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Title: West Virginia Primary May 13, 2008
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Published: May 13, 2008
Author: AOL
Post Date: 2008-05-13 19:35:48 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: West Virginia, Republican Primary, 2008 Election
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West Virginia Republican Primary 13-May-08 Delegates: 30 7:28pm EST County Results --- 1% Reporting 1 Huckabee 567 52% 2 Romney 521 47% 3 McCain 12 1% 4 Giulliani 0 5 Ron Paul 0
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#158. To: angle (#157)
Heh, I hope the feast of material for this race doesn't blow up the heads of the political cartoonists of the United States. No matter which side of the fence any are on, they are having a field day with everybody. ;-)
Its the old comedians' joke about elections: Which one to vote for? One candidate is good for the country and the other is good for business!
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
People from the right or left nod heads and chuckle at this, and then go about defining those good for this country v. those good for business very differently. That's the ironic and certainly humorous part of this truism.
Well, the comedian has to determine which candidate is good for THEIR business. Not necessarily business in general...in my haste, I left that dangling.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
I have an old ferret named Zorro who has grown exceptionally affectionate since recovering from surgery to have a tumor removed. He has taken to climbing up on my shoulders and lower back to sleep while I read and post in the morning. To me, I am too good a 'dad' to put him back in his hammock and I justify the back pain of posting with a hob ferret on my back very gladly simply because I am grateful Zorro is still with me. But a conservative seeing this would laugh at my silly and week indecisiveness allowing a companion pet to rule my life. So it goes, one man's grace is another man's point of derision. The irony and mirth derived from the contrast of different political perspectives will always be a big part of why I am a political junkie.
A neocon would, but a traditional conservative would say you are living your life as you see fit with a minimum of interference, exercising your rights and enjoying the liberty you have. What's wrong with that? Nothing! It is how it should be! You've got the wrong view on Conservatives. Not all of us are confused former Democrats :) I myself have a very spoiled cat ... and your post may equally have come from my fingertips, except that my critter is a little larger than yours and I know conservatives a little better than thou.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
Well, the conservatives better start looking right and left and grabbing the neocons mixed in among them to boot them from the party. This campaign this year is starting to look like the GOP is making the trip on the Titanic, largely because McStain is such a bald attempt to craft a campaign that appeals to conservatives and neocons alike. The neocons would have us believe that to have a genuine conservative like Ron Paul would be as evil and unthinkable a thing to do as King Solomon splitting a baby with a sword to satisfy a custody conflict. When really, it would be as healthy and invigorating a thing for the GOP to do to dump the neocon cancer they suffer from as it would be for the United States to exercise needed 'tough love' and boot Israel off the gravy train and to tell the Zionist lobby to go straight to hell.
Sen. John McCain's wife, Cindy was in the news today when her "McCain Family Recipes" for Ahi tuna, rosemary chicken and farfalle pasta that were posted on Sen. McCain's election website turned out to have been lifted from (copied word for word, in fact) from the Food Network website.
I wonder what cartoon would appropriately characterize Omarx and the NC vote...the (shriek) BLACK VOTE ? lolol Idiots
They are H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S of the highest odor...
"I reveal my innermost neocon to my god!"
However, if Clinton does not win the Democratic Party nomination, 29% of Democrats say she should run an Independent campaign for the White House. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Democrats disagree. Clinton supporters are evenly divided on the question. Whoaaaaaaa!! I saw a little pie chart last nite illustrating the % dem voters that would not vote HIll or BHO, if their candidate lost. I wish I could remember the breakout, but the numbers have increased... I believe it was something 70+% would not vote BHO, and 50+% would not vote Hilly. If she peeled off to go Indy where would the money come from? Even if she did do this, it's not a given that her entire base would follow. However, it could probably follow that such an event would ensure a McCain win. Hilly get's a special prize then from McCain. Hmmmmmmmmm........ I wonder if Ruby Ghouliani even really had cancer during his Senate run against Hiltery...the race the womanoid won by default in essence.
