged that they were at a disadvantage in two important states — Florida and Michigan — because those states had early primaries in defiance of the Democratic National Committee, and the candidates agreed not to campaign there.

“Organizationally, we have now built very powerful organizations in every state but Michigan and Florida,” Mr. Plouffe said. “That is one huge silver lining to how long this nomination fight has gone on.”

Republicans will seek to portray Mr. Obama as out of touch with many voters on issues like abortion and gay rights. Some of Mr. McCain’s advisers said they also thought that Mr. Obama had displayed a number of vulnerabilities as a candidate that they would seek to exploit: they argued that he was prone to becoming irritated when tired or pressed on tough questions, that he had trouble connecting with voters in smaller settings and that he had run a campaign light on substance.

In the eyes of the Obama campaign, Mr. McCain’s chief weaknesses include continuing to embrace the Iraq war, his support for extending the administration’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans (he once opposed the idea) and his suggestion that the economy had made “great progress” in the last eight years.

Mr. Obama has said he has no intention of making age — Mr. McCain is 25 years older — an overt issue in the general election campaign. Yet in recent weeks, the Obama campaign has made a point of showing their candidate in settings, on the basketball court, as well as surrounded by his young family, that could be seen as telegraphing the message without explicitly raising the issue.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

unmoderated debates sound interesting.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-11   12:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

Obama And McCain Open To Unmoderated Debates Across Country

Why not! It will be nothing more than a political version of the WWF anyway. All choreographed with a predetermined winner in order to make the kabuki theater appear real to the rubes.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-11   12:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hayek Fan (#2)

and there are lots of rubes, more than we knew, aren't there? ;)

christine  posted on  2008-05-11   12:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#3)

and there are lots of rubes, more than we knew, aren't there? ;)

I'm afraid so. It's been a real shocker to see those whose posts (in some cases) I've read for literally years back flip and support everything they traditionally rejected. It's been real dissappointing.

I've been preaching against both parties since Daddy Bush ran and won the Presidency. I've been kicked off more forums than I can remember for warning anyone who would listen that the so-called republican revolution was a sham and that they would be no different than the democrats before them, all to no avail.

I thought for sure that once people had their fill of the duplicity and outright betrayal of the republican party that they would finally wash their hands of the two-party fraud and look to third parties for political representation. You would think that when the party of small government behaves in the same way as the party of big government, people would realize that they have been had. This is especially true since the democrats have had control of the Congress for close to two years now and haven't even tried to make any changes in regards to the war or republican corruption.

Clinton gets into office and refuses to investigate any of the Daddy Bush shenannigans, then Baby Bush gets into office and not only refuses to investigate Clinton but classifies all of the documentation as secret. The democrats take control of Congress and not a single investigation of anything, yet I'm suypposed to believe that Obama and the democrats are the saviors of America? I'm sorry but I've seen no evidence of this.

I'm not buying it. The democrats were booted out in the so-called republican revolution scam for a reason. That reason hasn't changed in any significant way, shape or form. They still have the same old "government will save us and solve all of our problems" mentality. The only thing that has changed is that the republican party has FINALLY outed itself as having the same mentality.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, then by definition, the American people are certifiably insane.

Oh well. There's nothing that can be done about it. People are going to do what they're going to do and events will happen as they happen.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-11   12:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#3)

McKook and Clingon...big choice, do we select to be shot or hung????

Like death debating taxes, they will both get us eventually.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-11   13:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hayek Fan (#4)

Clinton gets into office and refuses to investigate any of the Daddy Bush shenannigans, then Baby Bush gets into office and not only refuses to investigate Clinton but classifies all of the documentation as secret. The democrats take control of Congress and not a single investigation of anything, yet I'm suypposed to believe that Obama and the democrats are the saviors of America? I'm sorry but I've seen no evidence of this.

This selection sure has been an eye opener. Besides -MUD-, I can't think of anyone who would touch McCain with a 10' pole. The Os know this to be true, but chose to be disingenuous. OTOH, the Ds surfaced strong and hard for a lightweight socialist, who offers hope and change. I still think Rendell, Hillary and Ferraro are correct; Obama is unelectable. His radical past will bite him in the ass come late Sept.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   13:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Hayek Fan (#4)

I've been kicked off more forums than I can remember for warning anyone who would listen that the so-called republican revolution was a sham and that they would be no different than the democrats before them, all to no avail.

