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Title: CONSERVATIVES TO OBAMA: DON'T BRING SOCIALISM TO OREGON
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news46.htm
Published: May 12, 2008
Author: Jim Kouri
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:36:37 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 444
Comments: 41

Last week, Democrat Party presidential hopeful Barack Obama began his discussion of economic issues in the state of Oregon with the news media and workers at Verneir Software & Technology in Beaverton, Oregon.

A key point Obama made was his high-tax platform that he claimed would help Oregon's economy. However, according to conservative strategist Mike Baker, this is the same old "tax and spend," big-government plan that's been the bedrock of American socialism for years.

"Obama is a slick politician. He takes failed socialist programs and renames them and attempts to dupe people into believing this is cutting-edge economics. It's just Marxism with a new facade," claims Baker.

During his speech in Beaverton, Obama proposed a laundry list of tax hikes, but he failed to mention that Oregonians already carry a huge tax burden. For example, Senator Obama called for higher income taxes on the wealthy (people making $100,000 per year and more), higher Social Security taxes, higher corporate taxes and what he called "an investment tax."

"Liberals and Socialists will seldom use the word 'tax.' They prefer using euphemisms such as 'investment' or 'contribution' when they really mean mandatory taxation," said economist Warren Kelly of New York University.

"No successful economic system has ever taxed itself into prosperity," said Professor Kelly.

Part of Obama's plan for Oregon and other states is massive new domestic spending, and a healthcare plan that perhaps could be the next step to a full-scale, single-payer system. Is that what most Americans want, someone who will fulfill a Democratic policy wish list?" Yes, according to Sen. Obama and his followers.

"Obama sees himself as a modern day Robin Hood," claims Sid Francis, a former head of the African-American police organization in New York City, The Guardians.

"He's telling his followers that he's prepared to tax the supposed wealthiest Americans and turn the money over to his constituents,' said Det. Francis.

"Tax Freedom Day is the day when Americans finally have earned enough money to pay off their total tax bill for the year. In 2008, Oregon tax payers had to work until April 16 to pay their total tax bill, ranking it the 32nd highest in the nation," said economist Warren Kelly.

"If Obama's elected President and gets his way with a Democrat-run Senate and House of Representatives, Tax Freedom Day for Oregonians will quite possibly be May 15 of each year," said Kelly.

Kelly claims that Sen. Obama supports nearly doubling the Capital Gains tax rate, which is major tax hike for many Oregon residents.

CNBC's Maria Bartiromo told viewers that "He [Obama] wants to raise taxes. Right now, as you know, the cap gains tax is at 15%. He has yet to give us a specific number, how high he wants that number to go. He has said, and he told me today, that he won't go above 28%. So we are talking about the possibility of a doubling in the capital gains tax." (CNBC's "Closing Bell," 3/27/08)

Obama rationalized his tax hike when he said that raising the Capital Gains tax wouldn't "Distort ... Economic Decision Making."

He went on to say, "I think that we can have a capital gains rate that is higher than 15 percent. If it -- and if it, you know -- when I talk to people like Warren Buffet or others and I ask them, you know, what's -- how much of a difference is it going to be if it's 20 or 25 percent, they say, look, if it's within that range then it's not going to distort, I think, economic decision making."

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"In 2005, the average Capital Gains and dividend income reported per tax return in Oregon was $4,837. On average, it accounted for 9.82 percent of adjusted gross income," said Mike Baker.

"In the name of 'soaking the rich,' Obama is prepared to financially hurt working families who may come into large sums of cash for a variety of reasons," added Baker.

161,412 Oregon taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of less than $50,000 reported capital gains and as a result were hit with a huge tax bill. In addition, according to economists, Obama's opposition to the so-called "gas tax holiday" ignores the needs of Oregon families.

"He quite simply is opposed to any kind of tax relief while he ignores the needs of Oregon families," said Professor Kelly.

