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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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URL Source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a- ... 7658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1
Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.

But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president.

Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.

No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.

“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”

Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race.

Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House.

None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state.

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich­elle, who des­cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Rep­ub­lican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said. Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#23. To: Peppa (#17)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured. Steele absolves whites living today b/c most, if not all, have no connection to slavery. Our Guilters missed the memo, obviously.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#22)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: ghostdogtxn (#26)

I won't be participating in the selection. I'm eight years clean.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Did it ever dawn on you that people might vote for Obama because McCain's recent promise to give us four more years of Bush scares the hell out of them?

Explain why the past 7.5 years have been good for us and I might consider voting for four more of the same.

And your argument that all the candidates are the same, so anyone who doesn't voter for the (R) hates America, rings kind of hollow.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   10:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#22)

That fact escapes the white guilters that infest the forum. Sigh.

Yes, it is sad. Sad that white people think they should feel guilty over stuff that happened four and five hundred years ago and that they couldn't possibly be responsible for and sad that there seem to be so many of them.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Peppa, Jethro tull, Christine (#21)

They can flagellate all over themselves as far as I'm concerned. ;)

I learned that word from a gentleman that had attended college. At first I thot he was using obscene or naughty language. All he was doing was proving his own self worth to an inferior. At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.

Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ... (#28)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: James Deffenbach (#30)

sad that there seem to be so many of them.

It's not that there are so many of them. It's that they post ceaselessly.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   10:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: ... (#28)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: angle (#33)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach (#18)

I don't know that it really matters which one of them hates us the most.

Maybe not, but it does to me.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: angle (#33)

It's not that there are so many of them. It's that they post ceaselessly.

You are just jealous that you cannot spend all day posting mind numbing drivel and get paid while doing it.

I know jealousy when it rears its ugly head. LOL...

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#23)

Well, with McCain at least we don't have to worry about how bad it'll get. He's a known quantity, and will most assuredly make it as bad for the rest of us as he possibly can.

Maybe the Democrat Congress will grow a pair then. Could be better than you thought.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#31)

At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.

Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud.

ROFL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa (#38)

Maybe the Democrat Congress will grow a pair then.

Har Har, like they wouldn't embrace McCain with an open checkbook, with a good many of the checks written to themselves. Yes, Virginia, it looks like the economy is going to save us after all.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   10:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

If any belief is psychotic, it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   10:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: ghostdogtxn (#32)

The candidates are all the same except the black guy. He's black.

Some of us can see past the color, and look at his policies and achievements or lack thereof.

The media loves to focus on division rather than the meat of issues and how they will affect the everyday American.

They don't care to hear the voice of the trash they send to war for bellyachers.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: aristeides (#41)

If any belief is psychotic, it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.

What is your continued fascination for the boring and obscure?

Who cares?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:47:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Peppa (#39)

ROFL!

Not nice to show mirth at the expense of your betters.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: angle (#40) (Edited)

Har Har, like they wouldn't embrace McCain with an open checkbook, with a good many of the checks written to themselves. Yes, Virginia, it looks like the economy is going to save us after all.

LOL!!

Maybe then you think a part of society will see the one-party system??? Not until they've ground the last American into meat, and then the system comes for them.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: ghostdogtxn (#32)

The candidates are all the same except the black guy. He's black.

You might be right. Maybe the slogan should be changed as follows: There's not a dimes worth of difference between the candidates - except that the nigra isn't quite as good as the white guy.

Actually, I think it's more (R) and (D) than black and white. There's a little bit of a race factor in play, but mostly it's habitual support for the (R). Most of the anti Obama types know they're going to have to stop bashing come October and issue the call to hold your nose and vote for McCain. And every inch of ground that Obama gains today will make this task harder next October 15th.

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#47. To: Cynicom (#44)

Not nice to show mirth at the expense of your betters.

I am fully clothed thank you very much. ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: aristeides (#41)

it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.

You weren't there. Your argument lacks veracity; it is only a debate of the writings of people with certain perspectives and agendas.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   10:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

Weimar Republic

I'm guessing this is no relation to the Oscar Meyer Weimar's?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

Wait til those white heathen from KY weigh in with their votes agin an elitist that scorns white trash of small town America.

God how white guilters and their black puppet hate us.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:50:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: angle (#48)

You weren't there. Your argument lacks veracity; it is only a debate of the writings of people with certain perspectives and agendas.

I wasn't there, but I happen to have spoken to plenty of people who were. I was stationed in Berlin 1970-72. And, growing up in New York in the fifties, I knew plenty of people who had fled the Nazis.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   10:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#31)

At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.

Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud.

Cyni, where did you go to school? Everyone at my school knew how to flush the pot before they got there. We didn't sit around the dorm discussing the flush toilet as you apparently did.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   10:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.

Funny!

Picture this:

Obama deprives Hillary of her heart's desire (to be emperor of the world, to be the biggest, strongest dyke {if you'll pardon the double entendre}who could hold back the floods that threaten Zionist power in America) and, then Obama loses to McCain. The result is, neither women or white guilting blacks make any PC headway this election.

A DOUBLE VICTORY!

If we can't have Ron Paul then I want everyone to lose, and because McCain will probably be removed from the Oval Office in restraints while babbling gibberish within a few months of taking office, well, it doesn't get much better than that!

And, if he picks Joe Lieberman or through some shenanigans Nancy Pelosi becomes the next prez, well, hell, they can follow orders as well as the next NWO lackey, right?

Once we shed our concerns about personalities, religious affiliations or skin color then it's just a matter of betting which heads will swell the way Dubya's did, and who will grow to believe that he/she is actually in charge after a bit of time at the helm.

Bush forgot that he was no more in charge of a country called America than William Shatner was really in command of a starship called The Enterprise....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-12   10:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#50)

God how white guilters and their black puppet hate us.

Yeah, dumb red necks are otherwise wildly popular all over the world.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   10:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

It's where the money is.

let overwrite, let override

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-12   10:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)

Once we shed our concerns about personalities, religious affiliations or skin color

Hound...

As demonstrated by our white guilters here that infest the 4um, you well know they cannot shed their obsession with skin color.

For some reason they seem to have this compulsive drive to prove to the world and perhaps to themselves that they are not racist. When a person has an overpowering NEED to prove himself to others, that person needs help.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   11:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

What is your continued fascination for the boring and obscure?

As they say in academia, Publish or Perish!

let overwrite, let override

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-12   11:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tauzero, Peppa, angle, Jethro tull (#55)

It's where the money is.

True heart of the matter.

There are two things in this political charade that are undeniable.

One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE.

Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   11:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#56) (Edited)

When a person has an overpowering NEED to prove himself to others, that person needs help.

I don't have to prove anything. I just point to the last 7.5 years and say "No More!".

When McCain promised to give me four more years of the same, that was it for me.

Obama's race? Hell, against McCain I wouldn't care if Obama was even a human being. I'd vote for a squirrel over McCain.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom (#58)

One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE.

Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite?

Really gets to you that the small donors stepped forward and supported Obama.

And it really gets to you that people are sick of the R's and nobody sends money as a result.

So what do you do in these circumstances? Why, come up with a wild conspiracy theory to explain why the world isn't he way you want it to be.

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...  posted on  2008-05-12   11:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#58)

It's where the money is.

True heart of the matter.

Right down to some unnamed supporters.

There are two things in this political charade that are undeniable.

One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE.

Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite?

You mean? It didn't come from penny drives from the children? (Oh yeah, I forgot they are only 'appendages'... )

Well, okay then, you mean? all that could not have come from regular type people?

That is a lot of cash..

You make an amazing point. It is odd that the other two candidates have had money problems.

You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   11:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#56)

Once we shed our concerns about personalities, religious affiliations or skin color

Hound...

As demonstrated by our white guilters here that infest the 4um, you well know they cannot shed their obsession with skin color.

For some reason they seem to have this compulsive drive to prove to the world and perhaps to themselves that they are not racist. When a person has an overpowering NEED to prove himself to others, that person needs help

Well, yeah, but, I've lived all over and it just seems to me that those folks are a severe minority and they generally stick out like a turd on a wedding cake.

The demographic that concerns me consists of those who vote themselves ever increasing shares of the treasury's monetized debt. (and, they don't waste time debating high minded ideals on the internet. They're just waiting silently and patiently to enter the polls and reward the winner of the seniors' welfare lottery....and, they're a surprisingly color blind group, too.)

The US' number one business is now senior care, and whoever wishes to win must above all else promise the biggest increase in social security and Medicare bennies.

We may reach the absurd point where a candidate is promising each voter a million frauds ($) worth of life extending stem cells only to be outbid by another who promises that and 100% property, capital gains and income tax relief for America's tyrant class of voters. Despite all of the burning issues we discuss here, this election will be won by the candidate who can convincingly use the phrase "social security trust fund" and sound as if he/she believes that it actually exists as a self sustaining, interest bearing "generational compact."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-12   11:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Peppa (#61)

You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.

Any one of those three will represent the establishment--no matter which one of those scumbags "win" the rest of us lose.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   11:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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