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Title: CONSERVATIVES TO OBAMA: DON'T BRING SOCIALISM TO OREGON
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news46.htm
Published: May 12, 2008
Author: Jim Kouri
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:36:37 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 429
Comments: 41

Last week, Democrat Party presidential hopeful Barack Obama began his discussion of economic issues in the state of Oregon with the news media and workers at Verneir Software & Technology in Beaverton, Oregon.

A key point Obama made was his high-tax platform that he claimed would help Oregon's economy. However, according to conservative strategist Mike Baker, this is the same old "tax and spend," big-government plan that's been the bedrock of American socialism for years.

"Obama is a slick politician. He takes failed socialist programs and renames them and attempts to dupe people into believing this is cutting-edge economics. It's just Marxism with a new facade," claims Baker.

During his speech in Beaverton, Obama proposed a laundry list of tax hikes, but he failed to mention that Oregonians already carry a huge tax burden. For example, Senator Obama called for higher income taxes on the wealthy (people making $100,000 per year and more), higher Social Security taxes, higher corporate taxes and what he called "an investment tax."

"Liberals and Socialists will seldom use the word 'tax.' They prefer using euphemisms such as 'investment' or 'contribution' when they really mean mandatory taxation," said economist Warren Kelly of New York University.

"No successful economic system has ever taxed itself into prosperity," said Professor Kelly.

Part of Obama's plan for Oregon and other states is massive new domestic spending, and a healthcare plan that perhaps could be the next step to a full-scale, single-payer system. Is that what most Americans want, someone who will fulfill a Democratic policy wish list?" Yes, according to Sen. Obama and his followers.

"Obama sees himself as a modern day Robin Hood," claims Sid Francis, a former head of the African-American police organization in New York City, The Guardians.

"He's telling his followers that he's prepared to tax the supposed wealthiest Americans and turn the money over to his constituents,' said Det. Francis.

"Tax Freedom Day is the day when Americans finally have earned enough money to pay off their total tax bill for the year. In 2008, Oregon tax payers had to work until April 16 to pay their total tax bill, ranking it the 32nd highest in the nation," said economist Warren Kelly.

"If Obama's elected President and gets his way with a Democrat-run Senate and House of Representatives, Tax Freedom Day for Oregonians will quite possibly be May 15 of each year," said Kelly.

Kelly claims that Sen. Obama supports nearly doubling the Capital Gains tax rate, which is major tax hike for many Oregon residents.

CNBC's Maria Bartiromo told viewers that "He [Obama] wants to raise taxes. Right now, as you know, the cap gains tax is at 15%. He has yet to give us a specific number, how high he wants that number to go. He has said, and he told me today, that he won't go above 28%. So we are talking about the possibility of a doubling in the capital gains tax." (CNBC's "Closing Bell," 3/27/08)

Obama rationalized his tax hike when he said that raising the Capital Gains tax wouldn't "Distort ... Economic Decision Making."

He went on to say, "I think that we can have a capital gains rate that is higher than 15 percent. If it -- and if it, you know -- when I talk to people like Warren Buffet or others and I ask them, you know, what's -- how much of a difference is it going to be if it's 20 or 25 percent, they say, look, if it's within that range then it's not going to distort, I think, economic decision making."

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"In 2005, the average Capital Gains and dividend income reported per tax return in Oregon was $4,837. On average, it accounted for 9.82 percent of adjusted gross income," said Mike Baker.

"In the name of 'soaking the rich,' Obama is prepared to financially hurt working families who may come into large sums of cash for a variety of reasons," added Baker.

161,412 Oregon taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of less than $50,000 reported capital gains and as a result were hit with a huge tax bill. In addition, according to economists, Obama's opposition to the so-called "gas tax holiday" ignores the needs of Oregon families.

"He quite simply is opposed to any kind of tax relief while he ignores the needs of Oregon families," said Professor Kelly.

During an appearance at a community college in the Philadelphia suburbs, Obama rejected a tax holiday as bad economic policy.

"I've said I think John McCain's proposal for a three-month tax holiday is a bad idea," Obama said, warning consumers that any price cut would be short lived before costs spike back."

