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Title: I just got informed that there is a rumor being spread in 4um's PM that I have plans to ban Obama supporters. It's not true.
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Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-05-11 12:31:42 by christine
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Views: 3651
Comments: 75

All viewpoints are welcome. Free speech is and always will be alive and well on 4um. How about those of you spreading the rumor and/or speculating put it out here on the board so that I have the opportunity to defend and dispel the myths.

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#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#33)

LOL :)))

I am sorry, but I can't take you seriously, mainly because I don't believe that you do.

Coming from one who supports a Marxist-Racist-CFR-Trilat-NAU-OWM-Liberation Theology-Establishment-Tool...I understand why you say that.

;)


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   16:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: FOH (#36)
(Edited)

Coming from one who supports a Marxist-Racist-CFR-Trilat-NAU-OWM-Liberation Theology-Establishment-Tool...I understand why you say that.

Got a link to back up your silly smear here?

No?

Didn't think so. Most blowhards don't.

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...  posted on  2008-05-11   16:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FOH (#36)

See? What you need is inspiration and interactivity because they breed in you creativity.

So, your statement that the more people filter you out, the better, is false. If everyone ignored you, you'd be effectively silenced. You better pray that I stay engaged and stir your creative (but stinky) juices from time to time.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-11   16:32:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38) (Edited)

See? What you need is inspiration and interactivity because they breed in you creativity.

So, your statement that the more people filter you out, the better, is false. If everyone ignored you, you'd be effectively silenced. You better pray that I stay engaged and stir your creative (but stinky) juices from time to time.

LOLOL. Coming from one who supports a Marxist-Racist-CFR-Trilat-NAU-OWM-Liberation Theology-Establishment-Tool...

You're so far off it's very boring to me, honestly...but I'll let you continue on in your self-delusional fantasies. Your condescending theories are always good for a laugh, comrade.

" Communism is the death of the soul. It is the organization of total conformity--in short, of tyranny--and it is committed to making tyranny universal."

Adlai E. Stevenson


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   16:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FOH (#39)

You're so far off it's very boring to me, honestly...but I'll let you continue on in your self-delusional fantasies. Your condescending theories are always good for a laugh, comrade.

It's pretty obvious you can't handle the real world bucko.

Feel safe when half the world has you on bozo and you have half the world on bozo?

Heck, you're as big a fighting man as George W. Bush. Why don't you get a flight soit and prance around in it for us?

.

...  posted on  2008-05-11   16:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)

Alright, I'll give you one more opportunity.

Which of the following (1-10) do you disapprove of and why?:

10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

  6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.[4]

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage[5]).


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   16:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: FOH (#41)

Which of the following (1-10) do you disapprove of and why?:

Can we say strawman from an inarticulate wingnutter?

By the way, when did you stop beating your wife?

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...  posted on  2008-05-11   16:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: christine (#0)

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

I agree with you, christine...members of the ObamaNation should be welcome at the 4um.

Regards...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2008-05-11   16:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom (#30)

Things are so bad I now have to pay someone to listen to my complaints.

So, you're in therapy? Takes a big person to admit something like that.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-05-11   16:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FOH (#32)

I enjoy responding to things I find odious with ridicule.

Color it a weakness.

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-11   16:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: christine (#0)

Dear baby Jesus.

What next?

Just insanity.

Lod  posted on  2008-05-11   17:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#41)

ping to 41

You took off very abrubtly...crafting a response ?...or do you not have a defense available ?

[crickets]


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   17:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mirage (#45)

I enjoy responding to things I find odious with ridicule.

Color it a weakness.

You'll never catch me...I'm at 23 and thinking about creating some new accounts just to pad my lead.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   17:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mirage (#3)

I, for one, want to see what the Obama supporters are saying and how they do it.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

As a grizzled veteran of California’s “kill Bradley” campaign of -82 I want to hear every grass roots peep from the obamaphile crowd. Sun Tzu’s “know your enemy” is a still an invaluable political tool.

In case you’ve forgotten, the Duke won over Tom despite “overwhelming” odds.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-11   18:17:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Mudboy Slim (#43)

Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

I agree with you, christine...members of the ObamaNation should be welcome at the 4um.

