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Title: W Virginia keeps distance from Obama
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Published: May 11, 2008
Author: Andrew Ward
Post Date: 2008-05-12 09:59:34 by Peppa
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Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican. “I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides. A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race. But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president. Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections. No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points. West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent. A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”. “If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.” Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race. Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House. None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state. Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Michelle, who described America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president. Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment. Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.
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MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.
Obummer was right. Those small town white trash people do not like people unlike themselves. Obummer was right to demean such people that work for a living, own guns and attend church because they want to. Utter unwashed trash.
Unfortunately, out of the three left in the race there isn't one of those.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. A few more tornadoes hitting crackers, and all the talk of a Global Tax will probably not be popular by the convention. Imagine.. all those bitter folks in one place.
It's called the unity strategy!!!!!
The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.
Unfortunately, out of the three left in the race there isn't one of those. :( Nope.
Bibles and guns for everyone!
In Nov. if ballots were allowed a box of..none of the above... that would be a winner.
True. Will make for a huge turnout for McCain.
LOL!!!!
Yes, these are truly sad times for America. A country with somewhere near 300 MILLION people and the best that can be put forth for the people to vote for is a lunatic who got his ace designation by downing five of OUR planes (not the enemies), a socialist who wants to give us the same wonderful health care system they have in England, and a racist black guy who hates whitey (and whose wife hates whitey even more).
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
If the Constitution Party makes the ballot where I live I will vote for Chuck Baldwin. But out of the three establishment candidates my choice would be NOTA. And I suspect NOTA would win too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex???? Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.
They all hate our guts, but one hates them much more.
The fun part is we all get to live as losers with the winner!
When it is clear that they are all toadies, parasites and puppets whose strings are being pulled by people behind the scenes and from whom they will take their orders, I don't know that it really matters which one of them hates us the most.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Out of McCain, Clinton and Obama it doesn't make that much difference who "wins" because no matter which one it is, America loses.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans. They can flagellate all over themselves as far as I'm concerned. ;) Then get mad if you don't join them. Not exactly the live and let live type. They just aren't 'right'.
That fact escapes the white guilters that infest the forum. Sigh.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured. Steele absolves whites living today b/c most, if not all, have no connection to slavery. Our Guilters missed the memo, obviously.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I won't be participating in the selection. I'm eight years clean.
Did it ever dawn on you that people might vote for Obama because McCain's recent promise to give us four more years of Bush scares the hell out of them? Explain why the past 7.5 years have been good for us and I might consider voting for four more of the same. And your argument that all the candidates are the same, so anyone who doesn't voter for the (R) hates America, rings kind of hollow.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Yes, it is sad. Sad that white people think they should feel guilty over stuff that happened four and five hundred years ago and that they couldn't possibly be responsible for and sad that there seem to be so many of them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I learned that word from a gentleman that had attended college. At first I thot he was using obscene or naughty language. All he was doing was proving his own self worth to an inferior. At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept. Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
It's not that there are so many of them. It's that they post ceaselessly.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Maybe not, but it does to me.
You are just jealous that you cannot spend all day posting mind numbing drivel and get paid while doing it. I know jealousy when it rears its ugly head. LOL...
Maybe the Democrat Congress will grow a pair then. Could be better than you thought.
Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud. ROFL!
Har Har, like they wouldn't embrace McCain with an open checkbook, with a good many of the checks written to themselves. Yes, Virginia, it looks like the economy is going to save us after all.
If any belief is psychotic, it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Some of us can see past the color, and look at his policies and achievements or lack thereof. The media loves to focus on division rather than the meat of issues and how they will affect the everyday American. They don't care to hear the voice of the trash they send to war for bellyachers.
What is your continued fascination for the boring and obscure? Who cares?
Not nice to show mirth at the expense of your betters.
LOL!! Maybe then you think a part of society will see the one-party system??? Not until they've ground the last American into meat, and then the system comes for them.
You might be right. Maybe the slogan should be changed as follows: There's not a dimes worth of difference between the candidates - except that the nigra isn't quite as good as the white guy. Actually, I think it's more (R) and (D) than black and white. There's a little bit of a race factor in play, but mostly it's habitual support for the (R). Most of the anti Obama types know they're going to have to stop bashing come October and issue the call to hold your nose and vote for McCain. And every inch of ground that Obama gains today will make this task harder next October 15th.
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I am fully clothed thank you very much. ;)
You weren't there. Your argument lacks veracity; it is only a debate of the writings of people with certain perspectives and agendas.
I'm guessing this is no relation to the Oscar Meyer Weimar's?
Wait til those white heathen from KY weigh in with their votes agin an elitist that scorns white trash of small town America. God how white guilters and their black puppet hate us.
I wasn't there, but I happen to have spoken to plenty of people who were. I was stationed in Berlin 1970-72. And, growing up in New York in the fifties, I knew plenty of people who had fled the Nazis.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Some things are NOT taught at Yale and Hahvud. Cyni, where did you go to school? Everyone at my school knew how to flush the pot before they got there. We didn't sit around the dorm discussing the flush toilet as you apparently did.
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Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans. Funny! Picture this: Obama deprives Hillary of her heart's desire (to be emperor of the world, to be the biggest, strongest dyke {if you'll pardon the double entendre}who could hold back the floods that threaten Zionist power in America) and, then Obama loses to McCain. The result is, neither women or white guilting blacks make any PC headway this election. A DOUBLE VICTORY! If we can't have Ron Paul then I want everyone to lose, and because McCain will probably be removed from the Oval Office in restraints while babbling gibberish within a few months of taking office, well, it doesn't get much better than that! And, if he picks Joe Lieberman or through some shenanigans Nancy Pelosi becomes the next prez, well, hell, they can follow orders as well as the next NWO lackey, right? Once we shed our concerns about personalities, religious affiliations or skin color then it's just a matter of betting which heads will swell the way Dubya's did, and who will grow to believe that he/she is actually in charge after a bit of time at the helm. Bush forgot that he was no more in charge of a country called America than William Shatner was really in command of a starship called The Enterprise....
Yeah, dumb red necks are otherwise wildly popular all over the world.
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It's where the money is.
let overwrite, let override
Hound... As demonstrated by our white guilters here that infest the 4um, you well know they cannot shed their obsession with skin color. For some reason they seem to have this compulsive drive to prove to the world and perhaps to themselves that they are not racist. When a person has an overpowering NEED to prove himself to others, that person needs help.
As they say in academia, Publish or Perish!
let overwrite, let override
True heart of the matter. There are two things in this political charade that are undeniable. One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE. Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite?
I don't have to prove anything. I just point to the last 7.5 years and say "No More!". When McCain promised to give me four more years of the same, that was it for me. Obama's race? Hell, against McCain I wouldn't care if Obama was even a human being. I'd vote for a squirrel over McCain.
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Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite? Really gets to you that the small donors stepped forward and supported Obama. And it really gets to you that people are sick of the R's and nobody sends money as a result. So what do you do in these circumstances? Why, come up with a wild conspiracy theory to explain why the world isn't he way you want it to be.