As Of May 9, 2008, the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded-gasoline in Oregon was well over $3.70.

Oregon uses a substantial amount of natural gas for electricity and home heating: Natural gas accounts for about one-third of Oregon's electricity generation.

Obama is Wrong for Oregon's Small Businesses

Political observers believe that small businesses are vital to Oregon's economy. According to a report by the Small Business Administration, in 2006 "Oregon had an estimated total of 350,500 small businesses. In fact, over 97 percent of Oregon's employer firms are small businesses.

"Employer firms totaled 110,900 in 2006, up 3.8 percent from the previous year. Of this total, an estimated 97.8 percent, or 108,500 were small."

"Quite simply, a President Barack Obama payroll tax hike would be a disaster of Oregon's small businesses," said Professor Kelly.

Also, Obama supports lifting the earnings cap on payroll taxes. Obama told Democrats that he believes "lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option."

"Lost in Obama's calculations is that many of the people who would be affected by eliminating the earnings cap are small-business owners who employ more than half the private-sector work force and create two of every three new jobs in this country," said Sid Francis, who owns a private security firm -- FLT Security Systems -- in New York.

"Hearing Obama's plans for Oregon should scare workers and business owners in the other 49 states. He's a big-government socialist who is trying to pull a fast one on American voters," said Francis.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike, mirage (#0)

whatcha think?

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   9:37:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#3. To: christine (#1) (Edited)

He is going to win Oregon by a wide margin. Bill is going to be here in Eugene today, and I will take note on the size and composition of the crowd. But Hillery drew a far smaller, older and mostly female crowd at South Eugene High's auditorium then either of Obama's huge, energetic rallies.

When I canvass in this land of a sea of Obama lawn signs, I have found few Hillary supporters.

Obama will take the Portland and Eugene metro areas by a wide margin, it will be tighter in more conservative Salem, except for the Hispanic community there which is bigger there then in Portland and Eugene greater metro.

Portland is the only part of the state with a Black population of any note, my area is very very very White, but extremely liberal in a way I doubt you see anywhere in Texas.

But remember Kerry had one of his largest ever rallies in Portland, and they pride themselves on being savvy about choosing the best pick to win in November. Obama is perceived as this person, and he is generating a great deal of excitement there.

As for the conservative sentiment in this article, big deal. This is a very blue state, and that will only be a factor in the southwestern part of the state and Eastern Oregon. Both areas are demographically minor parts of the voting population.

Portland's nickname is "Little Beirut," Eugene is a counter culture Mecca with the largest Lesbian population on the West Coast. It votes Democrat over Repug three to one, and the Clintons have their following, but the buzz is they had their day and Oregonians traditionally hate dynasties.

We are a very independent minded state and there are still way way way more Ron Paul lawn signs up then anything for McCain.

Cars with McCain stickers are yelled at and flipped off, McCain Lawn signs don't last very long. Ron Paul is respected in the very liberal activist circles I belong to or associate too. If you want to be a social pariah here in Eugene, get a McCain button.

If he came to Eugene or Portland, he will have to do canned, small and highly controlled audiences or do what Cheney did and only go to tiny Junction City just north of Eugene, or hide in an auditorium in Beaverton near Portland.

McCain is the anti-Christ here. The Bushes are the people with bull's eyes painted on their fat asses.

Daddy and Mum Bushie for example rode the train south and were taken off north of Eugene in a field and whisked to a car to be taken to their plane at the Eugene Airport, they were terrified of having him arrive at the train station where you can throw a rock and hit several forest and social activist office buildings, (one of which my office is in.)

The Democratic Party of Oregon is the party of our own personal Ron Paul, the late Senator Wayne Lyman Morse. The federal building they just built is the Morse federal courthouse, there is a statue of the Senator at the Lane County Court House and the Wayne Mores Ranch a large museum-park.

Oregonians are very very anti-war, very very anti-Bush and McStain, and it is nerdy and terminally nostalgic to support Clinton and thus the demographics going for Hil are narrow and older people closer to the center politically then most Democrats.

The Repugs here tend to be more liberal then the national average and Obama is popular with a wide segment of them. They will go Obama before going McStain.

