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Title: 4um Poll: What excuse(s) will the Os use when Obama gets crushed by Hillary tomorrow?
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Published: May 12, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-05-12 19:50:11 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 987
Comments: 93

A) WV’ers accept creationism over evolution?

B) WV folk are mostly racist whites?

C) Michelle Obama strikes a scary image?

D) Morris dancers blocked the polling sites?

E) Obama is a big government, socialist, gun grabber?

F) All, or parts, of the above choices?

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

A) WV’ers accept creationism over evolution?

Dumb small town hill billies of Pa. sent Obama a message, tomorrow a stronger message will come from WV and KY.

Somewhere along the line Rendell has to ring up the back room boys and tell them now is crunch time.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   19:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Obama takes Oregon, loses WV. They color it a wash.

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   19:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

Are both WV and KY tomorrow?

She wins both.

And why is she still beating up Obama for McKooK?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:01:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mirage (#2)

He wins w/a large black population and flip that with Hillary. It spells disaster in the Fall for Mr. O.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

Are both WV and KY tomorrow?

I thot so, am I wrong?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-12   20:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

It spells disaster in the Fall for Mr. O.

Obama's campaign tactics will be their own disaster. From what I can tell, that campaign is still playing "divide and conquer by geography" and saying different things to different people.

This is the Internet age and data flows far and wide faster than even in 2004. The inconsistencies will be picked up and broadcast almost instantly.

To win, all McCain has to do is be consistent while pointing out the hypocrisy of his opponent.

I wish it wasn't that simple but it looks like it is. I also don't like giving McCain strategy tips, but there it is.

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   20:05:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

I know WV for sure, I'd guess KY too? It's late in the game.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mirage (#6)

Agree. Guns were a huge part of the '94 revolution, never mind that silly 'contract.' If McCain sews up 2/3rds of the 70 million gun owners, promises to keep taxes low, and simply stays alive he wins. The Iraqi war is as stale as last weeks trash, unfortunately. McKooK wouldn't have beaten Hillary, IMO.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

What excuse(s) will the Os use

I'll say it doesn't matter much what happens in West Virginia tomorrow.

But I'll also say those democrats who vote for Hilary are voting for a criminal who supports the tyrant state against us and the people of the whole world.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-05-12   20:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones (#9)

I'll say it doesn't matter much what happens in West Virginia tomorrow.

Here's why it matters, IMO. Obama has this thing all but won. She's spending her $ to score victories in WV and surly KY. Puerto Rico is hers too if she's still in. So, why is she still beating the guy up? McCain is being helped, obviously, but why is she doing it?? My guess is she wants Obama to lose.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

The Iraqi war is as stale as last weeks trash, unfortunately.

Agreed, but the economy is on the front burner with most voters. And McCain is VERY weak on economic issues.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-05-12   20:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

The Iraqi war is as stale as last weeks trash, unfortunately.

With the Iraq War, have you noticed that the MSM is now publishing more positive stories on it?

When was the last time the MSM went bonkers over the war? Last year?

When the media gives up on an issue you know something is going on.

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   20:28:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Elliott Jackalope (#11)

And McCain is VERY weak on economic issues.

Yep. Bad on illegals, bad on global capitalism, NAFTA, you name it. But where is Obama better? I think he's as clueless as the next guy on the economy, and far worse on social/domestic policy. His promise to shuffle troops from Iraq to Afghanistan is boob bait for the uninformed. I agree w/Hillary's electability argument. I think the Supers go for him for PC reasons, and hope for the best. I never would have thought it, but McCain can win.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mirage (#12)

The MSM went mum. I hear nada; no good, no bad, no nothing. This race will be about race, guns, radicals, and the economy. Obama's peace position is neither a plus or a minus...and....if Iran happens before the election, McCain benefits. Big.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

A) WV’ers accept creationism over evolution?

B) WV folk are mostly racist whites?

C) Michelle Obama strikes a scary image?

D) Morris dancers blocked the polling sites?