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True heart of the matter. Right down to some unnamed supporters. There are two things in this political charade that are undeniable. One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE. Two...If one is honest enough to accept number one as true, from whence comes the nearly quarter of a billion dollars ($250 million) that falls from heaven since the day Obummer was created by the controlling elite? You mean? It didn't come from penny drives from the children? (Oh yeah, I forgot they are only 'appendages'... ) Well, okay then, you mean? all that could not have come from regular type people? That is a lot of cash.. You make an amazing point. It is odd that the other two candidates have had money problems. You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.
Hound... As demonstrated by our white guilters here that infest the 4um, you well know they cannot shed their obsession with skin color. For some reason they seem to have this compulsive drive to prove to the world and perhaps to themselves that they are not racist. When a person has an overpowering NEED to prove himself to others, that person needs help Well, yeah, but, I've lived all over and it just seems to me that those folks are a severe minority and they generally stick out like a turd on a wedding cake. The demographic that concerns me consists of those who vote themselves ever increasing shares of the treasury's monetized debt. (and, they don't waste time debating high minded ideals on the internet. They're just waiting silently and patiently to enter the polls and reward the winner of the seniors' welfare lottery....and, they're a surprisingly color blind group, too.) The US' number one business is now senior care, and whoever wishes to win must above all else promise the biggest increase in social security and Medicare bennies. We may reach the absurd point where a candidate is promising each voter a million frauds ($) worth of life extending stem cells only to be outbid by another who promises that and 100% property, capital gains and income tax relief for America's tyrant class of voters. Despite all of the burning issues we discuss here, this election will be won by the candidate who can convincingly use the phrase "social security trust fund" and sound as if he/she believes that it actually exists as a self sustaining, interest bearing "generational compact."
Any one of those three will represent the establishment--no matter which one of those scumbags "win" the rest of us lose.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. As long as you're going to use goofy and unsupported theories, why don't you tell them that Obama hypnotized helpless old ladies into giving their life savings? That will kill two birds with one stone and it's a lot less nutty than the other stuff that is getting tossed out. Tell them that Obama did it with subliminal messages from the TV.
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I totally agree. But that Obama is so flush with cash, it is most certainly to ensure the status quo.
Our resident white guilters seem not to grasp that Obummer was created and IS expendable. That simple truth eludes them. That being said, resident democrat partisan white guilters have joined guilters from the pub party, such as the Nixons and Eisenhowers, in sending in their maximum donations. Perhaps we should have an Obama fund drive here on 4um, surely it would be a big winner.
That will kill two birds with one stone and it's a lot less nutty than the other stuff that is getting tossed out. Tell them that Obama did it with subliminal messages from the TV. Man, you are a little boiling pot aren't you.... LOL!! Okay, I'll get right on that strategy.. anything for you!
That simple truth eludes them. That being said, resident democrat partisan white guilters have joined guilters from the pub party, such as the Nixons and Eisenhowers, in sending in their maximum donations. They don't do simple, or truth. So...you know.. mize well pull in that cast. Now maybe if they read real slow, it might sink in. I doubt they'll have the intellectual honesty to weigh in agreement, but, it would be progress none the less. Perhaps we should have an Obama fund drive here on 4um, surely it would be a big winner. Oooh!!! How fun! Whose money can I donate? I'm practicing my progressive side today!
Oooh!!! How fun! Whose money can I donate? I'm practicing my progressive side today! It has been mentioned that our resident white guilters that formed a better forum are indeed contemplating a fund drive to support their savior, Obummer. It should be a huge success as they did not exactly over extend themselves (cough cough) in financial support for Ron Paul. As an example, in the race in Pa. the high powered law firms stepped up to the plate and gave the maximum to Obummer. Anything less from the new forum would be an embarrassment.
It should be a huge success as they did not exactly over extend themselves (cough cough) in financial support for Ron Paul. As an example, in the race in Pa. the high powered law firms stepped up to the plate and gave the maximum to Obummer. Anything less from the new forum would be an embarrassment. Absolutely!!! Lawyers and big Pharma absolutely adore this guy. The good part is that are they salt of the earth, only looking out for the average schmoe, and as such, their donations are truly for the greater good. I say, give till it hurts! It's just a starting point!
I wish the white guilters here would post their contributions to Obummer. It might relieve some of their anxiety. It would prove they are not racists. I will wait here til Ping, ghost, Ari, robin, vast and the others post their donations, showing us they are willing to put their money where their mouth is.
Only bitter people could possibly object to paying a Global Tax.
It would prove they are not racists. I will wait here til Ping, ghost, Ari, robin, vast and the others post their donations, showing us they are willing to put their money where their mouth is. I think they should post it too. Teach us a thing or two. I'll drag up a lawnchair and wait with you.
You nailed it RP. It's taken us so long to catch on. You can tax people out of poverty. The same way you can bomb people into freedom.
We may reach the absurd point where a candidate is promising each voter a million frauds ($) worth of life extending stem cells only to be outbid by another who promises that and 100% property, capital gains and income tax relief for America's tyrant class of voters. Despite all of the burning issues we discuss here, this election will be won by the candidate who can convincingly use the phrase "social security trust fund" and sound as if he/she believes that it actually exists as a self sustaining, interest bearing "generational compact." Well said, I agree with you - "white guilt" has little to do, imo, with Obama's surging popularity. It's all about his promises of benefits to the rubes. It's also about the promise that he makes to tax "the rich" - ie. a family that earns $100,000 and more - and in so doing Obama works the envy wedge that has grown in recent years between the economic classes in our society, specifically between the lower and those above. Success and economic independence used to be values that were respected in America. Not anymore. Now it's equal outcomes and entitlements. "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." - Alexander Tyler
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I'll drag up a lawnchair and wait with you. I will wait too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Please let dots know about your flying pig. He has insinuated that 'others' make goofy statements, and I don't want to be responsible for that one. But, I would love the updates anyway!!!
Welcome JD. I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :)
Despite this well known truism it was considered impolite to mention it in the company of socialists, and was never to be seen in campaign mailers or letters to the editor of AARP Magazine. So, they all knew that sooner or later the well would go dry. For many years I've heard seniors say that they expect it but they don't care what happens to America or their own children/grandchildren as long as it's after they're dead and gone! So, those who bought the false promises of the Roosevelt Administration and basked in the pandering of irresponsible politicians ever since are welcome to try and survive an uncertain future with the rest of us. (If they're willing to babysit we can let them gnaw the bones and lick the pan after we fry some batwings) After all, we grew the seed corn and they ate it, so, what further obligation could we possibly have to them when the fraud ($) is most useful, bundled and burned as fuel in fireplaces?
I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :) Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That's the type of "hope" that causes the Stalinist witch to believe "change" is coming !! What great theater...
Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese. Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)
Yeah, sounds ok. We don't have one of those where I live but I have eaten in them before.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I have to admit I'm in a subway sandwich situation right now. I have a Jimmy Johns (great, fast sandwiches at a decent price - THEY DELIVER for fitty cents) close by, a Subway not far off (their fi-dolla promotion was just made a permanent fi-dolla footlong value menu) and not much further away a Quiznos (which countered Subway's fi-dolla deal and now might make IT permanent in light of Subway's new campaign)... I like mine grilled btw. ;)
Okie doke. Duly noted. I'll whip up a batch of cornbread and fried okra too. Sweet Tea.