I saw one amusing weekend confrontation where a couple of bicyclists slammed their hands on a cadillac escalade SUV with McStain stickers compelling the young men to jump out to try to catch them.

But they had been swallowed by the Friday mass of Neohippies, anarchists, and other Whiteaker neighborhood people at Sam Bond's Garage (bar)and they got vigorously chased back to the cadillac escalade which suffered a cracked window, broken taillight and other damage as the boys who had run back to it for their very lives retreated.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-12 11:58:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#1)

I forgot to mention too the voting is done solely by mail and thus the turnout high. A high turn out and the very obviously superior organization of the Oregon Obama campaign is going to bury Hillary this primary here.

That campaign has already canvassed all Democrat and independent voters, and will be aggressively making sure all those who indicated they preferred Obama turn in ballots. The Obama campaign is rich with local talent, the relatively new Hillary campaign here started late, is playing catch-up, and the staff are all imported to make the offices work.

They can't get the manpower to canvass as well as they would like, and canvassers for them have a high turnover because the Obama tide is discouraging to see when you are a Clinton worker going door to door.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-12 12:13:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#1)

I'm going to disagree with Ferret due to personal experience and I think things will be a lot closer than he thinks.

I spend a lot of time down at Portland State, which is Oregon's largest University. OHSU, just up the street, is Portland's largest employer.

The attitude at both is "Obama in the Primary, not in the General."

The same attitude exists down in Silicon Valley among the working stiff Engineering set who are tired of Sacramento taxing them into oblivion.

Oregon is in play for the general. There is a rabid anti-tax attitude in Oregon that Ferret is discounting. Think Measure 5 and successors, all of which pass by wide (10%+) margins.

My spies in the local Democrat Party Office in Portland see this coming as well. All of THEM (meaning the Limousine Liberal Elite) are Hillary people.

Based on that and people on the street in Washington and Clackamas Counties questioning Obama's inability to articulate a singular vision and wanting to put up a tariff wall (believe it or not they see this as a problem) they are giving McCain a second look.

Oregon is in play. Its not as blue as Ferret claims it is due to the extreme Libertarian and anti-tax attitudes in the state. The extreme leftist attitudes in Oregon only exist in *parts* of Portland and Eugene. The rest of the state (with half the population) gets annoyed at their taxes going up.

I'll agree with Ferret that there are no McCain signs anywhere. In fact, in Portland, there are Ron Paul signs everywhere still, particularly because Oregon hasn't had its primary vote yet.

Oregon went for Reagan twice. Don't discount the Reagan Democrats. There are an awful lot of pissed off working stiffs in Oregon and people who are tired of the radicals who infest Portland.

OR is a state where Gun Control doesn't play. It isn't as blue as anyone claims. Its more Libertarian than Socialist.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12 12:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#1) (Edited)

One other item to note.

A few years ago at the height of the gay marriage thing, a number of Multnomah County commissioners decided on their own to "re-interpret the law" and issue marriage licenses.

None of the ringleaders were re-elected. Not a single one of them. Portland is in Multnomah County and the County Offices are in SE Portland as I recall.

Even Portland is not as liberal as Ferret makes it out to be. He's not looking beyond his own personal radical crowd at the general population. Most people barely tolerate the radicals and would love to eliminate them. The nutcases are a big driver of people toward carry permits because they have no respect for anyone but themselves.

As an aside, in Washington County, you see Obama stickers here on very nice cars, but not on old beat-up Hondas.

You see Ron Paul stickers on those.

Also keep in mind that Clark County WA, where Vancouver is, well, they went for Ron Paul in the primary up there. Paul won in Clark County, which is a bedroom community for Portland. They aren't likely to go for Obama up there in the General. That can be used as a proxy for the section of Portland that isn't on welfare.

Another note - where I live, there is no such thing as an Obama Yard Sign in the neighborhood. Not a single one. This is one of the better areas too, mostly middle-class and retired folks here. Plenty of cars with stickers saying "Dirt Worshiper" still with Kerry stickers, but nothing for Obama. Zip, zero, nada.

There are plenty of Ron Paul signs, though, including my own.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12 12:44:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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