If you check any of the so-called "Conservative" blogs, boards, or talk shows, you'll see that none of them have any use for McLame whatsoever. Even on 4um, you have to notice that the actual conservatives look at McLame and say "What did we do to deserve this?" But, like most things based in Washington DC, the GOP HQ is completely tone-deaf to the country. Congress is equally tone-deaf all around. They have an urge to "just do something!" which means that they are going to screw it up. Like banning the incandescent light bulb. What a bright idea! Force people to use something that requires a recycling system that doesn't exist. "Power to the people" requires that power actually go to the people and that means enabling people to make their own decisions, not having those decisions made in Washington DC. That also means shrinking Government and reducing regulation. It also means enabling people to use their money as they see fit, so it means lowering taxes. THAT is a conservative viewpoint. It is the viewpoint of those of us who view ourselves as arch-conservatives to whom Barry Goldwater is still a hero. You'd like Barry if you looked at him in his own words. Gays in the military? "To be in the military, you don't have to be straight, you just have to shoot straight." I keep seeing "Power to the people!" rhetoric coming from Democrats and left-wingers. The result is simply bigger government and larger jack-boots. This is not "power to the people" - its "power to me and screw the people!"
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
The picture most commonly found above the desks of McCain staffers as they work for the chimp's third term.
McCain is happy to hear this. rockefeller, soros, zbig and kissinger must be laughing their asses off...especially at all the useful idiots that play the game believing they effect the outcome.
Oh gee, look what the arrested development Corn Flake Liar did...took me off of filter. Must be a slow day.
Even on 4um, you have to notice that the actual conservatives look at McLame and say "What did we do to deserve this?" But, like most things based in Washington DC, the GOP HQ is completely tone-deaf to the country. It's not tone deaf, my friend. The NAUers, counting most in D.C. and all of McHillObama, know that they are very close to the end of the road for their dreams and ONLY American patriots (Conservative-Constitutionalists) will really do anything to stop it. These Ofrauds sure as he## won't...
Let's get that right... Regardless of this sentiment, the Federal Government grew, the red ink grew, and freedoms were lost under both the conservative president named Ronald Reagan and the one we have now who most certainly is more neocon then conservative. Conservatives better rediscover the backbone Barry Goldwater had and hand that nomination torch to an honest and worthy man like Dr. Paul. Because otherwise nobody believes their rhetoric anymore, and all those votes of those this sort of lying doesn't work with anymore are in play, and this year the Democratic party is going to get most of them.
Do a 'from' search for my 'Ferret' account. I made some posts on it this week.
I made some posts on it this week. Here, suck on this: In the video here, Barack Obama tells us he believes George Bush Senior “did an excellent job when it came to the Gulf War” and this serves as a “model for how we should be operating.” In addition to Obama’s praise for slaughter and untold suffering, the presidential candidate told his audience the first Bush administration had engaged in “incredible and hard diplomatic negotiation,” a declaration that is completely at odds with reality. In fact, the United States had long planned to attack Iraq, years before Saddam invaded Kuwait for stealing its oil by way of slant drilling and violating OPEC oil production agreements, thus undercutting the price of oil in order to destroy Iraq’s economy. In 1989, the Pentagon had drawn up plans to invade Iraq. Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr., colorfully known as “Stormin’ Norman” — “Mass Murdering Norman” works better — was named Commander of the so-called U.S. Central Command, which was the renamed version of the Rapid Deployment Force, and as commander he oversaw the plan to invade Iraq. During January of 1990, massive quantities of United States weapons, equipment, and supplies were sent to Saudi Arabia in order to prepare for the war against Iraq. CIA Director William Webster, writes Francis A. Boyle, “and the CIA assisted and directed Kuwait in its actions… in demanding immediate repayment of loans Kuwait had made to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War… and in breaking off negotiations with Iraq over these disputes.” In doing this, the United States “intended to provoke Iraq into aggressive military actions against Kuwait that they knew could be used to justify U.S. military intervention into the Persian Gulf for the purpose of destroying Iraq and taking over Arab oil fields.” But if we listen to Obama, the United States was involved in sincere and “incredible and hard diplomatic negotiation,” a statement that reveals either Obama’s ignorance or disingenuousness. It is common historic knowledge that U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie tricked Saddam Hussein into invading Kuwait. Glaspie “assured him that the United States considered the dispute to be a regional concern, and that it would not intervene militarily. In other words, the United States government gave Saddam Hussein what amounted to a ‘green light’ to invade Kuwait.” Saddam, of course, was an easily fooled chump, as the U.S. had played