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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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URL Source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a- ... 7658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1
Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.

But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president.

Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.

No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.

“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”

Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race.

Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House.

None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state.

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich­elle, who des­cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Rep­ub­lican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said. Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#1. To: Peppa (#0)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Peppa (#0)

Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

Obummer was right.

Those small town white trash people do not like people unlike themselves.

Obummer was right to demean such people that work for a living, own guns and attend church because they want to. Utter unwashed trash.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:03:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Peppa (#0)

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.

Unfortunately, out of the three left in the race there isn't one of those.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

A few more tornadoes hitting crackers, and all the talk of a Global Tax will probably not be popular by the convention. Imagine.. all those bitter folks in one place.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#2)

Obummer was right to demean such people that work for a living, own guns and attend church because they want to. Utter unwashed trash.

It's called the unity strategy!!!!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peppa (#4)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach (#3)

I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.

Unfortunately, out of the three left in the race there isn't one of those.

:( Nope.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Peppa (#4)

all those bitter folks in one place.

Bibles and guns for everyone!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: James Deffenbach (#3)

Unfortunately, out of the three left in the race there isn't one of those.

In Nov. if ballots were allowed a box of..none of the above... that would be a winner.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#6)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

True. Will make for a huge turnout for McCain.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Bibles and guns for everyone!

LOL!!!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:15:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Peppa (#7)

Yes, these are truly sad times for America. A country with somewhere near 300 MILLION people and the best that can be put forth for the people to vote for is a lunatic who got his ace designation by downing five of OUR planes (not the enemies), a socialist who wants to give us the same wonderful health care system they have in England, and a racist black guy who hates whitey (and whose wife hates whitey even more).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Peppa (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#9)

In Nov. if ballots were allowed a box of..none of the above... that would be a winner.

If the Constitution Party makes the ballot where I live I will vote for Chuck Baldwin. But out of the three establishment candidates my choice would be NOTA. And I suspect NOTA would win too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peppa, Jethro tull (#10)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

Yes, these are truly sad times for America. A country with somewhere near 300 MILLION people and the best that can be put forth for the people to vote for is a lunatic who got his ace designation by downing five of OUR planes (not the enemies), a socialist who wants to give us the same wonderful health care system they have in England, and a racist black guy who hates whitey (and whose wife hates whitey even more).

They all hate our guts, but one hates them much more.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)

If West Virginia elects John McCain, they deserve him.

The fun part is we all get to live as losers with the winner!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Peppa (#16)

They all hate our guts, but one hates them much more.

When it is clear that they are all toadies, parasites and puppets whose strings are being pulled by people behind the scenes and from whom they will take their orders, I don't know that it really matters which one of them hates us the most.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)

If West Virginia elects John McCain, they deserve him.

Out of McCain, Clinton and Obama it doesn't make that much difference who "wins" because no matter which one it is, America loses.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#15)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.

They can flagellate all over themselves as far as I'm concerned. ;)

Then get mad if you don't join them.

Not exactly the live and let live type.

They just aren't 'right'.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:31:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: James Deffenbach (#19)

Out of McCain, Clinton and Obama it doesn't make that much difference who "wins" because no matter which one it is, America loses.

That fact escapes the white guilters that infest the forum. Sigh.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Peppa (#17)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured. Steele absolves whites living today b/c most, if not all, have no connection to slavery. Our Guilters missed the memo, obviously.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#22)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: ghostdogtxn (#26)

I won't be participating in the selection. I'm eight years clean.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Did it ever dawn on you that people might vote for Obama because McCain's recent promise to give us four more years of Bush scares the hell out of them?

Explain why the past 7.5 years have been good for us and I might consider voting for four more of the same.

And your argument that all the candidates are the same, so anyone who doesn't voter for the (R) hates America, rings kind of hollow.

.

...  posted on  2008-05-12   10:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:39:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#22)

That fact escapes the white guilters that infest the forum. Sigh.

Yes, it is sad. Sad that white people think they should feel guilty over stuff that happened four and five hundred years ago and that they couldn't possibly be responsible for and sad that there seem to be so many of them.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   10:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Peppa, Jethro tull, Christine (#21)

They can flagellate all over themselves as far as I'm concerned. ;)

I learned that word from a gentleman that had attended college. At first I thot he was using obscene or naughty language. All he was doing was proving his own self worth to an inferior. At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.

Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: ... (#28)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: James Deffenbach (#30)

sad that there seem to be so many of them.

It's not that there are so many of them. It's that they post ceaselessly.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   10:41:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: ... (#28)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: angle (#33)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-12   10:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach (#18)

I don't know that it really matters which one of them hates us the most.

Maybe not, but it does to me.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: angle (#33)

It's not that there are so many of them. It's that they post ceaselessly.

You are just jealous that you cannot spend all day posting mind numbing drivel and get paid while doing it.

I know jealousy when it rears its ugly head. LOL...

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#23)

Well, with McCain at least we don't have to worry about how bad it'll get. He's a known quantity, and will most assuredly make it as bad for the rest of us as he possibly can.

Maybe the Democrat Congress will grow a pair then. Could be better than you thought.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#31)

At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.

Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud.

ROFL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa (#38)

Maybe the Democrat Congress will grow a pair then.

Har Har, like they wouldn't embrace McCain with an open checkbook, with a good many of the checks written to themselves. Yes, Virginia, it looks like the economy is going to save us after all.

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   10:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

If any belief is psychotic, it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-12   10:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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