That's the type of "hope" that causes the Stalinist witch to believe "change" is coming !! What great theater... Hehehe.. it is, it is! Votes will not be cast until 6/3. Super D's can change their mind on the convention floor. If all those bitter people show up from other states, it's possible they might find out that Obie has zero chance of winning the general. They'll have to decide if they are racists or sexists, and which one has a better chance to hold the flock and make it look believable on election day.
Okay. I like their Italian sammie.. Noted.
Hehehe.. it is, it is! Votes will not be cast until 6/3. Super D's can change their mind on the convention floor. If all those bitter people show up from other states, it's possible they might find out that Obie has zero chance of winning the general. They'll have to decide if they are racists or sexists, and which one has a better chance to hold the flock and make it look believable on election day. It's hard to believe but once again the CFR has found a way...they've outdone themselves this time. Without the CFR's neocomies they could NEVER push their neocons...
Hot peppas, peppa jack, toasted, vinegar/oil/salt/peppa...heheheh
That is a super deal! We bitter folks have to get as much as we can with change. I like mine grilled btw. ;) Me too. You know, I may just have to roll out the BBQ and we'll just throw on some mystery meat and beans.
That only applies to certain sandwiches and doesn't include mushrooms on any sandwich. The Subway sandwich I like isn't included in that promotion.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. LOL!! You got it!
I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;) Be back when I get back...
Damn your luck !!! lolol There are 8 to choose from, surely ONE would tickle your fancy !? Here's my local sandwich eatery quality rating, assuming the fi-dolla footlong deals: #1 JJs #2 Quiznos #3 Subway Gotta run, and NOT for office...
Yep. That is good with my ham and cheese. 'Cept I got to thinkin' 'bout how bad I will feel when the Obummer supporters tell us how much money they have given him that I may not be able to eat a bite. Y'know, not being able to help out in a worthy cause and all.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Be back when I get back... Mmmmmm-mmmmm.. that does sound good. Thank you for the invite! Well, I can't show up empty handed.. I'll bring the Ripple. ;)
You do have a point. Thing is though, they are the leaders in worthy causes. To learn, we much be well nourished.
Sounds like some good munchin's at your house.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well, that is a good point too. Maybe I could FORCE myself to eat a little something if I knew that I could be of some help to the admirable goal of installing another commie in the White House.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The famine was used as an effective tool under approval of the communist government in Ukraine to break the renaissance of Ukrainian culture. As they say, one thing leads to another. Weimar led to Hitler. And history repeats itself. That's why many here can see Obaba for who he is and what he represents: the ruination of America.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
That's the unity spirit!!!!
Well, I wouldn't want to be known as someone who isn't even willing to, in the immortal words of Phil Collins, "do my bit for law and order." ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Hehehehe......
My first wife, the overeducated school marm, would scream at me when truly pissed: “You bastard would bring back slavery, if you could!” I never argued the point, which pissed her off even more. Women! On a totally different post: for those that did not minor in European history. The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe. I barely survived American History, so I do appreciate that so many are willing to share their knowledge. I was good at geography though. That should count for something. :)
By fascists and Nazis. And I suspect only fascists and Nazis remember this factoid today. And, even if Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I don't get the disconnect. One follows the other, ie, the second is a natural progression of the first. Weren't people suffering, starving and unable to live with the untenable economic forces which gave rise to the radical Nazism?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
A lot of them thought in 1931-3 that the conditions were unbearable. 1943-7 taught them what it means for conditions to be really unbearable. And the Nazi takeover was far from inevitable. Had a corrupt ruling class not decided that giving them power was the easiest way out, it could have been avoided.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
They indeed worked hand and glove with their socialist buddy Stalin to train the German Army and and Air Force in Russia despite the Versailles treaty. The Jews of Russia had indeed formed the the German military for Hitler.
I will have to defer to the historians for that. There is a serious disagreement in that respect as I have followed the conversation here.
hey, scrapper, good to see you again.
They indeed worked hand and glove with their socialist buddy Stalin to train the German Army and and Air Force in Russia despite the Versailles treaty. The Jews of Russia had indeed formed the the German military for Hitler. Now that I was not aware of until now. I'd like to research that further, do you have a (best) source Cyni ?
No disagreement. robins ruffians never studied history unless it was written by the jews. Gen. von Seeckt of the Weimar was plotting WW2 within 90 days of cease fire of WW1. Robin and her ruffians knew all about the Weimar but never heard of von Seeckt. Shallow intellect for professed history experts.
The struggle must continue !! FOH... There are so many good ones that one has to pick and chose. The Jews of Russia were working hand and glove with the Jews of Germany in disregard of Versailles, in forming the new Germany Army which Hitler was to use. I supposed most knew of such, course Ari and robin expressed total disbelief. In fact the Germans had no paratroops, the Russians trained them, the ones used at Fort Emmanuel and later on Crete. I will see if I can find a good url...Dont look at Wikiup, jews control that too.
Fascinating. Thank you in advance...
robins ruffians never studied history unless it was written by the jews. Poor choice of words on my part. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you did not read from the approved shelf. I've been told that once a new book is written, the old one is obsolete. Facts and details as such are not relevant. I happen to disagree with that point of view, but then, one has to consider the agenda of the seller. Gen. von Seeckt of the Weimar was plotting WW2 within 90 days of cease fire of WW1. Robin and her ruffians knew all about the Weimar but never heard of von Seeckt. Shallow intellect for professed history experts. To their defense, perhaps such details did not make it to the new book? Just when you think you know all there is to know, you might begin to wonder, is this all I'm supposed to know? Were facts deleted to promote an agenda, or to hide one?
Sanitized and revised history books are the last place to look for anything that is untoward towards Jews and their mission.
I supposed most knew of such, course Ari and robin expressed total disbelief. In fact the Germans had no paratroops, the Russians trained them, the ones used at Fort Emmanuel and later on Crete. Duly noted. You know, it's been claimed that Zbig has evolved since his Grand Chessboard days... don't believe it.
Smells like socialism to me.
This in regard Fort Emanuel in Belgium.. "Earlier, Germany shocked the world at another fortress. The Battle for France began with the coup de main capture of the key and powerful world class Belgium fortification, Fort Eban Emanuel. The fort and defensive lynch pin to the northern flank, fell in a matter of hours. Later, in 1942, Germany demonstrated it's might again, at Sevastopol against the Soviets. At great cost, a mighty Soviet fortress was destroyed and captured by the von Manstein led German Crimean Army." The nucleus of the German force was originated and trained by the Russians.
That is a great link FOH. Bookmarked... thank you.
Smells like socialism to me. Sure does. "NeoCommies" and "NeoCons" got the same game going on today, nearly perfected it appears...
The nucleus of the German force was originated and trained by the Russians. Wow. Naivete'? Allies today, enemies tomorrow? This does not bode well with current foreign Army training strategy does it?