E) Obama is a big government, socialist, gun grabber?

F) All, or parts, of the above choices?

G) Even when West Virginians get divorced they are still legally brother & sister?

H) Tooth paste was invented in West Virginia because if it was invented anywhere else, it would be called teeth paste?

I) You can make a West Virginia girl's day by telling her nice tooth honey?

LACUMO  posted on  2008-05-12   20:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: LACUMO (#15)

Tooth paste was invented in West Virginia because if it was invented anywhere else, it would be called teeth paste?

:P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   20:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

D) Morris dancers blocked the polling sites?

Is that anything like the June Taylor dancers?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Peppa (#17)

And away we gooooooo......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   21:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

I never would have thought it, but McCain can win.

It's funny but with the high negatives for Hillary, being matched by the high negatives for Obama, still running a 50/50 contest with McStain, no candidate has all that much to crow about.

Saw a clip of McCain today on the stump.. He's looking weirder than ever. One eye small and the other awake and shifty. He was sort of making a fist and waving it .. saying, I WILL NOT GIVE SHORT SHRIFT TO ISSUES THAT HAVE SHRIFTED, IN THE LONG 8 YEARS OF SHRIFTINESS... and oh yeah... Global Warning/uh.. Warming.. Because, it's a serious threat my friends.

Then they cut to Obama saying, and uhhhhhhhhhh, then uhhhhhhhhhhh.

I can see it now.... with a Hillary presidency, all marching bands, flag carriers, cheerleaders, and beauty contestants, will be wearing pantsuits.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#18)

And away we gooooooo......

Hahahah!!! I love it!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Peppa, Jethro Tull (#19)

Hillary Plays the Race Card

www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/hillary.htm

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-05-12   21:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Peppa (#17)

Is that anything like the June Taylor dancers?

Wow, haven't thought about the June Taylor dancers in many, many years...what show were they on? And, pray tell, who are the Morris dancers...anyone?

CadetD  posted on  2008-05-12   21:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Peppa (#19)

Saw a clip of McCain today on the stump.. He's looking weirder than ever. One eye small and the other awake and shifty. He was sort of making a fist and waving it .. saying, I WILL NOT GIVE SHORT SHRIFT TO ISSUES THAT HAVE SHRIFTED, IN THE LONG 8 YEARS OF SHRIFTINESS... and oh yeah... Global Warning/uh.. Warming.. Because, it's a serious threat my friends.

Then they cut to Obama saying, and uhhhhhhhhhh, then uhhhhhhhhhhh.

This made me laugh. He is looking like his shirt just came from the Chinese laundry, overly starched. How did we get into the mess? Don't tell me,,,,years and years of voting for the lesser of lessors.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   21:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#21) (Edited)

Hillary Plays the Race Card

www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/hillary.htm

Obama was playing the patriotism card today. This country can rise to the challenge.... and all that....

They're slicing and dicing, and trading Ginsu knives..... but the ones in the bamboo steamer are ?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CadetD (#22)

Wow, haven't thought about the June Taylor dancers in many, many years...what show were they on?

I believe it was the Jackie Gleason show!

And, pray tell, who are the Morris dancers...anyone?

Have no idea. The people from CATS?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

This made me laugh. He is looking like his shirt just came from the Chinese laundry, overly starched. How did we get into the mess? Don't tell me,,,,years and years of voting for the lesser of lessors.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if NO ONE showed up at the polls. Dead silence.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Peppa (#25)

Yes, the June Taylor Dancers were on the Gleason show.

That 'tube is of Morris Dancers doing their thing. Never heard of them before but they throw a set of major creeps into me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   21:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

That 'tube is of Morris Dancers doing their thing. Never heard of them before but they throw a set of major creeps into me.

LOL!!

Other than the dancing part, the bat swinging looks like a family reunion to me. And that's just at the dinner table. ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-12   21:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

B) WV folk are mostly racist whites?