a similar trick in 1980, when the Carter administration gave a “green light” urging Saddam to attack Iran, resulting in a catastrophically tragic war — 900,000 Iranians and 300,000 Iraqis were slaughtered. Obama, as a stand-up for the likes of Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski, both Rockefeller operatives, does not bother to mention in his speech that Bush Senior violated the Constitution and lied to the American people in order to invade Iraq. He said the act of moving 40,000 U.S. military personnel into the Gulf was “defensive.” From the outset, Bush “deliberately misled, deceived, concealed and made false representations to the Congress to prevent its free deliberation and informed exercise of legislative power,” as Boyle explains. Moreover, Bush intentionally usurped Congressional power, ignored its authority, and failed and refused to consult with the Congress. He instituted a naval blockade of Iraq — an overt act of war, no matter who writes the history books — without approval of Congress or the neolib lapdog organization, the United Nations. He sent an additional 200,000 troops without consulting Congress or acquiring its approval. Soon enough, Bush turned these “defensive” forces into offensive forces. He “strong-armed legislation through Congress that approved enforcement of U.N. resolutions vesting absolute discretion in any nation, providing no guidelines, and requiring no reporting to the United Nations.” Bush “knew full well that he intended to destroy the armed forces and civilian infrastructure of Iraq. Those acts were undertaken to enable him to commit a Nuremberg Crime Against Peace and war crimes. This conduct violated the Constitution and Laws of the United States and especially the War Powers Clause found in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, the U.S. War Powers Act of 1973, 87 Stat. 555,” notes Boyle. “The United States is knowingly violating Article 54 of the Geneva Convention which prohibits any country from undermining ‘objects indispensable to the survival of (another country’s) civilian population,’ including drinking water installations and supplies, says Thomas Nagy, a business professor at George Washington University,” Stephen Gowans wrote in 2001. “During the Gulf War, coalition forces bombed Iraq’s eight multi-purpose dams, destroying flood control systems, irrigation, municipal and industrial water storage, and hydroelectric power. Major pumping stations were targeted, and municipal water and sewage facilities were destroyed.” But it was worse than this, far worse, according to Nagy. Nagy says that not only did the United States deliberately destroy drinking water and sanitation facilities, it knew sanctions would prevent Iraq from rebuilding, and that epidemics would ensue. One document, written soon after the bombing, warned that sanctions would prevent Iraq from importing “water treatment replacement parts and some essential chemicals” leading to “increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease.” Another document lists the most likely diseases: “diarrheal diseases (particularly children); acute respiratory illnesses (colds and influenza); typhoid; hepatitis A (particularly children); measles, diphtheria, and pertussis (particularly children); meningitis, including meningococcal (particularly children); cholera (possible, but less likely.)” Then U.S. Navy Secretary John Lehman estimated that 200,000 Iraqis died in the Gulf War, but many more have died since. UNICEF estimates that well over a million Iraqis have died as a result of the U.S-led sanctions regime, in place for the last decade. Some 500,000 children have died, and an estimated 4,000 die from various preventable, sanctions-related diseases, every month, says the U.N. agency. Obama does not mention this tremendous and criminal loss of life. Instead, he concentrates on how much the invasion and medieval siege of Iraq cost. “You know how much that whole thing cost us?” Obama asks his audience. “20 billion dollars.” And then he takes the second Bush administration to task for spending $600 billion for the second invasion and occupation of Iraq, actually phase two of the original illegal and immoral attack. Not a single word on the million plus people who have so far lost their lives. Disgustingly, when Obama declares “that’s the kind of foreign policy I want to pursue,” the audience applauds. But then, as usual, the people are easily tricked, just like Saddam Hussein, and are bedazzled by cheap slogans and snake oil salesmen and enthusiastically offer up their plaudits. Dictators and tyrants have enjoyed this sort of support for centuries. If selected, Obama will usher in the next round of imperialistic mass murder under the Kissinger-Brzezinski banner, that is to say the bloody oriflamme of the neolibs. Naturally, the hoodwinked masses will see this as “change,” as the in-your-face neocons will be obliged to step aside, that is to say retire to their “think-tanks,” teaching positions, and memoirs. Of course, none of these criminals actually step aside, they simply step out of the public spotlight and continue their work in the shadows. It is not a mistake the neolib and neocon organizations are interlocking. It’s a shell game and there really is not much disagreement at the top. I don't believe McTraitor cares...at all.
You can quit pretending the (s)election process is real and not WWF-like theater for the sheeple. The CFR-Trilats own all 3 lock stock and barrel...
Their spin doesn't cause anyone to sweat, and only shows how ignorant they truly are. ;-D Yeah, Oregon is like the polar opposite of WV isn't it ?