Yes. There was a bright spot in your link however. A time of atonement. Inescapable.
I say this tounge in cheek, but I suspect it has a lot of truth. Obama has the women's vote. With so much indoctrination by the media not to be a racist many the women will vote for Obama to prove they are not and half the women will vote for him because he is a good looking black that they fantasize having sex with. It is things like that rather than their true position on the issues that determine how most people vote.
The Soviets got everything that was due them. Hitler was much smarter and shrewder than that lout Stalin, however, they were brothers under the skin. Proof??? They started WWII in concert by invading Poland. Your history books never mention the cowardly communists waiting until the Poles were engaged in survival in the West when they invaded from the East. Vultures in for picking the carcass.
This in regard Fort Emanuel in Belgium.. "Earlier, Germany shocked the world at another fortress. The Battle for France began with the coup de main capture of the key and powerful world class Belgium fortification, Fort Eban Emanuel. The fort and defensive lynch pin to the northern flank, fell in a matter of hours. Later, in 1942, Germany demonstrated it's might again, at Sevastopol against the Soviets. At great cost, a mighty Soviet fortress was destroyed and captured by the von Manstein led German Crimean Army." The nucleus of the German force was originated and trained by the Russians. That explains a lot. +++ I was poking around and ran into this. Fact, fiction or other ?
More from "A secret aviation school"... Eight German two-place Heinkel HD 17 reconnaissance aircraft with the 450hp Napier Lions engine were brought to Lipetsk in the summer of 1926 with the aim to train observers. These airplanes were designed and built by the Heinkel firm based on a special Reichswehr order for the Lipetsk Aviation School. E. Heinkel writes in his memoirs: "Baaaaaah" ;)
It is things like that rather than their true position on the issues that determine how most people vote. I think many people would agree with you DW. One thing I'll toss into the mix though, is the RPRevolution has brought sanity back to the plate, and is something so many of our younger previously apathetic demoralized adults have drawn to. This is why his message is feared. I consider this election a demarcation point from the 'ways' of political seduction of the past to the reality of today. No matter who wins, the celebration won't last long.
Proof??? They started WWII in concert by invading Poland. Your history books never mention the cowardly communists waiting until the Poles were engaged in survival in the West when they invaded from the East. Vultures in for picking the carcass. FDR was a brother, too... "I do not believe in communism any more than you do, but there is nothing wrong with the communists in this country. Several of the best friends I have are Communists." Franklin D. Roosevelt
Sick sick sick. Nope, my history was taught all from the perspective of all good guys v all bad guys. Nothing about bankers, and brothers and so on.
One of my mentors was an aeronautical engineer with Messerschimidt. Born before the Weimar, lived thru it and Hitler. My history was neither sanitized nor revised by Jewish historians.
I'm thankful that you're here...TY
Obama is going to ensure 100 year war McCain wins. Way to go Obama supporters!
God is always good!
The only problem with "none of the above" is the ones under "none of the above." Instead of "none of the above", it should say "none of these candidates."
God is always good!
You never know... some say Obama is still too weak on National Security to win. He may promise 200 or 300 years of war. Any way this goes, the only issue off the table, is leaving the ME.
LOL!! What a deal.
One of my mentors was an aeronautical engineer with Messerschimidt. Born before the Weimar, lived thru it and Hitler. My history was neither sanitized nor revised by Jewish historians. I'm thankful that you're here...TY Ditto that!
A vote of support for Obummer is a vote for 100 years more of war with McKooK, by the same people that paid lip service to Ron Paul.
Could we compromise with..."None of these losers"....
Extremely disturbing. Anyone that can't see that Obama is a racist SOB doesn't deserve to vote IMO. America can do without these people and do quite fine.
God is always good!
Which former Ron Paul supporter recently said this in 4um ?
Our resident and non-resident white guilters have worked themselves into a frenzy over the past few weeks, rabidly frothing at the mouth while extolling the coming of their savior. Come Nov. and the votes are counted, lets see who is left standing. Will be interesting.
I think it's quite possible that those particular folks could not stand that certain issues would be left to the states. They have a narrow agenda, and nothing, NOTHING, else matters. The only way to get there is via the most radical leftist, otherwise either candidate would do. The hammer was to scream racism. Enforcement was browbeating, silencing debate on other issues. I'm not too inclined to believe the conversion rate was very high. It hasn't worked for the GOP, and it won't work for these folks. FWIW.
Mike Ferret.
God is always good!
I read it and blame it on Mike. Am I right????
I do, I do!
When a socialists mouth is in high gear and froth is visible, that means their brain is in the idle mode.
Heh, I see my PR firm is still getting that Pavlovian response to my presence. As an old friend put it, never worry if they are talking about you as long as they get your name correct enough so they know whom they refer to.
LOL!! I notice that another opportunity to debate was rebuked today. It wasn't fair that all the facts could come into play apparently.
As an old friend put it, never worry if they are talking about you as long as they get your name correct enough so they know whom they refer to. I'm sorry, who are you?
Were you and Pavlovian close friends?? hehehehehe
Actually, that comment was made in the low gear modus of a matter of fact mentioning of whom I have supported over the years. I am not responding to FOH as he does not discuss, but only baits and harasses. It is better to ignore such people, as arguing with an idiot who relishes mud throwing is a problematic thing to do creating a situation where the casual observer can't tell who is the hater and who is the baited.
One does not do political activism without coming to understand Pavlovian responses well. It just comes with the territory. ;-)
Got me there, I'm not wearing my name tag today. ;-)
You might have a word with your PR team though...;)
Now now Mike, calm down. I have known you too long to believe anyone gets under your skin. Hell, I remember you and that bike from what, ten years ago????? If FOH irritates you whack him back or ignore but dont bozo. The only poster here that gets under my skin is angle, all she said was...I dont like or agree with anything you write... She crushed me right there. I try to be extra nice but so far no gain.
Nah, I trust their ability to work without adult supervision. ;-D
You just have to believe. :)
I had him on bozo as a vote of disdain for his brand of baiting until the bozo count disappeared from set-up today. But my old account I first signed up here with using my FReeper version of my real life nick name has always watched his game playing. I always watch what people say. I have been a political activist too long not to know to that not watching all elements of a forum is a dumb thing to do.
I feel bad that anyone of your caliber would bozo anyone. Anyway, I recall you and that bike photo from years ago, maybe on FR????? At my age I cannot remember where I live but I recall the bike.
By fascists and Nazis. And I suspect only fascists and Nazis remember this factoid today. Let me see; only fascists and Nazis are interested in actual history. I have to be reminded occasionally that European religious history relating to Martin Luther, the father of reformation, and European history, relating to Germany is owned by the Jews in the good old USA. Thank you, and archived for later use.