This is what the Obama supporters will say. Heck most are only supporting Obama becasue they don't want to be seen as racist. Logic and these people don't go together.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-12   22:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#29)

Logic and these people don't go together.

They fall on the hard left, as does Obama. They use racism as a club for the weak. In the end, Obama will not be president.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   22:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Red Jones (#9)

What excuse(s) will the Os use

I'll say it doesn't matter much what happens in West Virginia tomorrow.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-12   22:32:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull, cynicom (#0)

What excuse(s) will the Os use when Obama gets crushed by Hillary tomorrow?

They'll say that West Virginians "... are coming from far to the right of McCain. It's becoming increasingly clear that some of them are actual Nazis, or the functional American equivalent."

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-12   22:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

From what I have seen on the news, she'll win because us folks here in KY and those in WV are racist.

PS KY primary is Tuesday the 20th:)

Bush: Worst President Ever

justlurking  posted on  2008-05-12   23:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: justlurking (#33)

hey, jl, you're just bitter! ;)

christine  posted on  2008-05-12   23:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#34)

Got that right! This whole presidential cycle has me about as pissed off as I have ever been. I get plenty of Obama flyers in the mail (which are great peepads for the new pup), but locally, I don't hear much about him. Has he even come to this state? I do however, get to cast a vote for Ron Paul in the primary, woohoo!

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justlurking  posted on  2008-05-12   23:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: justlurking (#33)

Well hells bells, JL, how are you!

Long time no claven meet :)

How very sad it is that the feckless ones have the cajones to ignore Obama's 92% black tally, while calling Hillary's majority white vote racist.

Give them hell down there in KY. We gave her a good boost here in PA when O dissed us small towners over guns and bibles.

We'll need an update after Madame H kicks his butt.

Peace

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   23:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Peppa (#25)

Have no idea. The people from CATS?

I was hoping Dick Morris had River Dance troup

CadetD  posted on  2008-05-12   23:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

I'm good:) How's kicks?

Yeah, I noticed and have been steaming over the hyprocrisy over his large black vote (that's ok and to be expected) and her large white vote (that's racist). I cannot believe the media throughout this whole primary. I may go ahead and vote for her just to give her popular vote bragging rights and drag this out a little longer. I'm not quite ready to see the *messiah* crowned just yet.

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justlurking  posted on  2008-05-12   23:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: justlurking, Jethro Tull (#38)

The whole "black vote/white vote" thing is just another nail in the coffin of Political Correctness.

Think about it. A *Democrat* candidate is openly courting *white* support. During Bill Clinton's reign, that would have been unthinkable.

Regardless of the result, Hillary is destroying the PC muzzle.

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   23:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mirage (#39)

Regardless of the result, Hillary is destroying the PC muzzle.

Good for her. It's about time someone does.

Bush: Worst President Ever

justlurking  posted on  2008-05-12   23:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

My guess is she wants Obama to lose.

maybe. who knows what plot those slimeballs and their obscene demo-publican puppets have. if it is as you say, then I'd say she's doing it under instructions.

Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-05-12   23:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mirage (#39)

Regardless of the result, Hillary is destroying the PC muzzle.

Good point. This slop could have a positive unexpected benefit. The hypocrisy of the Os is blatant and has me fighting mad. I'd *love* to meet one of these cyber 'holes face to face and have them tell me I'm supporting McKooK because I oppose Obama. His proctologist would be on overtime looking form my size 11" Sorry for the passion/anger but if this stuff doesn't get our ire up, we're among the walking dead.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   23:36:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Red Jones (#41)

I really think she and McKooK are buds and she's beating him up for Johnny Boy. There is no way the Ds can give her the selection based on political correctness alone. If they did, the blacks would splinter off from the Ds and go god knows where.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-12   23:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Red Jones (#41)

I think Obama will get more votes than the pollsters predict. Ain't no way Hitlery wins by 26 percent.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-05-12   23:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Sorry for the passion/anger but if this stuff doesn't get our ire up, we're among the walking dead.

Completely understood.