I don't object to posting to you because of your views, you are welcome to them. But your very neocon ugliness and lack of couth which makes you think of a little politesse between adversaries in an open forum as nothing more then weakness that should be avoided at all costs means I still have little use for exchanging posts with you. You need to lighten up. You play nice and don't make it personal I will always answer. You don't then I have no use for doing so. I can tell you are an experienced interlocutor, well so am I. You are not going to knock me out of the ring here, and I am not going to influence how long you post here either. Do what you want to do, but always be aware I can indeed get angry, but I never sweat whenever engaged in rhetorical banter with folks like you. Cheers.
Consistently, 25%+ of registered Republicans are voting against McCain. Ron Paul not only released his bestselling manifesto, but he himself consistently takes about 10% of the vote and is still in the race. A growing number of conservatives 'get it' and understand that the root of conservatism is actually conserving something and are shucking the GOP plantation. Did you notice that in West Virginia some 10% of the vote went to Huckabee who withdrew months earlier? Republicans are beginning to buck the GOP leadership that has taken them for granted for a long time. Democrats will never do that, not from what I've seen. They're pretty well stuck on the plantation for the forseeable future. This leads to one of the gigantic flaws in the American psyche. Americans love winners. They don't remember losers. That is why we have the big lie of "Don't throw your vote away! Pick a winner!" Another flaw is that Americans are fad-oriented and promote conformity with whatever is 'cool' at the time. What is 'political correctness' other than an attempt to force conformity on the people? How about the latest "green" fad? If you're not on-board with what the masses think is popular and how they tell you to do it, you're a pariah. Obama is the latest craze. Get on board or you're a loser! But what if you don't like Socialist policies? Well, you're just a RAAACIST! What is up with that? Have people no shame any longer? Are we merely a nation of petty dictators trying to order each other around? Is that what 'freedom' has become? Merely the freedom to follow a herd "or else"? Individual and independent thought is not tolerated in this country any longer. Who promotes this? Lefties who used to be for freedom and tolerance have become the single most intolerant group in the nation. How's that for hypocrisy? "Agree with me or burn in hell!" is the new mantra of the Lefties. Since when did they start going to church? Never mind that many people interpret 'green' in their own way and are actually looking at better ways to do things. If you're not driving an environmentally-awful unrecyclable hybrid, you're not on-board and we're going to scoff at you! Then the current craze subsides and a new one takes root. The cycle repeats ad-nauseum. Personally, I'm sick of it all. Sorry for the rant, but that is exactly what I'm seeing out there in the world these days.
Change doesn't always make things better. Often times, it makes things a heck of a lot worse.
Many here pulled the lever for smirk at least once. I'll cop to '00.
Bump that.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Oregon is very very different then West Virginia. Not better, but we have much more diversity in many ways, and much of this is due to the fact that geographically we are a diverse and large piece of the U.S. The population is centered around the Willamette Valley, and tends to be young, well to do in the Portland area. They form the core of the informal leaders and others who influence the Democraic and liberal Republican electorate in national races. For example of how thing are here; the rally for Kerry the last election was one of his biggest and succeeded under the adverse conditions of Bush trying to tie up the media by extending his speech happening simultaneously in nearby Beaverton causing the heat and sun -- not to mention Kerry's wife's speech she had the chore to do to bide for time -- making everyone suffer greatly. I have never seen a crowd not break up and decay before in those circumstances, and it speaks of the utter hunger and tenacity of the Democrats here in Oregon to deliver the best candidate to have a go at McCain. They don't show the same confusion as WV votes do over Obama. Everyone here knows he's Christian, all WV polls showed some people believing otherwise because of mis-perceptions about the man. We are voting now in Oregon, by mail. I have my ballot right in front of me so I won't forget to mail it on the way to work today. We are very well informed in Oregon, well educated, compassionate, deeply concerned about environmental issues, and we will be part of the picture that puts the best man (or woman) running for the Democratic Nomination into the White House this November.
As Reagan would say, "There you go again." I was in the U.S. Army nine years. I have heard that too many times to count. I have heard, "Blood and guts makes the grass grow green and napalm sticks to kids" talk a large part of my life; so that sort of "BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" is lost on me. I have seen all this and more long before now, so all you prove here is that you have no point at all except the promotion of a very fascist in tone mindset of no quarter for your political adversary. If that's your choice, that is fine with me. Because as I said, I just will ignore the process of answering you.