Yes! Obama will save the Republic and Superman will once again defeat the Penguin and the Joker. Santa Claus will make his appointed rounds and the Easter Bunny will never be late.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-11   18:22:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: James Deffenbach (#50)

LOLOL

You magnificently just speared a neocommie and a neocon with two successive posts !

ahaha


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   18:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: karelian (#49)

I want to hear every grass roots peep from the obamaphile crowd. Sun Tzu’s “know your enemy” is a still an invaluable political tool.

Yes!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-11   18:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: karelian, mirage (#49)

I, for one, want to see what the Obama supporters are saying and how they do it.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

As a grizzled veteran of California’s “kill Bradley” campaign of -82 I want to hear every grass roots peep from the obamaphile crowd. Sun Tzu’s “know your enemy” is a still an invaluable political tool.

In case you’ve forgotten, the Duke won over Tom despite “overwhelming” odds.

I have one on filter right now, and simply because it simply brought nothing whatsoever to the table after repeated opportunities to do so. But, the Ophiles simply have no America first defense to present, so I understand.

At times, I've had up to 4 or 5 on my filter, but you're right...with all but 1, 2 or a few it's very instructive, if not tedious.


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   18:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: FOH (#51)

You magnificently just speared a neocommie and a neocon with two successive posts !

As Phil Collins said in a little guest role on Miami Vice, "I try to do my little bit for law and order."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-11   18:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: James Deffenbach (#50)

Obama will save the Republic and Superman will once again defeat the Penguin and the Joker. Santa Claus will make his appointed rounds and the Easter Bunny will never be late.

LOLOL!!

They have made new hidey hole now.

Not too much super-duper courage.

They close their eyes to what they do not want to see.
They close their ears to what they do not care to hear.
They silence voices that question their logic.
They scream racism while practicing it.
They scream intolerance while employing it.
They are spineless.
They are thin skinned.
They are one with the Easter Bunny......
Cotton Balls.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-11   18:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: James Deffenbach (#54)

As Phil Collins said in a little guest role on Miami Vice, "I try to do my little bit for law and order."

AHAHA


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   18:38:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: FOH (#53)

But, the Ophiles simply have no America first defense to present, so I understand.

That's not quite true. I see the elite as not being monolithic. As in any human field of endeavor, they have bitter fights among themselves as to what is important and what their priorities should be. They would fight among themselves for power and control, whoever they are. Each one of these candidates represents one elite faction. McCain is obviously the most pro-Israel among the three.

In looking at Brzezinski's perspectives, and I have to assume Obama is in his camp, he has a more balanced view of Israel than McCain does. So the distinction between McCain and Obama is significant if what worries you most is the war in Iraq. However, Iran and Pakistan are looming as potential threats to Israel, and Zbig's wife is evidently a Swiss Jew. "Hope" isn't enough here.

Hillary is the wild card. We don't know why she has evidently fallen out of favor. Maybe she made one snide remark too many about the Jews, as she has been rumored to do.

In any case, people can take sides. I understand that.

My justification for not voting for one of these three is that none of them have any allegiance to the law of the land, and they have each made that perfectly clear. When they appoint justices, sign laws, veto good legislation, arrange for war against foreigners who have no quarrels with me, and sign abominable executive orders, I will be able to say that I did not vote for one of them.

By the way, the law of the land is important, but I think it needs to be changed. Clearly it hasn't permitted the citizenry to stop the destruction of their freedoms. The founding fathers weren't extreme enough in that regard. This is why Patrick Henry smelled a rat. He was right.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-11   18:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Peppa (#55)

Obama will save the Republic and Superman will once again defeat the Penguin and the Joker. Santa Claus will make his appointed rounds and the Easter Bunny will never be late.

LOLOL!!

They have made new hidey hole now.

Not too much super-duper courage.

They close their eyes to what they do not want to see.
They close their ears to what they do not care to hear.
They silence voices that question their logic.
They scream racism while practicing it.
They scream intolerance while employing it.
They are spineless.
They are thin skinned.
They are one with the Easter Bunny......
Cotton Balls.

Tragically comical !!

LOLOL


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   18:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: FOH (#58)

Tragically comical !!

