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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican. “I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides. A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race. But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president. Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections. No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points. West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent. A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”. “If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.” Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race. Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House. None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state. Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Michelle, who described America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president. Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment. Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.
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#80. To: scrapper2 (#75)
Despite this well known truism it was considered impolite to mention it in the company of socialists, and was never to be seen in campaign mailers or letters to the editor of AARP Magazine. So, they all knew that sooner or later the well would go dry. For many years I've heard seniors say that they expect it but they don't care what happens to America or their own children/grandchildren as long as it's after they're dead and gone! So, those who bought the false promises of the Roosevelt Administration and basked in the pandering of irresponsible politicians ever since are welcome to try and survive an uncertain future with the rest of us. (If they're willing to babysit we can let them gnaw the bones and lick the pan after we fry some batwings) After all, we grew the seed corn and they ate it, so, what further obligation could we possibly have to them when the fraud ($) is most useful, bundled and burned as fuel in fireplaces?
I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :) Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That's the type of "hope" that causes the Stalinist witch to believe "change" is coming !! What great theater...
Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese. Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)
Yeah, sounds ok. We don't have one of those where I live but I have eaten in them before.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I have to admit I'm in a subway sandwich situation right now. I have a Jimmy Johns (great, fast sandwiches at a decent price - THEY DELIVER for fitty cents) close by, a Subway not far off (their fi-dolla promotion was just made a permanent fi-dolla footlong value menu) and not much further away a Quiznos (which countered Subway's fi-dolla deal and now might make IT permanent in light of Subway's new campaign)... I like mine grilled btw. ;)
Okie doke. Duly noted. I'll whip up a batch of cornbread and fried okra too. Sweet Tea.
That's the type of "hope" that causes the Stalinist witch to believe "change" is coming !! What great theater... Hehehe.. it is, it is! Votes will not be cast until 6/3. Super D's can change their mind on the convention floor. If all those bitter people show up from other states, it's possible they might find out that Obie has zero chance of winning the general. They'll have to decide if they are racists or sexists, and which one has a better chance to hold the flock and make it look believable on election day.
Okay. I like their Italian sammie.. Noted.
Hehehe.. it is, it is! Votes will not be cast until 6/3. Super D's can change their mind on the convention floor. If all those bitter people show up from other states, it's possible they might find out that Obie has zero chance of winning the general. They'll have to decide if they are racists or sexists, and which one has a better chance to hold the flock and make it look believable on election day. It's hard to believe but once again the CFR has found a way...they've outdone themselves this time. Without the CFR's neocomies they could NEVER push their neocons...
Hot peppas, peppa jack, toasted, vinegar/oil/salt/peppa...heheheh
That is a super deal! We bitter folks have to get as much as we can with change. I like mine grilled btw. ;) Me too. You know, I may just have to roll out the BBQ and we'll just throw on some mystery meat and beans.
That only applies to certain sandwiches and doesn't include mushrooms on any sandwich. The Subway sandwich I like isn't included in that promotion.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL!! You got it!
I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;) Be back when I get back...
Damn your luck !!! lolol There are 8 to choose from, surely ONE would tickle your fancy !? Here's my local sandwich eatery quality rating, assuming the fi-dolla footlong deals: #1 JJs #2 Quiznos #3 Subway Gotta run, and NOT for office...
Yep. That is good with my ham and cheese. 'Cept I got to thinkin' 'bout how bad I will feel when the Obummer supporters tell us how much money they have given him that I may not be able to eat a bite. Y'know, not being able to help out in a worthy cause and all.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Be back when I get back... Mmmmmm-mmmmm.. that does sound good. Thank you for the invite! Well, I can't show up empty handed.. I'll bring the Ripple. ;)
You do have a point. Thing is though, they are the leaders in worthy causes. To learn, we much be well nourished.
