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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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URL Source: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a- ... 7658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1
Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.

But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president.

Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.

No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.

“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”

Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race.

Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House.

None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state.

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich­elle, who des­cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Rep­ub­lican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said. Subscribe to *Obama Reality Check*

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#1. To: Peppa (#0)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   10:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.

A few more tornadoes hitting crackers, and all the talk of a Global Tax will probably not be popular by the convention. Imagine.. all those bitter folks in one place.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peppa (#4)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:09:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#6)

The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.

True. Will make for a huge turnout for McCain.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   10:14:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peppa, Jethro tull (#10)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   10:22:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#15)

White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????

It's where the money is.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-05-12   10:58:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tauzero, Peppa, angle, Jethro tull (#55)

It's where the money is.

True heart of the matter.

There are two things in this political charade that are undeniable.

One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE.

Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   11:06:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#58)

It's where the money is.

True heart of the matter.

Right down to some unnamed supporters.

There are two things in this political charade that are undeniable.

One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE.

Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite?

You mean? It didn't come from penny drives from the children? (Oh yeah, I forgot they are only 'appendages'... )

Well, okay then, you mean? all that could not have come from regular type people?

That is a lot of cash..

You make an amazing point. It is odd that the other two candidates have had money problems.

You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   11:16:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Peppa (#61)

You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.

Our resident white guilters seem not to grasp that Obummer was created and IS expendable.

That simple truth eludes them.

That being said, resident democrat partisan white guilters have joined guilters from the pub party, such as the Nixons and Eisenhowers, in sending in their maximum donations.

Perhaps we should have an Obama fund drive here on 4um, surely it would be a big winner.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   11:23:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Cynicom (#66)

Our resident white guilters seem not to grasp that Obummer was created and IS expendable.

That simple truth eludes them.

That being said, resident democrat partisan white guilters have joined guilters from the pub party, such as the Nixons and Eisenhowers, in sending in their maximum donations.

They don't do simple, or truth. So...you know.. mize well pull in that cast.

Now maybe if they read real slow, it might sink in. I doubt they'll have the intellectual honesty to weigh in agreement, but, it would be progress none the less.

Perhaps we should have an Obama fund drive here on 4um, surely it would be a big winner.

Oooh!!! How fun! Whose money can I donate? I'm practicing my progressive side today!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   11:27:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Peppa (#68)

Perhaps we should have an Obama fund drive here on 4um, surely it would be a big winner.

Oooh!!! How fun! Whose money can I donate? I'm practicing my progressive side today!

It has been mentioned that our resident white guilters that formed a better forum are indeed contemplating a fund drive to support their savior, Obummer.

It should be a huge success as they did not exactly over extend themselves (cough cough) in financial support for Ron Paul.

As an example, in the race in Pa. the high powered law firms stepped up to the plate and gave the maximum to Obummer. Anything less from the new forum would be an embarrassment.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   11:35:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom (#69) (Edited)

It has been mentioned that our resident white guilters that formed a better forum are indeed contemplating a fund drive to support their savior, Obummer.

It should be a huge success as they did not exactly over extend themselves (cough cough) in financial support for Ron Paul.

As an example, in the race in Pa. the high powered law firms stepped up to the plate and gave the maximum to Obummer. Anything less from the new forum would be an embarrassment.

Absolutely!!!

Lawyers and big Pharma absolutely adore this guy. The good part is that are they salt of the earth, only looking out for the average schmoe, and as such, their donations are truly for the greater good.

I say, give till it hurts! It's just a starting point!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   11:39:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Peppa (#70)

I wish the white guilters here would post their contributions to Obummer. It might relieve some of their anxiety.

It would prove they are not racists.

I will wait here til Ping, ghost, Ari, robin, vast and the others post their donations, showing us they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   11:45:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#71)

I wish the white guilters here would post their contributions to Obummer. It might relieve some of their anxiety.

It would prove they are not racists.

I will wait here til Ping, ghost, Ari, robin, vast and the others post their donations, showing us they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.

I think they should post it too. Teach us a thing or two.

I'll drag up a lawnchair and wait with you.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   11:48:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#73)

I think they should post it too. Teach us a thing or two.

I'll drag up a lawnchair and wait with you.

I will wait too.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   12:02:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: James Deffenbach (#77)

I will wait too.

Welcome JD.

I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   12:11:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Peppa (#79)

Welcome JD.

I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :)

Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   12:18:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#81) (Edited)

I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :)

Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese.

Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   12:23:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: FOH (#83)

Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)

Yeah, sounds ok. We don't have one of those where I live but I have eaten in them before.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-12   12:27:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#84)

Yeah, sounds ok. We don't have one of those where I live but I have eaten in them before.

I have to admit I'm in a subway sandwich situation right now.

I have a Jimmy Johns (great, fast sandwiches at a decent price - THEY DELIVER for fitty cents) close by, a Subway not far off (their fi-dolla promotion was just made a permanent fi-dolla footlong value menu) and not much further away a Quiznos (which countered Subway's fi-dolla deal and now might make IT permanent in light of Subway's new campaign)...

I like mine grilled btw. ;)

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   12:33:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: FOH (#85)

and not much further away a Quiznos (which countered Subway's fi-dolla deal and now might make IT permanent in light of Subway's new campaign)...

That is a super deal!

We bitter folks have to get as much as we can with change.

I like mine grilled btw. ;)

Me too.

You know, I may just have to roll out the BBQ and we'll just throw on some mystery meat and beans.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   12:43:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Peppa (#91)

You know, I may just have to roll out the BBQ and we'll just throw on some mystery meat and beans.

I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;)

Be back when I get back...

FOH  posted on  2008-05-12   12:45:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: FOH (#94)

I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;)

Be back when I get back...

Mmmmmm-mmmmm.. that does sound good.

Thank you for the invite!

Well, I can't show up empty handed.. I'll bring the Ripple. ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   12:49:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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