LOLOL

;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-11   18:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeye (#57)

That's a great answer, I blasted through it once. I get it, people assuming that the annihilation of the State of Israel is the cure all (even though I believe their power base is centered in Europe and then America as a Junior Partner) should go with Obama (even though Obama is vetted as CFR-Kosher and talks in the same platitudes).

But you and I both know that Zbig and Kissinger are the height of the NeoCon-NeoCommie matrix that in the end is going to the exact-same-place.

This election is over, any of McHillObama will preside over the end of the Republic and the beginning of the North American Soviet State which is part of the greater Zbig-Kissinger vision...so, it's not Israel, it's not China and it's not really even Europe. It's the traitors in our very own midst...

That's my quick read and quick response, I wanted to get that in before I take off. I'll be back after dinner, read it a couple more times...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-11   18:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FOH (#60)

I get it, people assuming that the annihilation of the State of Israel is the cure all...

I think cures come in stages. Israel has been a major focus of the elite's efforts for more than 120 years. If we could only stop caring what happens to it at all, that would solve most of those problems.

I have. When I realized that the elites cared more about Israel's borders than mine, it was easy.

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-11   18:48:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Peppa (#55)

LOLOL!!

Glad you liked it. Nice to see you, Peppa.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-11   18:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: James Deffenbach (#62)

Glad you liked it. Nice to see you, Peppa.

Back atch'a JD!!

Isn't skipping through Wonderland a hoot? ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-11   18:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Peppa (#63)

Isn't skipping through Wonderland a hoot? ;)

Yes, it is! And I wonder which of the pills they were singing about in the song White Rabbit the Obamaphiles have been taking? The one that makes you larger or the one that makes you small? Clearly they haven't been taking the ones mama gives you that "don't do anything at all."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-11   19:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: James Deffenbach (#64)

Yes, it is! And I wonder which of the pills they were singing about in the song White Rabbit the Obamaphiles have been taking? The one that makes you larger or the one that makes you small? Clearly they haven't been taking the ones mama gives you that "don't do anything at all."

HA!

Great question!!!

Shall we ask Alice? ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-11   19:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: James Deffenbach (#64)

Actually, since the Matrix films, it is more a do you take the blue or red pill argument anymore.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-11   19:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Peppa (#65)

Great question!!!

Shall we ask Alice? ;)

Yes, by all means--I think they may have gotten some of what the caterpillar with the hookah was smoking. Or maybe the mushrooms.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-11   19:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Cynicom (#8)

I think it is incumbent upon you to make sure I get clued in on all rumors.

I hate being left out.

Will you please let me know when someone advises you? I'm usually late to these parties.

angle  posted on  2008-05-11   19:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ferret Mike (#66)

Actually, since the Matrix films, it is more a do you take the blue or red pill argument anymore.

No, it isn't even a question when I see people falling all over themselves slobbering over what they should know is just another establishment troll who has once again fooled a significant number of sheeple into believing that "this time it will be different." Makes me want to hurl.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-11   19:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: James Deffenbach (#67)

By golly.........

When men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving slow
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead

And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said;
"FEED YOUR HEAD

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-11   19:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: James Deffenbach (#69)

I have made clear I do not support destroying the sense that democracy and the process of participating in elections despite obvious problems with voting fraud or what Phyllis Schlafly's old book, "A choice, not an echo" talks about.

I deal with Nihilism locally all the time, and it's tenet 'Objective morality does not exist; therefore no action is logically preferable to any other' is not anything I buy into.

I go ahead and pick a candidate to support with eyes wide open to the problems with government and the election process we have here in the United States today.

I have many anarchist friends who believe in voluntary extinction and who feel not doing anything because everything is so fucked up in the world.

I have had my fill of that sort of mindset, so as I said, you are welcome to your opinion here, but I cannot buy into it.

Thanks for sharing it however.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-11   19:37:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ferret Mike, robin (#71)

Has robin left the building? Who else?

I think Red Jones is still posting here.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-05-11   21:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Fred Mertz (#72)

Robin is not posting here right now.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-11   23:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: christine (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   9:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: ghostdogtxn (#74)

thanks!

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   11:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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