Now, hammer on the hypocrisy and tell the O fans that he isn't living up to his OWN standards. Do so politely. This uses their O's own tricks against his fans.

Ask them if they understand they're voting for someone who can't even hold to his own rules. Would they tolerate that in an R? Why not? Is it just because he is black? How racist that they think a black man can't keep standards...and so on.

Turn their own Alinsky-fu against them.

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-12   23:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Fred Mertz (#44)

In KY or WV? I think she'll do well in KY. I am hearing higher numbers than 26 percent for WV.

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justlurking  posted on  2008-05-12   23:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: justlurking (#46)

In WV tomorrow.

The primary is May 20th in KY.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-05-12   23:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Fred Mertz (#47)

The primary is May 20th in KY.

Yep:) I am usually a poll worker, but my husband is filling that role this time around. I have to work late.

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justlurking  posted on  2008-05-12   23:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

None of the above. West Virginia has a right to have a primary and to make a choice. Then that result is fit into the context of the entire primary season.

That is the long and short of it.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-13   0:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Fred Mertz (#47)

The primary is May 20th in KY.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-13   2:02:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Elliott Jackalope (#11)

And McCain is VERY weak on economic issues.

McLame/Insane is verrrrrrrrrrrry weak period. He got pushed by the establishment because he wasn't Ron Paul and could be counted upon to sell the country down the river.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-13   2:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#51)

McLame/Insane is verrrrrrrrrrrry weak period. He got pushed by the establishment because he wasn't Ron Paul and could be counted upon to sell the country down the river.

But because McLame has a bit of an ego issue [understatement], the PTB do not trust him to be totally malleable.

So to make absolutely sure that McInsane will not benefit from the internecine Dem warfare going on between Hillary nd Obama, the PTB have convinced the senile loser to select Condi Rice as his VP. This ties him to the Bush Admin's failure 100% and then some.

www.worldnetdaily.com/ind...fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64149

Officials: 'Good possibility' McCain will pick Rice: Palestinians 'told we may be dealing with her in the future as vice president'

scrapper2  posted on  2008-05-13   2:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: scrapper2 (#52) (Edited)

I guess Kindasleezy is a good choice if you want an incompetent high paid go'fer.

However, as a black woman she neutralizes "Queen" Oh'bummer.

If the allegations of Oh'bummer's fagginess are substantiated he is done. The black community is not as accepting of homos as the white lib'rul hand wringers. If it is clearly proven that Oh'bummer is a fag or bi he is toast.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-05-13   2:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull, Robin, aristeides, christine (#0) (Edited)

WV gave the nation the guards of Abu Ghraib. With such an ignorant, inbred retrograde mentality as that, Hillary's a natural for them.

WV is a human tragedy. My people, the Scots-Irish, are one of the backbones undergirding this country's formerly dominant culture of liberty. But something has gone terribly wrong with the kin we left behind in WV. First there was the separation of the ambitious, intelligent and able (who moved West to better lands) from the lazy, not-so-intelligent and not-so able (who stayed behind to eek out a bare subsistance in mountain hollers). Then, to make matters worse, the Yankees came with their special brand of "benevolence". Subverted politically and forcably pealed away from the Peidmont in order to facilitate the conquest of the Old Dominion, West Virginia became the original Banana Republic. While the Plantation aristocracy of the Peidmont didn't always cotton to these mountain folk or treat them particularly well, the Yankees were even worse. The state has been systematically raped for the benefit of Northern industry ever since, made into a hellish moonscape of blasted-away hills, smog- choked vales and deep dark mines. Thus, the people there (already disadvantaged and retrograde) became ever more so relative to the rest of the nation.