Ya gots ta dig a little deeper.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
"Judenrepublik" ("Jew republic", as you so elegantly translate it) is a term I only recall seeing in Nazi propaganda. If it occurs elsewhere, perhaps you can point the source out to me.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Ya gots ta dig a little deeper. It only took a 2x4 to the head to figure that out only a few short years ago. PLEASE, do not let that get around. :)
I do. I was photographed by FReepers at the Lane County Federal Courthouse during a court hearing for some Klamath Water rights people. It was linked to a thread about this issue and as the caption talked of me as a "possible Earth Liberation Front member," I as 'ferret' complained and they changed the caption to not be so slanderous. I believe there was another bicycle picture earlier then that too that had been one of the pictures of me in the Register Guard. That one of me was in reference to a fast for Earth First! activism Tim Ream was doing at that time at the same location. I have been in the local paper many many times, and I am clear and open about being Michael McCarthy as I am already well known locally and have long ago lost my shyness about being known exactly as myself.
I recall you on the bike, next to a gatehouse or some small building, a frontal shot???
That sounds like the Register Guard picture, not the taken by FReeper one. The one of me you can see by clicking on my 'Ferret Mike' post name is of me in front of the Portland Saturday Market tool room. I am with my Cenelli Super Corsa in that picture, but you don't see much of the bicycle, just the seat. I am always on or with one of my expensive machines. I turn 54 tomorrow and look and feel much younger because I excercise constantly, never drink or drug, and eat only healthy food. For example I only eat good quality meat three or four times a week. Unless it is right after hunting season that is and I was successful at taking down a buck with one of my compound bows. Then I enjoy venison much more then I probably should. ;-D
54 and you are still a hell bound fool. You won't be a Wiccan on you death bed unless you are a total fool.
God is always good!
If it occurs elsewhere, perhaps you can point the source out to me. Sure, I had to go thru my stacks: Weimarin Tasavalta – Euroopan Historia – Saksa Otava - 1953
Didn't everyone get a 2x4 to the head?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
I take it that's a history of the Weimar Republic in Finnish. In what connection does it use the term "Jew republic"? (Sorry, I don't know the Finnish for that.)
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Well said. Which is why I'm not here much anymore. Seems to be the best many here can come up with, too, sadly.
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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Politics/government is big business owned and operated by the governing elite. We are the unwashed masses.
Chapter heading – Juutalaisten Tasavalta (literal = Jew’s Republic) Jews gained enormous power during the Weimar ….they owned large department stores, newspapers and banks …. and generally dominated Germany's pop culture during the Weimar years …. their art, literature and theatre were enormously popular, but were looked down on by the native cultural elites as tawdry filth. (halpaa roskaa) Their very success in pre-Hitler Germany was instrumental in the rise of the Nazi party, which was seen as purifying agent for German culture. Boy, talk about condensing something!
We are the unwashed masses. You got it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Jews constituted 52 per cent of the medical profession, due to their control of the system, yet were a small minority.
I don't think so. Perhaps we were the lucky ones????? ;)
So should I use my last wish to become a Jewish doctor, or a black street minister?
I could tell you stories; I’ve had three relatives, now long gone, that got their degrees in Germany in the 30s, when Germany was the leader in chemical and metallurgical expertise. According to them, to get into a good medical or dental school without being a member of the tribe was well-nigh impossible. They were all engineers, BTW.
My mentor told me of the strangle hold they held on academia in the 1930s. Much like we have here now.
You would not be wanted in either group.
Neither. Be a Jewish mother.
let overwrite, let override
A jewish banker.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Well said. Which is why I'm not here much anymore. Seems to be the best many here can come up with, too, sadly It's all over but for the full implementation. Fight, flee or surrender...I know where you stand Bro.
I just did a Google search for "Juutalaisten Tasavalta". Result: no hits. I think your book expresses very much an idiosyncratic viewpoint. I did a similar search for "Judenrepublik" in German yesterday. Results: some results unrelated to Weimar (like for Stalin's proposed Jewish Republic in Siberia), and some Nazi quotes.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Good lord, you just don’t give up; lots of “sisu,” which is good. Juutalainen = jew Orthodoksijuutalaisihminen = orthodox jew Juutalaiset = jews Juutailaisten = belonging to jews Finland = Suomi Germany = Saksa Nazi = natsi Hit preferences, select Finnish and go to town! Hint: Finnish language is kind of difficult, they roll two or three words into one, resulting in some monsters. I used to be a licensed translator, but I even get lost. Lots of “invented” new words. Another hint: I worked thru college as a research assistant and I was paid for my efforts.
I did a Google search on precisely the wording you gave me. If there's a different Google search I should have used instead, you're as capable of providing a link to your search as I was to provide you with mine.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
If there's a different Google search I should have used instead, you're as capable of providing a link to your search as I was to provide you with mine. I don't have a dog in this fight, but ari, seriously...you could not find the Finnish to English translation of the phrase "Juutalaisten Tasavalta"??? Just plug in the phrase to the Translate Text box in the following link:
I wanted to do a Google search for the Finnish version of "Jew Republic," so that I could see how frequently used the phrase is. Karelian told me "Juutalaisten Tasavalta", so I did a Google search for that, and got zero hits. Now he tells me it was the wrong search. I'm waiting for him to give me the phrase I should instead have searched for.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
PS to my last: if you are “talking” to a Finnish computer you must have the “umlauts” in your keyboard or you will get “tarkitse sana” – check your spelling.
I cut and pasted precisely what you sent me. If it should have been something else, why don't you send me that, so that I can cut and paste it?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
It is things like that rather than their true position on the issues that determine how most people vote. I think many people would agree with you DW. One thing I'll toss into the mix though, is the RPRevolution has brought sanity back to the plate, and is something so many of our younger previously apathetic demoralized adults have drawn to. This is why his message is feared. I consider this election a demarcation point from the 'ways' of political seduction of the past to the reality of today. No matter who wins, the celebration won't last long. I hope you are right but I'm very discouraged that it will ever amount to anything. Ron Paul got 8% of the vote. Divide that by half because the other half are Democrats. Divide that half again because it wasn't a general election and the 2% remaining doesn't amount to much. Ron Paul raised $20 million. The rulers who own the Federal Reserve and the media and have $trillions will spend $100 billion plus the value of another $200 billion in media properganda. Not much hope when you are outspent by more than 10,000 to 1.
Ron Paul raised $20 million. The rulers who own the Federal Reserve and the media and have $trillions will spend $100 billion plus the value of another $200 billion in media properganda. Not much hope when you are outspent by more than 10,000 to 1. I hear you, though I do not believe the polling numbers one bit... For the small amount of $ RP has recieved, he's still standing, despite his naysayers..
#2. To: Peppa (#0)
Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.
#3. To: Peppa (#0)
Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.
Lord Acton
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
MSNBC reports she's up by more than 30 points. Matthews suggested it was b/c WV is mostly white. Makes since given the voting trends. Unless O can break thru into the white middle class, he loses to McKooK.
#5. To: Cynicom (#2)
Obummer was right to demean such people that work for a living, own guns and attend church because they want to. Utter unwashed trash.
#6. To: Peppa (#4)
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.
#8. To: Peppa (#4)
all those bitter folks in one place.
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
Unfortunately, out of the three left in the race there isn't one of those.
#10. To: Cynicom (#6)
The media will portray a crushing defeat for Obummer in WV as an example of blatant racism by uneducated white trash of small town America.
