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Title: CONSERVATIVES TO OBAMA: DON'T BRING SOCIALISM TO OREGON
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news46.htm
Published: May 12, 2008
Author: Jim Kouri
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:36:37 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 481
Comments: 41

Last week, Democrat Party presidential hopeful Barack Obama began his discussion of economic issues in the state of Oregon with the news media and workers at Verneir Software & Technology in Beaverton, Oregon.

A key point Obama made was his high-tax platform that he claimed would help Oregon's economy. However, according to conservative strategist Mike Baker, this is the same old "tax and spend," big-government plan that's been the bedrock of American socialism for years.

"Obama is a slick politician. He takes failed socialist programs and renames them and attempts to dupe people into believing this is cutting-edge economics. It's just Marxism with a new facade," claims Baker.

During his speech in Beaverton, Obama proposed a laundry list of tax hikes, but he failed to mention that Oregonians already carry a huge tax burden. For example, Senator Obama called for higher income taxes on the wealthy (people making $100,000 per year and more), higher Social Security taxes, higher corporate taxes and what he called "an investment tax."

"Liberals and Socialists will seldom use the word 'tax.' They prefer using euphemisms such as 'investment' or 'contribution' when they really mean mandatory taxation," said economist Warren Kelly of New York University.

"No successful economic system has ever taxed itself into prosperity," said Professor Kelly.

Part of Obama's plan for Oregon and other states is massive new domestic spending, and a healthcare plan that perhaps could be the next step to a full-scale, single-payer system. Is that what most Americans want, someone who will fulfill a Democratic policy wish list?" Yes, according to Sen. Obama and his followers.

"Obama sees himself as a modern day Robin Hood," claims Sid Francis, a former head of the African-American police organization in New York City, The Guardians.

"He's telling his followers that he's prepared to tax the supposed wealthiest Americans and turn the money over to his constituents,' said Det. Francis.

"Tax Freedom Day is the day when Americans finally have earned enough money to pay off their total tax bill for the year. In 2008, Oregon tax payers had to work until April 16 to pay their total tax bill, ranking it the 32nd highest in the nation," said economist Warren Kelly.

"If Obama's elected President and gets his way with a Democrat-run Senate and House of Representatives, Tax Freedom Day for Oregonians will quite possibly be May 15 of each year," said Kelly.

Kelly claims that Sen. Obama supports nearly doubling the Capital Gains tax rate, which is major tax hike for many Oregon residents.

CNBC's Maria Bartiromo told viewers that "He [Obama] wants to raise taxes. Right now, as you know, the cap gains tax is at 15%. He has yet to give us a specific number, how high he wants that number to go. He has said, and he told me today, that he won't go above 28%. So we are talking about the possibility of a doubling in the capital gains tax." (CNBC's "Closing Bell," 3/27/08)

Obama rationalized his tax hike when he said that raising the Capital Gains tax wouldn't "Distort ... Economic Decision Making."

He went on to say, "I think that we can have a capital gains rate that is higher than 15 percent. If it -- and if it, you know -- when I talk to people like Warren Buffet or others and I ask them, you know, what's -- how much of a difference is it going to be if it's 20 or 25 percent, they say, look, if it's within that range then it's not going to distort, I think, economic decision making."

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"In 2005, the average Capital Gains and dividend income reported per tax return in Oregon was $4,837. On average, it accounted for 9.82 percent of adjusted gross income," said Mike Baker.

"In the name of 'soaking the rich,' Obama is prepared to financially hurt working families who may come into large sums of cash for a variety of reasons," added Baker.

161,412 Oregon taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of less than $50,000 reported capital gains and as a result were hit with a huge tax bill. In addition, according to economists, Obama's opposition to the so-called "gas tax holiday" ignores the needs of Oregon families.

"He quite simply is opposed to any kind of tax relief while he ignores the needs of Oregon families," said Professor Kelly.

During an appearance at a community college in the Philadelphia suburbs, Obama rejected a tax holiday as bad economic policy.

"I've said I think John McCain's proposal for a three-month tax holiday is a bad idea," Obama said, warning consumers that any price cut would be short lived before costs spike back."

As Of May 9, 2008, the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded-gasoline in Oregon was well over $3.70.

Oregon uses a substantial amount of natural gas for electricity and home heating: Natural gas accounts for about one-third of Oregon's electricity generation.

Obama is Wrong for Oregon's Small Businesses

Political observers believe that small businesses are vital to Oregon's economy. According to a report by the Small Business Administration, in 2006 "Oregon had an estimated total of 350,500 small businesses. In fact, over 97 percent of Oregon's employer firms are small businesses.