Sounds like some good munchin's at your house.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well, that is a good point too. Maybe I could FORCE myself to eat a little something if I knew that I could be of some help to the admirable goal of installing another commie in the White House.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The famine was used as an effective tool under approval of the communist government in Ukraine to break the renaissance of Ukrainian culture. As they say, one thing leads to another. Weimar led to Hitler. And history repeats itself. That's why many here can see Obaba for who he is and what he represents: the ruination of America.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
That's the unity spirit!!!!
Well, I wouldn't want to be known as someone who isn't even willing to, in the immortal words of Phil Collins, "do my bit for law and order." ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Hehehehe......
My first wife, the overeducated school marm, would scream at me when truly pissed: “You bastard would bring back slavery, if you could!” I never argued the point, which pissed her off even more. Women! On a totally different post: for those that did not minor in European history. The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe. I barely survived American History, so I do appreciate that so many are willing to share their knowledge. I was good at geography though. That should count for something. :)
By fascists and Nazis. And I suspect only fascists and Nazis remember this factoid today. And, even if Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I don't get the disconnect. One follows the other, ie, the second is a natural progression of the first. Weren't people suffering, starving and unable to live with the untenable economic forces which gave rise to the radical Nazism?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
A lot of them thought in 1931-3 that the conditions were unbearable. 1943-7 taught them what it means for conditions to be really unbearable. And the Nazi takeover was far from inevitable. Had a corrupt ruling class not decided that giving them power was the easiest way out, it could have been avoided.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
They indeed worked hand and glove with their socialist buddy Stalin to train the German Army and and Air Force in Russia despite the Versailles treaty. The Jews of Russia had indeed formed the the German military for Hitler.
I will have to defer to the historians for that. There is a serious disagreement in that respect as I have followed the conversation here.
hey, scrapper, good to see you again.
They indeed worked hand and glove with their socialist buddy Stalin to train the German Army and and Air Force in Russia despite the Versailles treaty. The Jews of Russia had indeed formed the the German military for Hitler. Now that I was not aware of until now. I'd like to research that further, do you have a (best) source Cyni ?
No disagreement. robins ruffians never studied history unless it was written by the jews. Gen. von Seeckt of the Weimar was plotting WW2 within 90 days of cease fire of WW1. Robin and her ruffians knew all about the Weimar but never heard of von Seeckt. Shallow intellect for professed history experts.
The struggle must continue !! FOH... There are so many good ones that one has to pick and chose. The Jews of Russia were working hand and glove with the Jews of Germany in disregard of Versailles, in forming the new Germany Army which Hitler was to use. I supposed most knew of such, course Ari and robin expressed total disbelief. In fact the Germans had no paratroops, the Russians trained them, the ones used at Fort Emmanuel and later on Crete. I will see if I can find a good url...Dont look at Wikiup, jews control that too.
Fascinating. Thank you in advance...
robins ruffians never studied history unless it was written by the jews. Poor choice of words on my part. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you did not read from the approved shelf. I've been told that once a new book is written, the old one is obsolete. Facts and details as such are not relevant. I happen to disagree with that point of view, but then, one has to consider the agenda of the seller. Gen. von Seeckt of the Weimar was plotting WW2 within 90 days of cease fire of WW1. Robin and her ruffians knew all about the Weimar but never heard of von Seeckt. Shallow intellect for professed history experts. To their defense, perhaps such details did not make it to the new book? Just when you think you know all there is to know, you might begin to wonder, is this all I'm supposed to know? Were facts deleted to promote an agenda, or to hide one?
Sanitized and revised history books are the last place to look for anything that is untoward towards Jews and their mission.
I supposed most knew of such, course Ari and robin expressed total disbelief. In fact the Germans had no paratroops, the Russians trained them, the ones used at Fort Emmanuel and later on Crete.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." - Alexander Tyler
#81. To: Peppa (#79)
Welcome JD.
Lord Acton
#82. To: Peppa (#0)
A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.