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
Bibles and guns for everyone!
#12. To: Peppa (#7)
Lord Acton
#13. To: Peppa (#0)
#14. To: Cynicom (#9)
In Nov. if ballots were allowed a box of..none of the above... that would be a winner.
Lord Acton
#15. To: Peppa, Jethro tull (#10)
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
Yes, these are truly sad times for America. A country with somewhere near 300 MILLION people and the best that can be put forth for the people to vote for is a lunatic who got his ace designation by downing five of OUR planes (not the enemies), a socialist who wants to give us the same wonderful health care system they have in England, and a racist black guy who hates whitey (and whose wife hates whitey even more).
#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
If West Virginia elects John McCain, they deserve him.
#18. To: Peppa (#16)
They all hate our guts, but one hates them much more.
Lord Acton
#19. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)
If West Virginia elects John McCain, they deserve him.
Lord Acton
#20. To: Cynicom (#15)
#21. To: Cynicom (#15)
White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
Out of McCain, Clinton and Obama it doesn't make that much difference who "wins" because no matter which one it is, America loses.
#23. To: Peppa (#17)
#24. To: Cynicom (#15)
White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????
#25. To: Cynicom (#22)
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#27. To: ghostdogtxn (#26)
#28. To: Cynicom (#15)
White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)
#30. To: Cynicom (#22)
That fact escapes the white guilters that infest the forum. Sigh.
Lord Acton
#31. To: Peppa, Jethro tull, Christine (#21)
They can flagellate all over themselves as far as I'm concerned. ;)
#32. To: ... (#28)
#33. To: James Deffenbach (#30)
sad that there seem to be so many of them.
#34. To: ... (#28)
#35. To: angle (#33)
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
I don't know that it really matters which one of them hates us the most.
#37. To: angle (#33)
It's not that there are so many of them. It's that they post ceaselessly.
#38. To: ghostdogtxn (#23)
Well, with McCain at least we don't have to worry about how bad it'll get. He's a known quantity, and will most assuredly make it as bad for the rest of us as he possibly can.
#39. To: Cynicom (#31)
At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.
#40. To: Peppa (#38)
Maybe the Democrat Congress will grow a pair then.
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
#42. To: ghostdogtxn (#32)
The candidates are all the same except the black guy. He's black.
#43. To: aristeides (#41)
If any belief is psychotic, it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.
#44. To: Peppa (#39)
ROFL!
#45. To: angle (#40)
(Edited)
Har Har, like they wouldn't embrace McCain with an open checkbook, with a good many of the checks written to themselves. Yes, Virginia, it looks like the economy is going to save us after all.
#46. To: ghostdogtxn (#32)
The candidates are all the same except the black guy. He's black.
#47. To: Cynicom (#44)
Not nice to show mirth at the expense of your betters.
#48. To: aristeides (#41)
it's the belief that the Weimar Republic was as bad as the Third Reich, or even worse.
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
Weimar Republic
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
#51. To: angle (#48)
You weren't there. Your argument lacks veracity; it is only a debate of the writings of people with certain perspectives and agendas.
#52. To: Cynicom (#31)
At the time I was trying to explain to him the necessity of flushing his john more than once a day. It works much better by doing so. I was not sure he fully grasped the concept.
#53. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine (#15)
White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????
#54. To: Cynicom (#50)
God how white guilters and their black puppet hate us.
#55. To: Cynicom (#15)
White guilters here on the 4um love to grovel, whine and slobber upon Obummer to PROVE they are not racist. I wonder if that evolves from some kind of guilt conscience and or an inferiority complex????
#56. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)
Once we shed our concerns about personalities, religious affiliations or skin color
#57. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
What is your continued fascination for the boring and obscure?
#58. To: Tauzero, Peppa, angle, Jethro tull (#55)
It's where the money is.
#59. To: Cynicom (#56)
(Edited)
When a person has an overpowering NEED to prove himself to others, that person needs help.
#60. To: Cynicom (#58)
One..One and only one candidate has had zero money problems from day one, JUST ONE.
#61. To: Cynicom (#58)
It's where the money is.
#62. To: Cynicom (#56)
Once we shed our concerns about personalities, religious affiliations or skin color
#63. To: Peppa (#61)
You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.
Lord Acton
#64. To: Peppa (#61)
#65. To: James Deffenbach (#63)
Any one of those three will represent the establishment--no matter which one of those scumbags "win" the rest of us lose.
#66. To: Peppa (#61)
You know what? It's starting to look like Obama could be the establishments choice. Heyyyyy wait a minute.. I thought we were looking for change.
#67. To: ... (#64)
As long as you're going to use goofy and unsupported theories, why don't you tell them that Obama hypnotized helpless old ladies into giving their life savings?
#68. To: Cynicom (#66)
Our resident white guilters seem not to grasp that Obummer was created and IS expendable.
#69. To: Peppa (#68)
Perhaps we should have an Obama fund drive here on 4um, surely it would be a big winner.
#70. To: Cynicom (#69)
(Edited)
It has been mentioned that our resident white guilters that formed a better forum are indeed contemplating a fund drive to support their savior, Obummer.
#71. To: Peppa (#70)
#72. To: Peppa (#4)
A few more tornadoes hitting crackers, and all the talk of a Global Tax will probably not be popular by the convention. Imagine.. all those bitter folks in one place.
#73. To: Cynicom (#71)
I wish the white guilters here would post their contributions to Obummer. It might relieve some of their anxiety.
#74. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#72)
Only bitter people could possibly object to paying a Global Tax.
#75. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
The demographic that concerns me consists of those who vote themselves ever increasing shares of the treasury's monetized debt. (and, they don't waste time debating high minded ideals on the internet. They're just waiting silently and patiently to enter the polls and reward the winner of the seniors' welfare lottery....and, they're a surprisingly color blind group, too.)...
#76. To: Peppa (#38)
#77. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#73)
I think they should post it too. Teach us a thing or two.
Lord Acton
#78. To: ghostdogtxn (#76)
I'll let you know from the back of my flying pig.
#79. To: James Deffenbach (#77)
I will wait too.
#80. To: scrapper2 (#75)
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." - Alexander Tyler
#81. To: Peppa (#79)
Welcome JD.
Lord Acton
#82. To: Peppa (#0)
A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.
#83. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#81)
(Edited)
I may have to bring in some supplies. It's already taking longer than it should.. :)
#84. To: FOH (#83)
Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)
Lord Acton
#85. To: James Deffenbach, Peppa (#84)
Yeah, sounds ok. We don't have one of those where I live but I have eaten in them before.
#86. To: James Deffenbach (#81)
Are you going to bring the sammiches? If you do I like ham and cheese.
#87. To: FOH (#82)
A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race.
#88. To: FOH (#83)
Anything off the Quizno's fi-dolla menu works for me...=)
#89. To: Peppa (#87)
What great theater...
#90. To: Peppa (#88)
I like their Italian sammie..
#91. To: FOH (#85)
and not much further away a Quiznos (which countered Subway's fi-dolla deal and now might make IT permanent in light of Subway's new campaign)...