"Employer firms totaled 110,900 in 2006, up 3.8 percent from the previous year. Of this total, an estimated 97.8 percent, or 108,500 were small."

"Quite simply, a President Barack Obama payroll tax hike would be a disaster of Oregon's small businesses," said Professor Kelly.

Also, Obama supports lifting the earnings cap on payroll taxes. Obama told Democrats that he believes "lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option."

"Lost in Obama's calculations is that many of the people who would be affected by eliminating the earnings cap are small-business owners who employ more than half the private-sector work force and create two of every three new jobs in this country," said Sid Francis, who owns a private security firm -- FLT Security Systems -- in New York.

"Hearing Obama's plans for Oregon should scare workers and business owners in the other 49 states. He's a big-government socialist who is trying to pull a fast one on American voters," said Francis.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike, mirage (#0)

whatcha think?

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   9:37:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#1)

I'm going to disagree with Ferret due to personal experience and I think things will be a lot closer than he thinks.

I spend a lot of time down at Portland State, which is Oregon's largest University. OHSU, just up the street, is Portland's largest employer.

The attitude at both is "Obama in the Primary, not in the General."

The same attitude exists down in Silicon Valley among the working stiff Engineering set who are tired of Sacramento taxing them into oblivion.

Oregon is in play for the general. There is a rabid anti-tax attitude in Oregon that Ferret is discounting. Think Measure 5 and successors, all of which pass by wide (10%+) margins.

My spies in the local Democrat Party Office in Portland see this coming as well. All of THEM (meaning the Limousine Liberal Elite) are Hillary people.

Based on that and people on the street in Washington and Clackamas Counties questioning Obama's inability to articulate a singular vision and wanting to put up a tariff wall (believe it or not they see this as a problem) they are giving McCain a second look.

Oregon is in play. Its not as blue as Ferret claims it is due to the extreme Libertarian and anti-tax attitudes in the state. The extreme leftist attitudes in Oregon only exist in *parts* of Portland and Eugene. The rest of the state (with half the population) gets annoyed at their taxes going up.

I'll agree with Ferret that there are no McCain signs anywhere. In fact, in Portland, there are Ron Paul signs everywhere still, particularly because Oregon hasn't had its primary vote yet.

Oregon went for Reagan twice. Don't discount the Reagan Democrats. There are an awful lot of pissed off working stiffs in Oregon and people who are tired of the radicals who infest Portland.

OR is a state where Gun Control doesn't play. It isn't as blue as anyone claims. Its more Libertarian than Socialist.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   12:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mirage (#5)

I disagree. Portland has a huge population of young, well to do urban professionals who we are showing as being very receptive to Obama. I also was at the Multinomah courthouse when they were issuing marriage certificates watching the show, and there were scant few people protesting or harassing the crowd there in long lines for marriage certificates.

Mayor Potter's daughter is a cop as he was, and a lesbian too, and the gay and lesbian community is large and vibrant in the Portland area, and domestic licenses are very popular a solution to the gay marriage controversy.

When I was in Portland for a year and a half I did activism, worked at Free Geek building computers, socialized and the Red and Black coffeehouse coop, and usually if I wanted to take a break fro Saturday Market I would go get food or coffee at the Fox and Hound nearby which is a gay bar I was never bothered in once the regulars know I was heterosexual.

I got to know Darcelle there, the cross dressing owner of Darcelle's which has cross dressing lip sync performers and is a local institution in Old Town, and I worked quite a bit at Portland Indymedia.

The local activist/anarchist community is vibrant and strong, and the Portland Metro area is going to go Obama in a big way. I would bet money on it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-12   14:33:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#16. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

The local activist/anarchist community is vibrant and strong, and the Portland Metro area is going to go Obama in a big way. I would bet money on it.

That's 5% of the Portland Metro Area at most. What about the other 95%?

I know all about the gay community in Portland; they're not the same as the San Francisco community and a lot of them don't like the in-your-face methods because it leads to blowback.

Keep in mind, Oregon in general is a pretty calm and sedate place. Outside of the small (compared to the population) radical community, people express themselves sedately.

If Multnomah County was as radical as you claim, then the folks who pushed the Gay Marriage licenses would still be in power. They aren't. They got tossed by a wide margin.

What you're claiming does not jibe with reality. You're taking a microcosm and expanding it everywhere. Its still a microcosm. Reality is showing opposite results.

Oregon is a very tolerant state until people start throwing things in others' faces. When that happens, the citizenry quietly removes the offending individuals at the ballot box.

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