#83. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#81)
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I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :)
#84. To: FOH (#83)
Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)
Lord Acton
#85. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#84)
Yeah, sounds ok. We don't have one of those where I live but I have eaten in them before.
#86. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese.
#87. To: FOH (#82)
A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.
#88. To: FOH (#83)
Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)
#89. To: Peppa (#87)
What great theater...
#90. To: Peppa (#88)
I like their Italian sammie..
#91. To: FOH (#85)
and not much further away a Quiznos (which countered Subway's fi-dolla deal and now might make IT permanent in light of Subway's new campaign)...
#92. To: FOH (#85)
Subway not far off (their fi-dolla promotion was just made a permanent fi-dolla footlong value menu)
Lord Acton
#93. To: FOH (#90)
Hot peppas, peppa jack, toasted, vinegar/oil/salt/peppa...heheheh
#94. To: Peppa (#91)
You know, I may just have to roll out the BBQ and we'll just throw on some mystery meat and beans.
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#92)
That only applies to certain sandwiches and doesn't include mushrooms on any sandwich. The Subway sandwich I like isn't included in that promotion.
#96. To: Peppa (#86)
Sweet Tea.
Lord Acton
#97. To: FOH (#94)
I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;)
#98. To: James Deffenbach (#96)
'Cept I got to thinkin' 'bout how bad I will feel when the Obummer supporters tell us how much money they have given him that I may not be able to eat a bite. Y'know, not being able to help out in a worthy cause and all.
#99. To: FOH (#94)
I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;)
Lord Acton
#100. To: Peppa, FOH (#98)
Thing is though, they are the leaders in worthy causes. To learn, we much be well nourished.
Lord Acton
#101. To: aristeides (#51)
And my relatives fled the Communists who took over the Ukraine, artificially instituted famine and murdered millions.
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
Maybe I could FORCE myself to eat a little something if I knew that I could be of some help to the admirable goal of installing another commie in the White House.
#103. To: Peppa (#102)
That's the unity spirit!!!!
Lord Acton
#104. To: James Deffenbach (#103)
Well, I wouldn't want to be known as someone who isn't even willing to, in the immortal words of Phil Collins, "do my bit for law and order." ahaha.
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured.
#106. To: karelian (#105)
On a totally different post: for those that did not minor in European history.
#107. To: karelian (#105)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#108. To: Peppa (#106)
Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created.
#109. To: angle (#108)
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#110. To: karelian (#105)
(Edited)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#111. To: angle (#108)
Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created. I don't get the disconnect. One follows the other, ie, the second is a natural progression of the first. Weren't people suffering, starving and unable to live with the untenable economic forces which gave rise to the radical Nazism?
#112. To: scrapper2 (#75)
#113. To: Cynicom (#110)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#114. To: Peppa, angle (#111)
There is a serious disagreement in that respect as I have followed the conversation here.
#115. To: scrapper2 (#75)
I agree with you - "white guilt" has little to do, imo, with Obama's surging popularity. It's all about his promises of benefits to the rubes. It's also about the promise that he makes to tax "the rich" - ie. a family that earns $100,000 and more - and in so doing Obama works the envy wedge that has grown in recent years between the economic classes in our society, specifically between the lower and those above. Success and economic independence used to be values that were respected in America. Not anymore. Now it's equal outcomes and entitlements.
#116. To: FOH, Peppa, angle (#113)
#117. To: Cynicom (#116)
#118. To: Cynicom (#114)
No disagreement.
#119. To: Peppa (#118)
To their defense, perhaps such details did not make it to the new book? Just when you think you know all there is to know, you might begin to wonder, is this all I'm supposed to know? Were facts deleted to promote an agenda, or to hide one?
#120. To: Cynicom, Peppa, aristeides, robin (#116)
The Jews of Russia were working hand and glove with the Jews of Germany in disregard of Versailles, in forming the new Germany Army which Hitler was to use.
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