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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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URL Source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a- ... 7658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1
Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.

But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president.

Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.

No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.

“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”

Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race.

Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House.

None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state.

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich­elle, who des­cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Rep­ub­lican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said. Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#1. To: Peppa (#0)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

A few more tornadoes hitting crackers, and all the talk of a Global Tax will probably not be popular by the convention. Imagine.. all those bitter folks in one place.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peppa (#4)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:09:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#6)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

True. Will make for a huge turnout for McCain.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:14:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peppa, Jethro tull (#10)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:22:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured. Steele absolves whites living today b/c most, if not all, have no connection to slavery. Our Guilters missed the memo, obviously.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured.

My first wife, the overeducated school marm, would scream at me when truly pissed: “You bastard would bring back slavery, if you could!” I never argued the point, which pissed her off even more. Women!

On a totally different post: for those that did not minor in European history.

The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-12   14:35:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: karelian (#105) (Edited)

The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.

They indeed worked hand and glove with their socialist buddy Stalin to train the German Army and and Air Force in Russia despite the Versailles treaty.

The Jews of Russia had indeed formed the the German military for Hitler.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   14:58:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#110)

The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.

They indeed worked hand and glove with their socialist buddy Stalin to train the German Army and and Air Force in Russia despite the Versailles treaty.

The Jews of Russia had indeed formed the the German military for Hitler.

Now that I was not aware of until now. I'd like to research that further, do you have a (best) source Cyni ?

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   15:04:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: FOH, Peppa, angle (#113)

FOH...

There are so many good ones that one has to pick and chose. The Jews of Russia were working hand and glove with the Jews of Germany in disregard of Versailles, in forming the new Germany Army which Hitler was to use.

I supposed most knew of such, course Ari and robin expressed total disbelief.

In fact the Germans had no paratroops, the Russians trained them, the ones used at Fort Emmanuel and later on Crete.

I will see if I can find a good url...Dont look at Wikiup, jews control that too.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   15:11:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Cynicom, Peppa, aristeides, robin (#116)

The Jews of Russia were working hand and glove with the Jews of Germany in disregard of Versailles, in forming the new Germany Army which Hitler was to use.

I supposed most knew of such, course Ari and robin expressed total disbelief.

In fact the Germans had no paratroops, the Russians trained them, the ones used at Fort Emmanuel and later on Crete.

"Results of the school's first year of work were summed up during a spring 1926 meeting of Soviet and German Air force commanders. Senior Lieutenant Wilberg, Chief of the Reichswehr Aviation Department, announced plans to expand the activities of the fighter school and to establish a training detachment of reconnaissance aircraft to train observers and conduct experiments in aerial photography. The Soviet side supported all these suggestions. Military Commissar R. A. Muklevich, one of the RKKA Air Forces leaders, made this statement at the meeting: "You can count on total assistance and support on our part. ..."Everything is based on ideological cooperation".

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   15:27:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: FOH, Peppa (#120)

Russia training German army...

This in regard Fort Emanuel in Belgium..

"Earlier, Germany shocked the world at another fortress. The Battle for France began with the coup de main capture of the key and powerful world class Belgium fortification, Fort Eban Emanuel. The fort and defensive lynch pin to the northern flank, fell in a matter of hours. Later, in 1942, Germany demonstrated it's might again, at Sevastopol against the Soviets. At great cost, a mighty Soviet fortress was destroyed and captured by the von Manstein led German Crimean Army."

The nucleus of the German force was originated and trained by the Russians.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   15:34:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Cynicom (#123)

At great cost, a mighty Soviet fortress was destroyed and captured by the von Manstein led German Crimean Army."

The nucleus of the German force was originated and trained by the Russians.

Wow. Naivete'? Allies today, enemies tomorrow?

This does not bode well with current foreign Army training strategy does it?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   15:42:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Peppa, FOH (#126)

This does not bode well with current foreign Army training strategy does it?

The Soviets got everything that was due them. Hitler was much smarter and shrewder than that lout Stalin, however, they were brothers under the skin.

Proof??? They started WWII in concert by invading Poland. Your history books never mention the cowardly communists waiting until the Poles were engaged in survival in the West when they invaded from the East. Vultures in for picking the carcass.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   15:48:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#134. To: Cynicom (#129)

The Soviets got everything that was due them. Hitler was much smarter and shrewder than that lout Stalin, however, they were brothers under the skin.

Proof??? They started WWII in concert by invading Poland. Your history books never mention the cowardly communists waiting until the Poles were engaged in survival in the West when they invaded from the East. Vultures in for picking the carcass.

FDR was a brother, too...

"I do not believe in communism any more than you do, but there is nothing wrong with the communists in this country. Several of the best friends I have are Communists."

Franklin D. Roosevelt

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12 15:59:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Cynicom (#129)

Proof??? They started WWII in concert by invading Poland. Your history books never mention the cowardly communists waiting until the Poles were engaged in survival in the West when they invaded from the East. Vultures in for picking the carcass.

Sick sick sick.

Nope, my history was taught all from the perspective of all good guys v all bad guys. Nothing about bankers, and brothers and so on.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12 15:59:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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