Ewwwwwwwwww... thats good. McCain sort of reminds me of 'Cotton Hill', Hank's dad in King of the Hill. War hero with exaggerated war stories. Sort of looks like him too. (I guess I wasn't the first to find this comparison either) ==== I can't claim ownership of this comparison, but it's really sort of shocking, once you realize how much it's true: John McCain is Hank Hill[s] father, Cotton. If you're not familiar with Cotton, here's his Wiki page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Hil l . Read up, and be astonished at the similarities! However, if you are familiar with Cotton, you'll realize that this is decidedly not a compliment, this comparison. Cotton Hill was a loud- mouthed, angry a'hole.
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#159. To: Ferret Mike (#158)
No matter which side of the fence any are on, they are having a field day with everybody.
#160. To: mirage (#159)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#161. To: Ferret Mike (#160)
People from the right or left nod heads and chuckle at this, and then go about defining those good for this country v. those good for business very differently.
#162. To: angle (#157)
#163. To: mirage (#161)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#164. To: Ferret Mike (#163)
But a conservative seeing this would laugh at my silly and week indecisiveness allowing a companion pet to rule my life.
#165. To: Ferret Mike (#163)
#166. To: mirage (#164)
"A neocon would, but a traditional conservative would say you are living your life as you see fit with a minimum of interference, exercising your rights and enjoying the liberty you have."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#167. To: TwentyTwelve (#165)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#168. To: Ferret Mike (#147)
#169. To: TwentyTwelve (#165)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#170. To: angle (#148)
What an insulting cartoon. Picture Obaba on top of the black ghetto vote...I'm sure it'd go over really big with you.
#171. To: Ferret Mike (#167)
#172. To: TwentyTwelve (#165)
Within her zombie heart Cindy McCain is a committed Stockbroker for Jesus, an offshoot of Evangelical Corporatism. As a member of the First Baptist Church of the Gooey Death, she is able to express her sacred love of god and divine hatred of gays and liberals. Religion has taught her to stop worrying and love the "Almighty Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran".
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#173. To: Peppa, TwentyTwelve (#151)
38% of Democrats Want Clinton to Drop Out
#174. To: Ferret Mike (#166)
Well, the conservatives better start looking right and left and grabbing the neocons mixed in among them to boot them from the party. This campaign this year is starting to look like the GOP is making the trip on the Titanic, largely because McStain is such a bald attempt to craft a campaign that appeals to conservatives and neocons alike.
#175. To: Ferret Mike (#172)
#176. To: FOH (#173)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#177. To: TwentyTwelve (#154)
Obama is basically unelectable after this trouncing.
#178. To: Ferret Mike (#176)
#179. To: FOH (#177)
rockefeller, soros, zbig and kissinger must be laughing their asses off...especially at all the useful idiots that play the game believing they effect the outcome.
#180. To: mirage (#174)
If you check any of the so-called "Conservative" blogs, boards, or talk shows, you'll see that none of them have any use for McLame whatsoever.
#181. To: mirage (#174)
But, like most things based in Washington DC, the GOP HQ is completely tone-deaf to the country.
#182. To: TwentyTwelve (#179)
Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama
#183. To: mirage (#174)
"I keep seeing "Power to the people!" rhetoric coming from Democrats and left-wingers. The result is simply bigger government and larger jack-boots. This is not "power to the people" - its "power to me and screw the people!""
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#184. To: FOH (#178)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#185. To: FOH (#182)
#186. To: Ferret Mike (#184)
Do a 'from' search for my 'Ferret' account.
#187. To: TwentyTwelve (#185)
#188. To: Ferret Mike (#183)
Conservatives better rediscover the backbone Barry Goldwater had and hand that nomination torch to an honest and worthy man like Dr. Paul.
#189. To: Ferret Mike (#155)
I am amused by those who's lack of political savvy about where West Virginia fits into the context of this primary race try to go with this.
#190. To: FOH (#186)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#191. To: Ferret Mike (#190)
KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMY
#192. To: Ferret Mike (#183)
Conservatives better rediscover the backbone Barry Goldwater had and hand that nomination torch to an honest and worthy man like Dr. Paul. Because otherwise nobody believes their rhetoric anymore, and all those votes of those this sort of lying doesn't work with anymore are in play, and this year the Democratic party is going to get most of them.
#193. To: justlurking. the thread (#110)
The smart, college educated ones are the same ones that gave us Bush, twice.
#194. To: mirage (#192)
#195. To: FOH (#189)
"Yeah, Oregon is like the polar opposite of WV isn't it ?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#196. To: FOH (#191)
"KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMY"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#197. To: (#171)
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