As a result, WV is the perfect constituancy for Hillary, McCain or any other traitor to the Republic. West Virginians are (for the most part) the most perfectly reconstructed (and, thus, totally exploited) white niggers in the Yankee empire. They may be the model for what DC would like to turn the rest of the nation (and world) into: dumb-as-stump labor who'll work to death in mines or fight to death in trumped-up wars, salute the flag and just keep on voting for the bastards who've made their lives a living hell with an unwavering teary- eyed patriotism. We Scots-Irish who got the hell out of there before it went completely to hell can only look back at our Eastern cousins with pity (and shame). They're only a faint echo (barely audible) of our ancestors, who defeated kings and emperors, would rather die than be any man's subject, serf or slave and were the first to set out into the Western wilderness and tame the American frontier.

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Arator  posted on  2008-05-13   2:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Arator (#54)

WV is a human tragedy.

Some of the best people in the world live in WV dude. The only tragedy of WV is the exploitation of its people.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-05-13   3:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Arator (#54)

Not even the land has been spared. Strip mining is a blight with destroys very beautiful and valuable land with no real financial return to the community that is left with badly 'reclaimed' land and no job to replace the ones that were involved with the destruction of the most important asset to any people, the very land they stand on.

I feel bad for the plight of West Virginia and have been watching the train wreck that is strip mining there for decades. I note Hillary would never knock a practice that makes many companies and their top executives and stock holders rich and piss them them off in the process.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-13   3:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Arator (#54)

--

Mountaintop Removal in Kentucky


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-13   3:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Arator (#54)

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Mountaintop Removal in KY and WV


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-13   3:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: RickyJ (#55)

Some of the best people in the world live in WV dude.

I'm sure. Also some of the very worst. When the hero who exposed the Abu Ghraib abomination to the world came back to the West Virginia town that spawned both him and most of the monsters who tortured and abused prisoners there on command, he was welcomed home by death threats and had to go into hiding (somewhere other than WV).

There indeed are great people in WV, real American heros in the truest since of the word (like the Abu Ghraib whistleblower), but they appear to be an endangered minority these days.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-13   3:18:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Arator (#59)

Some of the best people in the world live in WV dude.

I'm sure. Also some of the very worst

I am not so sure that your ancestors by leaving the hills of WV really improved the bloodlines that much.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   3:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#60)

I am not so sure that your ancestors by leaving the hills of WV really improved the bloodlines that much.

LOL. Touche.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-13   3:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Arator (#61)

LOL. Touche.

Ara.

con·de·scen·sion Is a learned trait not an inherited social more.

Being born a hill billy as I was, does not in any way carry a negative stigma, except in the eyes of people that that suffer from an inferior/superior need to distance themselves from some perceived class of people that they deem unfit.

The reverse is true, people that are born and live in the ghettos carry no stigma, it is their way of life and who am I to deem them unfit. Who is to say where and under what circumstance one must be born, live and die, that is acceptable to proper society?

I understand and accept your view.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   3:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#62) (Edited)

Being born a hill billy as I was, does not in any way carry a negative stigma, except in the eyes of people that that suffer from an inferior/superior need to distance themselves from some perceived class of people that they deem unfit.

I love hillbillies. I am a hillbilly too. But I hate Empire and what its done to my people. I blame it, not the people, for their pitiable condition. And when I see West Virginians do the things they did at Abu Ghraib and then try to lynch rather than praise the hero who exposed and stopped it, it makes my blood boil. That's about 180 degrees removed from everything our people have been fighting for (and against) for millennia.

Have you read Jim Webb's book "Born Fighting"? We Scots-Irish have such a proud heritage of standing up to and defeating Empire. That our people have now become some of its most loathsome (and infamous) agents is sickening beyond belief. Hence, my special, if unfair, rage against WV (but mainly against the Empire that has reduced her to so wretched a state).

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-13   4:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Arator (#63)

Hence, my special, if unfair, rage against WV (but mainly against the Empire that has reduced her to so wretched a state).

I think it's appropriate to direct at least part of your rage to Senator Byrd and the Democratic machine he represents. That has in large part kept the state mired in socialism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-13   7:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Arator (#63)

I love hillbillies. I am a hillbilly too. But I hate Empire

Ara...

I said before I UNDERSTAND and accept your view.

