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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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URL Source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a- ... 7658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1
Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.

But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president.

Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.

No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.

“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”

Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race.

Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House.

None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state.

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich­elle, who des­cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Rep­ub­lican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said. Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#1. To: Peppa (#0)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

A few more tornadoes hitting crackers, and all the talk of a Global Tax will probably not be popular by the convention. Imagine.. all those bitter folks in one place.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peppa (#4)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:09:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#6)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

True. Will make for a huge turnout for McCain.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:14:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peppa, Jethro tull (#10)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:22:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured. Steele absolves whites living today b/c most, if not all, have no connection to slavery. Our Guilters missed the memo, obviously.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured.

My first wife, the overeducated school marm, would scream at me when truly pissed: “You bastard would bring back slavery, if you could!” I never argued the point, which pissed her off even more. Women!

On a totally different post: for those that did not minor in European history.

The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-12   14:35:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: karelian (#105)

The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.

By fascists and Nazis. And I suspect only fascists and Nazis remember this factoid today.

And, even if Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   14:46:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: aristeides (#107)

The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.

By fascists and Nazis. And I suspect only fascists and Nazis remember this factoid today.

Let me see; only fascists and Nazis are interested in actual history. I have to be reminded occasionally that European religious history relating to Martin Luther, the father of reformation, and European history, relating to Germany is owned by the Jews in the good old USA.

Thank you, and archived for later use.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-12   16:57:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: karelian (#168)

"Judenrepublik" ("Jew republic", as you so elegantly translate it) is a term I only recall seeing in Nazi propaganda.

If it occurs elsewhere, perhaps you can point the source out to me.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   17:05:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: aristeides (#170)

"Judenrepublik" ("Jew republic", as you so elegantly translate it) is a term I only recall seeing in Nazi propaganda.

If it occurs elsewhere, perhaps you can point the source out to me.

Sure, I had to go thru my stacks:

Weimarin Tasavalta – Euroopan Historia – Saksa

Otava - 1953

karelian  posted on  2008-05-12   17:44:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: karelian (#176)

I take it that's a history of the Weimar Republic in Finnish. In what connection does it use the term "Jew republic"? (Sorry, I don't know the Finnish for that.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   18:59:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: aristeides (#178)

I take it that's a history of the Weimar Republic in Finnish. In what connection does it use the term "Jew republic"? (Sorry, I don't know the Finnish for that.)

Chapter heading – Juutalaisten Tasavalta (literal = Jew’s Republic)

Jews gained enormous power during the Weimar ….they owned large department stores, newspapers and banks …. and generally dominated Germany's pop culture during the Weimar years …. their art, literature and theatre were enormously popular, but were looked down on by the native cultural elites as tawdry filth. (halpaa roskaa)

Their very success in pre-Hitler Germany was instrumental in the rise of the Nazi party, which was seen as purifying agent for German culture.

Boy, talk about condensing something!

karelian  posted on  2008-05-12   20:12:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: karelian (#182)

I just did a Google search for "Juutalaisten Tasavalta".

Result: no hits. I think your book expresses very much an idiosyncratic viewpoint.

I did a similar search for "Judenrepublik" in German yesterday. Results: some results unrelated to Weimar (like for Stalin's proposed Jewish Republic in Siberia), and some Nazi quotes.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-13   10:43:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: aristeides (#193)

I just did a Google search for "Juutalaisten Tasavalta".

Good lord, you just don’t give up; lots of “sisu,” which is good.

Juutalainen = jew

Orthodoksijuutalaisihminen = orthodox jew

Juutalaiset = jews

Juutailaisten = belonging to jews

Finland = Suomi

Germany = Saksa

Nazi = natsi

Hit preferences, select Finnish and go to town!

Hint: Finnish language is kind of difficult, they roll two or three words into one, resulting in some monsters. I used to be a licensed translator, but I even get lost. Lots of “invented” new words.

Another hint: I worked thru college as a research assistant and I was paid for my efforts.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-13   16:45:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: karelian (#195)

Chapter heading – Juutalaisten Tasavalta (literal = Jew’s Republic)

I did a Google search on precisely the wording you gave me.

If there's a different Google search I should have used instead, you're as capable of providing a link to your search as I was to provide you with mine.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-13   16:50:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: aristeides, karelian (#196) (Edited)

I did a Google search on precisely the wording you gave me.

If there's a different Google search I should have used instead, you're as capable of providing a link to your search as I was to provide you with mine.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but ari, seriously...you could not find the Finnish to English translation of the phrase "Juutalaisten Tasavalta"???

Just plug in the phrase to the Translate Text box in the following link:

www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

scrapper2  posted on  2008-05-13   17:10:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: scrapper2, Karelian (#197)

I wanted to do a Google search for the Finnish version of "Jew Republic," so that I could see how frequently used the phrase is. Karelian told me "Juutalaisten Tasavalta", so I did a Google search for that, and got zero hits. Now he tells me it was the wrong search.

I'm waiting for him to give me the phrase I should instead have searched for.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-13   17:14:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: aristeides (#198)

PS to my last: if you are “talking” to a Finnish computer you must have the “umlauts” in your keyboard or you will get “tarkitse sana” – check your spelling.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-13   17:38:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: karelian (#199)

I cut and pasted precisely what you sent me.

If it should have been something else, why don't you send me that, so that I can cut and paste it?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-13   18:50:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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