During an appearance at a community college in the Philadelphia suburbs, Obama rejected a tax holiday as bad economic policy.

"I've said I think John McCain's proposal for a three-month tax holiday is a bad idea," Obama said, warning consumers that any price cut would be short lived before costs spike back."

As Of May 9, 2008, the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded-gasoline in Oregon was well over $3.70.

Oregon uses a substantial amount of natural gas for electricity and home heating: Natural gas accounts for about one-third of Oregon's electricity generation.

Obama is Wrong for Oregon's Small Businesses

Political observers believe that small businesses are vital to Oregon's economy. According to a report by the Small Business Administration, in 2006 "Oregon had an estimated total of 350,500 small businesses. In fact, over 97 percent of Oregon's employer firms are small businesses.

"Employer firms totaled 110,900 in 2006, up 3.8 percent from the previous year. Of this total, an estimated 97.8 percent, or 108,500 were small."

"Quite simply, a President Barack Obama payroll tax hike would be a disaster of Oregon's small businesses," said Professor Kelly.

Also, Obama supports lifting the earnings cap on payroll taxes. Obama told Democrats that he believes "lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option."

"Lost in Obama's calculations is that many of the people who would be affected by eliminating the earnings cap are small-business owners who employ more than half the private-sector work force and create two of every three new jobs in this country," said Sid Francis, who owns a private security firm -- FLT Security Systems -- in New York.

"Hearing Obama's plans for Oregon should scare workers and business owners in the other 49 states. He's a big-government socialist who is trying to pull a fast one on American voters," said Francis.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike, mirage (#0)

whatcha think?

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   9:37:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#1) (Edited)

One other item to note.

A few years ago at the height of the gay marriage thing, a number of Multnomah County commissioners decided on their own to "re-interpret the law" and issue marriage licenses.

None of the ringleaders were re-elected. Not a single one of them. Portland is in Multnomah County and the County Offices are in SE Portland as I recall.

Even Portland is not as liberal as Ferret makes it out to be. He's not looking beyond his own personal radical crowd at the general population. Most people barely tolerate the radicals and would love to eliminate them. The nutcases are a big driver of people toward carry permits because they have no respect for anyone but themselves.

As an aside, in Washington County, you see Obama stickers here on very nice cars, but not on old beat-up Hondas.

You see Ron Paul stickers on those.

Also keep in mind that Clark County WA, where Vancouver is, well, they went for Ron Paul in the primary up there. Paul won in Clark County, which is a bedroom community for Portland. They aren't likely to go for Obama up there in the General. That can be used as a proxy for the section of Portland that isn't on welfare.

Another note - where I live, there is no such thing as an Obama Yard Sign in the neighborhood. Not a single one. This is one of the better areas too, mostly middle-class and retired folks here. Plenty of cars with stickers saying "Dirt Worshiper" still with Kerry stickers, but nothing for Obama. Zip, zero, nada.

There are plenty of Ron Paul signs, though, including my own.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   12:44:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mirage (#11)

Thanks for the eye witness. That's good information to know.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   13:53:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: angle (#12) (Edited)

Thanks for the eye witness.

You're welcome.

On my block, there is a family that typically goes "all out" come election time. In 2004 and 2006, they had their entire house and yard covered with signs both at primary time and for the general. They don't go small either. We're talking the four-foot by six-foot kind of signs. Can you say Party HQ types?

This year...nothing. Mine is the only 'national office' yard sign in the neighborhood and this is an area where you normally see a lot of that - all Democrat-oriented too. On all of the major roads, though, there are Ron Paul signs everywhere, but no "Obama" or "Hillary" signs.

I think I've seen one Obama sign on the side of a major road westside and it was completely dwarfed by the Ron Paul sign in front of it. I'll have to go looking for more, but I just don't see it.

In the city of Portland, you see the occasional sign, but unless you're in a neighborhood well known for being "effite" or "hip" there isn't a lot of anything except for the mayor's race and some of the judges up for election.