At times early in life I held the same view, until it dawned on me, there is no ONE culture in this country, there is no right or wrong, good or bad, what matters is that the people of any culture are HAPPY as a unit, harm no one else with their culture and live life as they see fit.

It is that inbred human trait of all of us that we have this inferior/superior trait to deal with. No one gets it right, we all do the best we can. Personally I have lived in the inner and outer sections of Frisco, New York, Baltimore and smaller cities. The native "hill billies" were happy and or content as they did not leave. The best understanding I have is of a banker that said he was at a loss as to why a farmer would work seven days a week for little money. He answered his own question. The bankers quest was for money, the farmer wanted a contented self contained life to manage on his own.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   7:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Peppa (#26)

if NO ONE showed up at the polls.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-13   8:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: CadetD (#37)

I was hoping Dick Morris had River Dance troup

LOL!!!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-13   9:03:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: noone222 (#66)

if NO ONE showed up at the polls.

What'chu tryin' ta say here??? LOLOL!

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-13   9:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ferret Mike, 54 (#58)

christine  posted on  2008-05-13   9:24:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Peppa (#68)

What'chu tryin' ta say here??? LOLOL!

Maybe I'm the one ... maybe I'm the one who is a skitzophrenic psycho ... yeah !

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-13   9:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Arator (#63)

I love hillbillies. I am a hillbilly too.

I love gays. I have friends who are gay.

I love blacks, I work with blacks.

I love whites er um....nevermind.

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-13   9:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

bump that * 5 4 *

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-13   9:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: noone222 (#70)

What'chu tryin' ta say here??? LOLOL!

Maybe I'm the one ... maybe I'm the one who is a skitzophrenic psycho ... yeah !

LOLOL!!!! :)

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-13   9:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Peppa (#67)

Has nothing to do with anything relevant ... except I liked hearing it and thought others might .... wake - up !

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-13   9:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: angle (#71)

i'm amused :P

christine  posted on  2008-05-13   9:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#65)

At times early in life I held the same view, until it dawned on me, there is no ONE culture in this country, there is no right or wrong, good or bad, what matters is that the people of any culture are HAPPY as a unit, harm no one else with their culture and live life as they see fit.

Except there are WVians ARE harming others. They are becoming HAPPY torturers and killers for empire and would-be-lynchers of those who would expose such abominations. And if they are HAPPY with that "life", then I cannot abide it, or be HAPPY myself that they are my fellow citizens, much less my distant kin. I'm hoping to shame some sense back into them with these posts. ;^)

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-13   9:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Black Box

Vote Scam

Clinton Criminals

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-05-13   9:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Arator (#76)

That's kinda funny. You actually believe the ones who engaged in that torture at Abu Ghraib are the kind of people who do much reading or who are easily shamed? My dad used to say you can't shame a hog and I reckon you would have just about as much luck shaming a hog as you would getting people like that to read or shame them for their actions.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-13   9:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#77)

Bingo!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-13   9:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Arator (#76)

You sure paint 1.8 million with a broad brush.

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-13   9:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Arator (#76) (Edited)

They are becoming HAPPY torturers and killers for empire and would-be-lynchers of those who would expose such abominations.

I think your wrath and outrage is better directed at the programmers rather than the bots.

What if they lived in California?

"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"

angle  posted on  2008-05-13   9:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Arator (#76)

Except there are WVians ARE harming others.

As a matter of record..If you check to see who the General in charge was at the time of the WV girl that was torturing the Muslims, you will find it was a female, very highly educated, insurance and stock broker.

She was given a letter of reprimand and allowed to retire. Of course all of the torture went on without her knowledge. She nor any of her subs knew anything, not a lick, so the hill billy was made an example of and received 3 to 5.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   10:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: angle (#80)

You sure paint 1.8 million with a broad brush.

Elitist mentality.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-13   10:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: noone222 (#74)

Has nothing to do with anything relevant ... except I liked hearing it and thought others might .... wake - up !

Great song!