#92. To: FOH (#85)
Subway not far off (their fi-dolla promotion was just made a permanent fi-dolla footlong value menu)
Lord Acton
#93. To: FOH (#90)
Hot peppas, peppa jack, toasted, vinegar/oil/salt/peppa...heheheh
#94. To: Peppa (#91)
You know, I may just have to roll out the BBQ and we'll just throw on some mystery meat and beans.
#95. To: James Deffenbach (#92)
That only applies to certain sandwiches and doesn't include mushrooms on any sandwich. The Subway sandwich I like isn't included in that promotion.
#96. To: Peppa (#86)
Sweet Tea.
Lord Acton
#97. To: FOH (#94)
I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;)
#98. To: James Deffenbach (#96)
'Cept I got to thinkin' 'bout how bad I will feel when the Obummer supporters tell us how much money they have given him that I may not be able to eat a bite. Y'know, not being able to help out in a worthy cause and all.
#99. To: FOH (#94)
I'm having some of my crew over for lunch and I'm going to throw on chicken parts (1/2 bbq, 1/2 cajun), homemade baked beans with some old fashioned cole slaw...so get your butt over here !! ;)
Lord Acton
#100. To: Peppa, FOH (#98)
Thing is though, they are the leaders in worthy causes. To learn, we much be well nourished.
Lord Acton
#101. To: aristeides (#51)
And my relatives fled the Communists who took over the Ukraine, artificially instituted famine and murdered millions.
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#100)
Maybe I could FORCE myself to eat a little something if I knew that I could be of some help to the admirable goal of installing another commie in the White House.
#103. To: Peppa (#102)
That's the unity spirit!!!!
Lord Acton
#104. To: James Deffenbach (#103)
Well, I wouldn't want to be known as someone who isn't even willing to, in the immortal words of Phil Collins, "do my bit for law and order." ahaha.
#105. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
Shelby Steele explains their psychosis by saying that groveling allows them to feel vindicated for the past 400 (+/-) years of slavery and mistreatment blacks endured.
#106. To: karelian (#105)
On a totally different post: for those that did not minor in European history.
#107. To: karelian (#105)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#108. To: Peppa (#106)
Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created.
#109. To: angle (#108)
(Edited)
#110. To: karelian (#105)
(Edited)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#111. To: angle (#108)
Jews had disproportionate influence, power, and wealth in the Weimar Republic, a liberal democracy is still infinitely preferable to the hell on earth the Nazis created. I don't get the disconnect. One follows the other, ie, the second is a natural progression of the first. Weren't people suffering, starving and unable to live with the untenable economic forces which gave rise to the radical Nazism?
#112. To: scrapper2 (#75)
#113. To: Cynicom (#110)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#114. To: Peppa, angle (#111)
There is a serious disagreement in that respect as I have followed the conversation here.
#115. To: scrapper2 (#75)
I agree with you - "white guilt" has little to do, imo, with Obama's surging popularity. It's all about his promises of benefits to the rubes. It's also about the promise that he makes to tax "the rich" - ie. a family that earns $100,000 and more - and in so doing Obama works the envy wedge that has grown in recent years between the economic classes in our society, specifically between the lower and those above. Success and economic independence used to be values that were respected in America. Not anymore. Now it's equal outcomes and entitlements.
#116. To: FOH, Peppa, angle (#113)
#117. To: Cynicom (#116)
#118. To: Cynicom (#114)
No disagreement.
#119. To: Peppa (#118)
To their defense, perhaps such details did not make it to the new book? Just when you think you know all there is to know, you might begin to wonder, is this all I'm supposed to know? Were facts deleted to promote an agenda, or to hide one?
#120. To: Cynicom, Peppa, aristeides, robin (#116)
The Jews of Russia were working hand and glove with the Jews of Germany in disregard of Versailles, in forming the new Germany Army which Hitler was to use.
#121. To: Cynicom (#119)
Sanitized and revised history books are the last place to look for anything that is untoward towards Jews and their mission.
#122. To: FOH (#120)
"Everything is based on ideological cooperation".
#123. To: FOH, Peppa (#120)
Russia training German army...
#124. To: FOH (#120)
..."Everything is based on ideological cooperation".
#125. To: Cynicom, Peppa, aristeides, robin, christine, *Obama Reality Check* (#122)
"Everything is based on ideological cooperation".
#126. To: Cynicom (#123)
At great cost, a mighty Soviet fortress was destroyed and captured by the von Manstein led German Crimean Army."
#127. To: FOH (#125)
Sure does. "NeoCommies" and "NeoCons" got the same game going on today, nearly perfected it appears...
#128. To: Peppa (#0)
#129. To: Peppa, FOH (#126)
This does not bode well with current foreign Army training strategy does it?
#130. To: Cynicom (#123)
Russia training German army...
#131. To: Peppa, Cynicom (#124)
Thank Cyni !
When I returned to Warnemuende from Sweden, I was told that a certain visitor wished to see me. When I met him, he didn't introduce himself. Later, I found out that his name was Student. In spite of his civilian clothes, I felt from the outset that he was a military man. He made it a condition that our talk should be kept in confidence.
After our first conversation, it still was not clear whom he really represented. Only some time later I understood who he was and the real reason for his visit. "With the government's permission, the Reichswehr assisted in reorganizing the army of Soviet Russia. That country needed the technological achievements Germany had. Wilberg headed the Reichswehr Aviation Department. He made a trip to Russia to study the possibility of training pilots there using airplanes built secretly in Germany.
At the time, I could not understand why the visitor asked whether I would be able to make a landplane with a speed of 220 km/h and ceiling of 6000 meters, which could be employed as a short-range reconnaissance aircraft. I asked him what financial resources he had. The man smiled and said that he was ready to buy such an airplane immediately after it was built. After a bit of thought, I agreed. Thus, from 1923 on I became a participant in providing armaments for the German Army. To the surprise of the judges at the Nuremberg trial, the government itself financed this. The HD 17, my first airplane for the Reichswehr, had to be built in secrecy, playing cat-and-mouse with the Allied Commission on Aircraft Construction. The game was extremely dangerous for me. I could lose all or find myself under strict surveillance and constant supervision. I think fortune was on my side.
#132. To: DWornock (#128)
It is things like that rather than their true position on the issues that determine how most people vote.
#133. To: DWornock (#128)
I say this tounge in cheek, but I suspect it has a lot of truth. Obama has the women's vote. With so much indoctrination by the media not to be a racist many the women will vote for Obama to prove they are not and half the women will vote for him because he is a good looking black that they fantasize having sex with.
#134. To: Cynicom (#129)
The Soviets got everything that was due them. Hitler was much smarter and shrewder than that lout Stalin, however, they were brothers under the skin.
#135. To: Cynicom (#129)
Proof??? They started WWII in concert by invading Poland. Your history books never mention the cowardly communists waiting until the Poles were engaged in survival in the West when they invaded from the East. Vultures in for picking the carcass.
