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Title: Sect mother of newborn not a minor, Texas concedes
Source: AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat
Published: May 13, 2008
Author: MICHELLE ROBERTS
Post Date: 2008-05-13 20:39:20 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 117
Comments: 4

SAN ANTONIO - Texas child welfare officials conceded Tuesday that a newborn's mother, held in foster care as a minor after being removed from a polygamous sect's ranch, is an adult.

A Child Protective Services attorney told state District Judge Barbara Walther that the mother of a boy born April 29 is not a minor, as CPS had claimed as justification for holding her.

The woman had been held along with more than 400 children taken last month from a west Texas ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. State officials say the children were endangered by underage and polygamous spiritual marriages.

"We were presented with credible evidence that this minor is, in fact, an adult," said CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner.

She declined to say what the evidence was or how old the woman is. According to an FLDS spokesman, the new mother, Pamela Jeffs, is 18.

She was one of two pregnant sect members who state officials had said were minors. The other sect member, who gave birth to a son Monday, also may be an adult, state officials have said.

Both mothers are with their babies, who are in state custody.

CPS has complained that sect members have given different names and ages, confusing the identification process in one of the largest, most convoluted custody cases in U.S. history.

But FLDS spokesman Rod Parker has accused the state of holding on to pregnant women and treating them as minors to ensure the state could take custody of the newborns, who might otherwise be born outside of Texas. A call to Parker was not immediately returned Tuesday.

There are 27 claims of women being misidentified as girls when they were taken into state custody from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. If evidence is provided proving they are not minors, they will be released, Meisner said.

"We are still in the midst of an investigation. We continue to speak with the children, parents and others who have information that would be helpful to us," she said. "We cannot just dismiss these cases without credible evidence regarding their ages. We have an obligation to protect children."

The state's admission on Tuesday takes the total number of children in state custody down to 464.

In a separate case, a judge in San Antonio on Tuesday issued a temporary restraining order barring CPS from removing Lori Jessop from her son on his first birthday Thursday. Mothers with children younger than 12 months have been allowed to stay with them, but those who are older have been moved into foster care, away from their mothers.

Texas child welfare authorities took the FLDS children into custody on the argument that the polygamist sect abused children by pushing underage girls into marriage and sex and by raising boys to be future perpetrators. FLDS members have denied any abuse.

All the children are expected to get individual hearings starting May 19.

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#1. To: aristeides, ghostdogtxn (#0)

There are 27 claims of women being misidentified as girls when they were taken into state custody from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. If evidence is provided proving they are not minors, they will be released, Meisner said.

"We are still in the midst of an investigation. We continue to speak with the children, parents and others who have information that would be helpful to us," she said. "We cannot just dismiss these cases without credible evidence regarding their ages. We have an obligation to protect children."

Since you two are lawyers, maybe you could help explain something to me, if you so choose of course. Why is it that these people have to prove to the Texas CPS and court system that they are adults instead of the CPS and the court system having to prove that they are minors? Doesn't this fly in the face of being innocent until proven guily? How os it that they are able to waltz in and take these people without first determining their ages? It's ot like we are talking about 5 year olds here.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-13   20:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

Our child protection laws have led to all sorts of dilutions of ideas of due process (e.g., change after the fact in statute of limitations, right to confront accusers). If they've also diluted the presumption of innocence, I have no idea whether the courts have upheld that already. But it would not surprise me if they have.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-13   22:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides, Hayek Fan (#2)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-05-14   9:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Shhhhhhh. Print this but quickly relegate it to the old news section.

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angle  posted on  2008-05-14   11:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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