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Title: West Virginia Primary May 13, 2008
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URL Source: http://news.aol.com/
Published: May 13, 2008
Author: AOL
Post Date: 2008-05-13 19:35:48 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: West Virginia, Republican Primary, 2008 Election
Views: 2704
Comments: 197
West Virginia Republican Primary 13-May-08 Delegates: 30 7:28pm EST County Results --- 1% Reporting 1 Huckabee 567 52% 2 Romney 521 47% 3 McCain 12 1% 4 Giulliani 0 5 Ron Paul 0
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#1. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
That is the result from the caucuses - the actual vote from today has yet to be tallied.
This is what they are showing on their web site. Today's results should be in soon.
AOL has the wrong results. CNN and FauxNews both have clean slates up. "Hillary Clinton wins with 0% of the vote tallied!"
I SAW THAT! And the panel yappers are 'looking beyond WV'.. The electoral votes are being divided now based on projected win %, to illustrate Hillary's futile efforts. There's 3 weeks to go till the convention cage fight, but the pressure is on to make it easy on the super D's. Everytime I watch the breakdown state by state, I can't figure out why Puerto Rico has more weight than an actual State in the union. Poor Montana.... eating Puerto Rican dust.
From Fox... Exiting polling shows 68% HRC to 32% BHO.
West Virginia Republican Primary 13-May-08 Delegates: 30 County Results --- 4% Reporting 1 McCain 5,623 76% 2 Huckabee 677 9% 3 Ron Paul 330 4% West Virginia Democratic Primary 13-May-08 Delegates: 39 County Results --- 4% Reporting 1 Clinton 14,982 59% 2 Obama 8,997 35%
MSM is either ignoring WV or at best downplaying it.
Reality check. WV is 2/3 Demo and yet they voted for Dumbo W, twice in a row and for Bubba before Dumbo. Now, the Demos are picking Hilly in large numbers. Her core constituency in the country seems to be the Demos who voted for Dumbo twice before and for Bubba twice before that. Hillary supporters: those who supported Dumbo and Bubba.
Where West Virginia goes, the nation dare not follow.
Who was the last D to lose the WV primary, and then go on to win the presidency?
Woodrow Wilson in 1916. That is, he won the presidency in the general without WV. Let me check on primaries (which haven't been around all that long). A. George McGovern in 1972.
It is one thing to despise a certain culture but quite obscene when we have people here that say they were hill billies but despise their own heritage. That is the ultimate elitism. Then to hang the "lack" of education on them as another reason to despise is the ultimate sickness of our society.
They should sent the smart ones to war first... then it would be over faster!
The smart, college educated ones are the same ones that gave us Bush, twice.
If we could roll back the clock 8 years, it would all be perfect./s ;)
Fox... Clinton 72 per cent.. Obama 28 per cent
Clinton 72 per cent.. Obama 28 per cent Another war will shore up those results.
West Virginia Democratic Primary 13-May-08 Delegates: 39 County Results --- 82% Reporting 1 Clinton 200,754 67% 2 Obama 78,876 26%
Delegates: 39 County Results --- 82% Reporting 1 Clinton 200,754 67% 2 Obama 78,876 26% Thanks TT! Do the vote numbers look low to anyone? I believe someone said there are 1.8 M people in WV. I wonder how many total registered voters there are, and what the turnout number is.
38% of Democrats Want Clinton to Drop Out However, if Clinton does not win the Democratic Party nomination, 29% of Democrats say she should run an Independent campaign for the White House. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Democrats disagree. Clinton supporters are evenly divided on the question.
Heh, I hope the feast of material for this race doesn't blow up the heads of the political cartoonists of the United States. No matter which side of the fence any are on, they are having a field day with everybody. ;-)
Its the old comedians' joke about elections: Which one to vote for? One candidate is good for the country and the other is good for business!
People from the right or left nod heads and chuckle at this, and then go about defining those good for this country v. those good for business very differently. That's the ironic and certainly humorous part of this truism.
Well, the comedian has to determine which candidate is good for THEIR business. Not necessarily business in general...in my haste, I left that dangling.