Its an eerie non-yard-sign-advertising season in Portland for national office in yards. The TeeVee, on the other hand, is running ads 24x7, but since I don't watch TeeVee too often, I don't see those.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   14:05:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mirage, christine (#13)

However, the liberal bastion of Oregon in the northwestern US, is leaning 51pc for Obama, 39pc for the former first lady.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=217126&Sn=WORL&IssueID=31053

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-12   14:46:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#15)

However, the liberal bastion of Oregon in the northwestern US, is leaning 51pc for Obama, 39pc for the former first lady.

That's the primary. Its not the General. For the General, from what I'm seeing, Oregon is in play.

The theme I'm picking up is "Obama in the primary, but not in the General" which is weird but pretty consistent.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   14:52:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mirage (#17)

"The theme I'm picking up is "Obama in the primary, but not in the General" which is weird but pretty consistent."

Dream on, Oregon is going Democrat this election.

I know a little something too. And as I mentioned, I am the one who detected and documented the fraud in the Nader petition campaign to get on the ballot and I was the one who blew the whistle on it.

If you can access the first stories on that issue last election, you find my name, Michael McCarthy prominent in them, as I spoke at the press conference at the SEIU Union HQ where the investigation of the fraud was announced.

I have my ear to the rail too, and I see Obama's support as strong and growing rapidly here. When he gets the nomination and comes to PDX in Autumn, he will also have a huge rally, probably also in Tom McCall Park by the Columbia River too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-12   15:01:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#20)

Dream on, Oregon is going Democrat this election.

I never said Oregon was going one way or another. I said it was "in play" which is a far cry from saying its going for one party or another.

Stop projecting and take a look at the facts.

The reason Oregon is in play is because of the same reasons other states are going to be in play. Hillary supporters are up for grabs.

That puts 30% of the Democrats in Oregon up for grabs and since the state is pretty much split evenly between Republicans and Democrats, that alone puts it into play.

Where it ends up is anyone's guess right now, but the Hillary Democrats put it into play as opposed to being a lock.

Kerry took Oregon with 51% of the vote in 2004. If you put 30% of the Democrats into the "up for grabs" category, it is anyone's guess as to where it actually goes in the General.

Oregon is in play in 2008.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   15:11:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mirage (#24)

Survey USA Oregon Poll conducted on April 4 - April 6 showed Obama leading Clinton by 10 % points – 52 % to 42 % among Oregon Democratic primary voters. Conducted on sample size of 597, the poll, with Margin of error: ± 4.1 %, indicated a big win for Obama.

Survey USA Oregon Poll conducted on 28 April – 30 April showed Obama leading Clinton by 6 % points – 50 % to 44 % among Oregon Democratic primary voters. Conducted on sample size of 650, the poll, with Margin of error: ± 3.9 %, indicated a respectable victory for Obama.

Rasmussen Reports conducted on 1 May showed Obama leading Clinton by 12 % points – 51 % to 39 % among Oregon Democratic primary voters. Conducted on sample size of 867, the poll, with Margin of error: ± 3 %, indicated a huge victory for Obama.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-12   15:29:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

Mike - you're looking at polling data for the primary. Worry about the General.

Obama already has a lock on the primary from what the polling says about Oregon. I'll say it again, probably for the third or fourth time on this thread: Obama will take Oregon in the primary.

The general is for all the marbles. The general is where Oregon moves from lock to "in play" due to the Hillary Democrats.

If you're this worked up over the primary and you can't see that someone you're trying to talk to keeps agreeing with you over what the primary results will be and you want to keep arguing the issue, you'll be useless for the general and be spending your time antagonizing people instead of winning them over.

Now, repeat after mirage: "Obama will take Oregon in the primary. We both agree on that."

Please do that at least three times so it sinks in :-)

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   15:49:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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