Nice to know I wasn't the only one that saw that coming. In 1995 a friend of mine who knew I usually voted "R" (Used to anyway, I got better) said I must be really happy about the 'revolution.' I looked him right in the eye and said they would not change jack shit.

What gets me about the hard core Obama supporters is they sound just like, and I mean carbon copy perfect, the "R" brand zombies and FReekerville residents that voted Bush in. Between 1999 and 2004 most of arguments with Bush supporters went like this:

Me: "I don't like Bush's policy. I think I'll vote 3rd party."

Zombie Dubya supporter: "So, you're voting for Kerry?"

Me: "No, I'm voting 3rd party or maybe a write in."

Zombie Dubya supporter: "You're voting for Kerry. You damned Democrat."

Me: "No, I've been a registered independent all my life! I'm not voting for either primary canadate."

Zombie Dubya supporter: "You're voting for Kerry you American hating commie! You demorat SOB! Kerry loving hippie! You're with us or against us! GOD BLESS AMERICA!"

I feel like I'm having the same conversations now, only with the names and political labels mixed around.

I've already made my prediction. Obama will win and the "D" party will do a step by step repeat of the "R"s fall from power and grace with every GOP style talking point trotted out when they screw up.

It depresses me that so many people fall for such obvious theatrics.

P.S. And remember, vote for a libertarian is a vote for Al Gore!

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-05-11   13:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

This selection sure has been an eye opener. Besides -MUD-, I can't think of anyone who would touch McCain with a 10' pole. The Os know this to be true, but chose to be disingenuous.

Yes, I've seen the accusations and insinuations that those not worshipping at the throne of Obama are for McCain. It's the same mentality most of us have seen in past elections at places like TOS1 and TOS2. If you don't vote for Bush then you're a democrat or if you don't vote for Bush then it's your fault of the democrats win. Blah, blah, blah.

Let them say what they want. I'm voting for neither and I don't really give a damn which one of them wins, which is pretty much why I decided to quit getting into pissing contests with people over the subject. I have my vote and they have theirs.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-11   13:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#7)

Nice to know I wasn't the only one that saw that coming. In 1995 a friend of mine who knew I usually voted "R" (Used to anyway, I got better) said I must be really happy about the 'revolution.' I looked him right in the eye and said they would not change jack shit.

Not only did I warn that nothing would change, but I predicted that the republicans would grow the size of government in the same way that the democrats did except that they would focus on "law and order" issues as their rationale.

For years I've believed that this is the two sides of the coin that the two parties have staked out. The democrats focus on growing the size of government via social issues while the republicans grow it via police state.

What gets me about the hard core Obama supporters is they sound just like, and I mean carbon copy perfect, the "R" brand zombies and FReekerville residents that voted Bush in. Between 1999 and 2004 most of arguments with Bush supporters went like this:

Me: "I don't like Bush's policy. I think I'll vote 3rd party."

Zombie Dubya supporter: "So, you're voting for Kerry?"

Me: "No, I'm voting 3rd party or maybe a write in."

Zombie Dubya supporter: "You're voting for Kerry. You damned Democrat."

Me: "No, I've been a registered independent all my life! I'm not voting for either primary canadate."

Zombie Dubya supporter: "You're voting for Kerry you American hating commie! You demorat SOB! Kerry loving hippie! You're with us or against us! GOD BLESS AMERICA!"

I feel like I'm having the same conversations now, only with the names and political labels mixed around.

I've already made my prediction. Obama will win and the "D" party will do a step by step repeat of the "R"s fall from power and grace with every GOP style talking point trotted out when they screw up.

It depresses me that so many people fall for such obvious theatrics.

P.S. And remember, vote for a libertarian is a vote for Al Gore!

LOL! Great minds think a like. I was just commenting on this very thing.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-11   13:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Hayek Fan (#8)

Yes, I've seen the accusations and insinuations that those not worshipping at the throne of Obama are for McCain. It's the same mentality most of us have seen in past elections at places like TOS1 and TOS2

Yep, Party Pods are what they are.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-11   13:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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