Sometimes I need a 2nd cupa joe...Hehehe. Thanks.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-13   10:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Arator (#54)

West Virginians are (for the most part) the most perfectly reconstructed (and, thus, totally exploited) white niggers in the Yankee empire.

You might be the biggest douche bag in 4um at any given time...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-13   10:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: FOH (#85)

He and arete claim to be small town ner do wells yet they espouse nothing but the vilest of hatred for their own kind..

Difficult to understand. I have found bad people in "classes" and "cultures" not just in WV.

I have been trying to recall who it was from WV that brought about this never ending war. The only names I can come up with are Bush/Cheney but they are not from WV.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   10:36:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: RickyJ (#55)

Some of the best people in the world live in WV dude. The only tragedy of WV is the exploitation of its people.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-05-13   10:37:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Cynicom (#86)

He and arete claim to be small town ner do wells yet they espouse nothing but the vilest of hatred for their own kind..

Difficult to understand. I have found bad people in "classes" and "cultures" not just in WV.

I have been trying to recall who it was from WV that brought about this never ending war. The only names I can come up with are Bush/Cheney but they are not from WV.

I'm not only disgusted with their treasonous attitudes, I'm not only disgusted with their white guilt, I'm not ONLY disgusted that they suck Commie schlong...I'm completely disgusted to share the same planet with these ass wipes.

Total trash...


Chuck Baldwin for President 2008

FOH  posted on  2008-05-13   10:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: FOH (#88)

People do say rash things when they can hide, where if they were in front of you, they would be tongue tied.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   10:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Arator (#54)

We Scots-Irish who got the hell out of there before it went completely to hell can only look back at our Eastern cousins with pity (and shame). They're only a faint echo (barely audible) of our ancestors, who defeated kings and emperors, would rather die than be any man's subject, serf or slave and were the first to set out into the Western wilderness and tame the American frontier.

Southern states have always contributed the lion's share of soldiers for every war. Most of the people who volunteered had honorable motives - they really believe that they were fighting and dying for righteous causes. As long as people have a "my country right or wrong," or rather, "my government right or wrong" attitude (because they're convinced that what's good for the administration is good for their country and folk), that's the way it's going to be.

The same qualities (physical courage) that tamed the wilderness, fought revolutionary wars, and wars of secession are the ones that are now being recruited to occupy Iraq, bomb Serbia, and threaten Iran with invasion. The first is what makes the second possible. The people and culture haven't changed, the causes and leaders have.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-13   10:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: christine, angle (#69)

Thanks ;-)


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-13   12:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#90)

"my country right or wrong," ... "my government right or wrong"

That's the real trick, isn't it?

The promise, hope, and dream that is America is "my country" and should be defended.

The current administration, whoever it is, is made of fallible people and can be adjusted, dealt with, or thrown out of office.

So the real question is this - how do you get people to believe in America as opposed to believing in its politicians?

It seems most of our problems started when Lady Liberty was taken off of the coinage and replaced with the faces of dead politicians.

Is it possible to start reversing the damage with that simple act? Putting the face of Lady Liberty back on the coinage to remind people that they should be looking to ideals as opposed to people?

Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.

mirage  posted on  2008-05-13   12:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#90)

Most of the people who volunteered had honorable motives - they really believe that they were fighting and dying for righteous causes.

Rupert..

Therein lies the problem. One may go back to the Revolutionary War and work forward.

Not one war was instigated by a havenot from the disdained lower classes. Not one.

All of our wars and military adventures have been wrought by the haves, namely, the wealthy, the intellectuals, the upper class.

On this forum I see daily degradation for the working lower classes for being "patriotic", "ignorant" and "stupid". All of those words came out of the mouth of Obama. My brother was not patriotic in WWII, he was taken away under threat of arrest if he resisted. He never came back. I was not patriotic in 1950, the ruling elite made it known, show up or else.

In my four years I met not one war lover, not one "patriot". Every man wanted to go home. This patriotic thing is part of the programming by the government that the sheep swallow with ease.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-05-13   12:13:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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