I have an old ferret named Zorro who has grown exceptionally affectionate since recovering from surgery to have a tumor removed. He has taken to climbing up on my shoulders and lower back to sleep while I read and post in the morning. To me, I am too good a 'dad' to put him back in his hammock and I justify the back pain of posting with a hob ferret on my back very gladly simply because I am grateful Zorro is still with me. But a conservative seeing this would laugh at my silly and week indecisiveness allowing a companion pet to rule my life. So it goes, one man's grace is another man's point of derision. The irony and mirth derived from the contrast of different political perspectives will always be a big part of why I am a political junkie.
A neocon would, but a traditional conservative would say you are living your life as you see fit with a minimum of interference, exercising your rights and enjoying the liberty you have. What's wrong with that? Nothing! It is how it should be! You've got the wrong view on Conservatives. Not all of us are confused former Democrats :) I myself have a very spoiled cat ... and your post may equally have come from my fingertips, except that my critter is a little larger than yours and I know conservatives a little better than thou.
Well, the conservatives better start looking right and left and grabbing the neocons mixed in among them to boot them from the party. This campaign this year is starting to look like the GOP is making the trip on the Titanic, largely because McStain is such a bald attempt to craft a campaign that appeals to conservatives and neocons alike. The neocons would have us believe that to have a genuine conservative like Ron Paul would be as evil and unthinkable a thing to do as King Solomon splitting a baby with a sword to satisfy a custody conflict. When really, it would be as healthy and invigorating a thing for the GOP to do to dump the neocon cancer they suffer from as it would be for the United States to exercise needed 'tough love' and boot Israel off the gravy train and to tell the Zionist lobby to go straight to hell.
If you check any of the so-called "Conservative" blogs, boards, or talk shows, you'll see that none of them have any use for McLame whatsoever. Even on 4um, you have to notice that the actual conservatives look at McLame and say "What did we do to deserve this?" But, like most things based in Washington DC, the GOP HQ is completely tone-deaf to the country. Congress is equally tone-deaf all around. They have an urge to "just do something!" which means that they are going to screw it up. Like banning the incandescent light bulb. What a bright idea! Force people to use something that requires a recycling system that doesn't exist. "Power to the people" requires that power actually go to the people and that means enabling people to make their own decisions, not having those decisions made in Washington DC. That also means shrinking Government and reducing regulation. It also means enabling people to use their money as they see fit, so it means lowering taxes. THAT is a conservative viewpoint. It is the viewpoint of those of us who view ourselves as arch-conservatives to whom Barry Goldwater is still a hero. You'd like Barry if you looked at him in his own words. Gays in the military? "To be in the military, you don't have to be straight, you just have to shoot straight." I keep seeing "Power to the people!" rhetoric coming from Democrats and left-wingers. The result is simply bigger government and larger jack-boots. This is not "power to the people" - its "power to me and screw the people!"
Regardless of this sentiment, the Federal Government grew, the red ink grew, and freedoms were lost under both the conservative president named Ronald Reagan and the one we have now who most certainly is more neocon then conservative. Conservatives better rediscover the backbone Barry Goldwater had and hand that nomination torch to an honest and worthy man like Dr. Paul. Because otherwise nobody believes their rhetoric anymore, and all those votes of those this sort of lying doesn't work with anymore are in play, and this year the Democratic party is going to get most of them.
#188. To: Ferret Mike (#183)
You can quit pretending the (s)election process is real and not WWF-like theater for the sheeple. The CFR-Trilats own all 3 lock stock and barrel...