#136. To: FOH (#131)
To the surprise of the judges at the Nuremberg trial, the government itself financed this. The HD 17, my first airplane for the Reichswehr, had to be built in secrecy, playing cat-and-mouse with the Allied Commission on Aircraft Construction. The game was extremely dangerous for me. I could lose all or find myself under strict surveillance and constant supervision. I think fortune was on my side.
#137. To: Cynicom (#136)
One of my mentors was an aeronautical engineer with Messerschimidt. Born before the Weimar, lived thru it and Hitler. My history was neither sanitized nor revised by Jewish historians.
#138. To: Peppa, *Racist 2008* (#0)
No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.
#139. To: Peppa (#0)
#140. To: TwentyTwelve (#139)
LOLOL
#141. To: Cynicom (#9)
In Nov. if ballots were allowed a box of..none of the above... that would be a winner.
#142. To: RickyJ (#138)
Obama is going to ensure 100 year war McCain wins. Way to go Obama supporters!
#143. To: TwentyTwelve (#139)
#144. To: FOH, Cyni (#137)
To: Cynicom
#145. To: RickyJ (#138)
#146. To: RickyJ (#141)
"none of these candidates."
#147. To: Cynicom (#15)
Somehow such self-flagellation by these people is disturbing to normal Americans.
#148. To: Cynicom, ALL, *Obama Reality Check* (#145)
"...I first voted for McGovern and still deeply admire the man. I voted for Jerry Brown, Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, and many others who never made it to the nomination or were third party and never voted for Bill Clinton, held my nose to vote Carter and Dukakis, supported Kerry mostly as a strong anti-George Bush reaction, and Obama is the very very first Democrat I have supported this early and so enthusiastically..."
#149. To: RickyJ (#147)
#150. To: Cynicom (#145)
A vote of support for Obummer is a vote for 100 years more of war with McKooK, by the same people that paid lip service to Ron Paul.
#151. To: FOH (#148)
#152. To: FOH (#148)
#153. To: FOH (#148)
"...I first voted for McGovern and still deeply admire the man. I voted for Jerry Brown, Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, and many others who never made it to the nomination or were third party and never voted for Bill Clinton, held my nose to vote Carter and Dukakis, supported Kerry mostly as a strong anti-George Bush reaction, and Obama is the very very first Democrat I have supported this early and so enthusiastically..." Which former Ron Paul supporter recently said this in 4um ?
#154. To: Peppa (#150)
#155. To: Peppa (#153)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#156. To: Cynicom (#154)
When a socialists mouth is in high gear and froth is visible, that means their brain is in the idle mode.
#157. To: Ferret Mike (#155)
Heh, I see my PR firm is still getting that Pavlovian response to my presence.
#158. To: Ferret Mike (#155)
Pavlovian
#159. To: Cynicom (#154)
"When a socialists mouth is in high gear and froth is visible, that means their brain is in the idle mode."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#160. To: Cynicom (#158)
"Were you and Pavlovian close friends?? hehehehehe"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#161. To: Peppa (#157)
"I'm sorry, who are you?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#162. To: Ferret Mike (#161)
Got me there, I'm not wearing my name tag today. ;-)
#163. To: Ferret Mike (#159)
(Edited)
I am not responding to FOH as he does not discuss, but only baits and harasses.
#164. To: Peppa (#162)
"You might have a word with your PR team though..."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#165. To: Ferret Mike (#164)
Nah, I trust their ability to work without adult supervision. ;-D
#166. To: Cynicom (#163)
(Edited)
"If FOH irritates you whack him back or ignore but dont bozo. The only poster here that gets under my skin is angle, all she said was...I dont like or agree with anything you write... She crushed me right there. I try to be extra nice by so far no gain."
#167. To: Ferret (#166)
#168. To: aristeides (#107)
The Weimar Republic was commonly called the Jew Republic in Europe.
#169. To: Peppa (#135)
my history was taught all from the perspective of all good guys v all bad guys.
#170. To: karelian (#168)
#171. To: angle (#169)
my history was taught all from the perspective of all good guys v all bad guys.
#172. To: Cynicom (#167)
#173. To: Ferret (#172)
#174. To: Cynicom (#173)
(Edited)
#175. To: Ferret (#174)
. I turn 54 tomorrow
#176. To: aristeides (#170)
"Judenrepublik" ("Jew republic", as you so elegantly translate it) is a term I only recall seeing in Nazi propaganda.
#177. To: Peppa (#171)
#178. To: karelian (#176)
#179. To: James Deffenbach, rickyj, cynicom, foh (#12)
Yes, these are truly sad times for America. A country with somewhere near 300 MILLION people and the best that can be put forth for the people to vote for is a lunatic who got his ace designation by downing five of OUR planes (not the enemies), a socialist who wants to give us the same wonderful health care system they have in England, and a racist black guy who hates whitey (and whose wife hates whitey even more).
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#180. To: IndieTX (#179)
Well said. Which is why I'm not here much anymore. Seems to be the best many here can come up with, too, sadly.
Lord Acton
#181. To: James Deffenbach (#180)
#182. To: aristeides (#178)
I take it that's a history of the Weimar Republic in Finnish. In what connection does it use the term "Jew republic"? (Sorry, I don't know the Finnish for that.)
#183. To: Cynicom (#181)
Politics/government is big business owned and operated by the governing elite.
Lord Acton
#184. To: karelian (#182)
#185. To: angle (#177)
Didn't everyone get a 2x4 to the head?
#186. To: Cynicom (#184)
Jews constituted 52 per cent of the medical profession, due to their control of the system, yet were a small minority.
#187. To: Cynicom (#184)
Jews constituted 52 per cent of the medical profession, due to their control of the system, yet were a small minority.
#188. To: karelian (#187)
#189. To: Jethro Tull (#186)
So should I use my last wish to become a Jewish doctor, or a black street minister?
#190. To: Jethro Tull (#186)
So should I use my last wish to become a Jewish doctor, or a black street minister?
#191. To: Cynicom (#189)
a Jewish doctor, or a black street minister?
#192. To: IndieTX (#179)
Yes, these are truly sad times for America. A country with somewhere near 300 MILLION people and the best that can be put forth for the people to vote for is a lunatic who got his ace designation by downing five of OUR planes (not the enemies), a socialist who wants to give us the same wonderful health care system they have in England, and a racist black guy who hates whitey (and whose wife hates whitey even more).
#193. To: karelian (#182)
#194. To: FOH, IndieTX (#192)
It's all over but for the full implementation.
#195. To: aristeides (#193)
I just did a Google search for "Juutalaisten Tasavalta".
#196. To: karelian (#195)
Chapter heading – Juutalaisten Tasavalta (literal = Jew’s Republic)
#197. To: aristeides, karelian (#196)
(Edited)
I did a Google search on precisely the wording you gave me.
#198. To: scrapper2, Karelian (#197)
#199. To: aristeides (#198)
#200. To: karelian (#199)
#201. To: Peppa (#133)
#202. To: DWornock (#201)
I hope you are right but I'm very discouraged that it will ever amount to anything. Ron Paul got 8% of the vote. Divide that by half because the other half are Democrats. Divide that half again because it wasn't a general election and the 2% remaining doesn't amount to much.
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