Consistently, 25%+ of registered Republicans are voting against McCain. Ron Paul not only released his bestselling manifesto, but he himself consistently takes about 10% of the vote and is still in the race. A growing number of conservatives 'get it' and understand that the root of conservatism is actually conserving something and are shucking the GOP plantation. Did you notice that in West Virginia some 10% of the vote went to Huckabee who withdrew months earlier? Republicans are beginning to buck the GOP leadership that has taken them for granted for a long time. Democrats will never do that, not from what I've seen. They're pretty well stuck on the plantation for the forseeable future. This leads to one of the gigantic flaws in the American psyche. Americans love winners. They don't remember losers. That is why we have the big lie of "Don't throw your vote away! Pick a winner!" Another flaw is that Americans are fad-oriented and promote conformity with whatever is 'cool' at the time. What is 'political correctness' other than an attempt to force conformity on the people? How about the latest "green" fad? If you're not on-board with what the masses think is popular and how they tell you to do it, you're a pariah. Obama is the latest craze. Get on board or you're a loser! But what if you don't like Socialist policies? Well, you're just a RAAACIST! What is up with that? Have people no shame any longer? Are we merely a nation of petty dictators trying to order each other around? Is that what 'freedom' has become? Merely the freedom to follow a herd "or else"? Individual and independent thought is not tolerated in this country any longer. Who promotes this? Lefties who used to be for freedom and tolerance have become the single most intolerant group in the nation. How's that for hypocrisy? "Agree with me or burn in hell!" is the new mantra of the Lefties. Since when did they start going to church? Never mind that many people interpret 'green' in their own way and are actually looking at better ways to do things. If you're not driving an environmentally-awful unrecyclable hybrid, you're not on-board and we're going to scoff at you! Then the current craze subsides and a new one takes root. The cycle repeats ad-nauseum. Personally, I'm sick of it all. Sorry for the rant, but that is exactly what I'm seeing out there in the world these days.
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#3. To: mirage (#1)
That is the result from the caucuses - the actual vote from today has yet to be tallied.
#4. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)
#7. To: mirage (#4)
"Hillary Clinton wins with 0% of the vote tallied!"
#8. To: Peppa (#7)
There's 3 weeks to go till the convention cage fight
#9. To: mirage (#8)
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
Exiting polling shows 68% HRC to 32% BHO.
#11. To: TwentyTwelve (#10)
#19. To: Cynicom (#11)
MSM is either ignoring WV or at best downplaying it.
Obama supporters: everyone else.
#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#19)
WV is 2/3 Demo and yet they voted for Dumbo W, twice in a row and for Bubba before Dumbo.
#65. To: Arator (#49)
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
(Edited)
Who was the last D to lose the WV primary, and then go on to win the presidency?
#81. To: Arator (#70)
#91. To: christine (#81)
#99. To: Cynicom (#91)
Then to hang the "lack" of education on them as another reason to despise is the ultimate sickness of our society.
#110. To: Peppa (#99)
(Edited)
They should sent the smart ones to war first... then it would be over faster!
#114. To: justlurking (#110)
They should sent the smart ones to war first... then it would be over faster! The smart, college educated ones are the same ones that gave us Bush, twice.
#116. To: Peppa, christine, jethro tull (#114)
#121. To: Cynicom (#116)
Fox...
#131. To: Peppa (#121)
#136. To: TwentyTwelve (#131)
West Virginia Democratic Primary 13-May-08
#146. To: Peppa, FOH (#136)
#147. To: TwentyTwelve (#146)
#157. To: Ferret Mike (#147)
#158. To: angle (#157)
#159. To: Ferret Mike (#158)
No matter which side of the fence any are on, they are having a field day with everybody.
#160. To: mirage (#159)
#161. To: Ferret Mike (#160)
People from the right or left nod heads and chuckle at this, and then go about defining those good for this country v. those good for business very differently.
#163. To: mirage (#161)
#164. To: Ferret Mike (#163)
But a conservative seeing this would laugh at my silly and week indecisiveness allowing a companion pet to rule my life.
#166. To: mirage (#164)
"A neocon would, but a traditional conservative would say you are living your life as you see fit with a minimum of interference, exercising your rights and enjoying the liberty you have."
#174. To: Ferret Mike (#166)
Well, the conservatives better start looking right and left and grabbing the neocons mixed in among them to boot them from the party. This campaign this year is starting to look like the GOP is making the trip on the Titanic, largely because McStain is such a bald attempt to craft a campaign that appeals to conservatives and neocons alike.
#183. To: mirage (#174)
"I keep seeing "Power to the people!" rhetoric coming from Democrats and left-wingers. The result is simply bigger government and larger jack-boots. This is not "power to the people" - its "power to me and screw the people!""
Replies to Comment # 183. Conservatives better rediscover the backbone Barry Goldwater had and hand that nomination torch to an honest and worthy man like Dr. Paul.
#192. To: Ferret Mike (#183)
Conservatives better rediscover the backbone Barry Goldwater had and hand that nomination torch to an honest and worthy man like Dr. Paul. Because otherwise nobody believes their rhetoric anymore, and all those votes of those this sort of lying doesn't work with anymore are in play, and this year the Democratic party is going to get most of them.
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