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Title: Televangelist John Hagee apologizes to Catholics
Source: AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hagee_le ... t=AoipIKDm1QhsabeaftyOjQqs0NUE
Published: May 13, 2008
Author: JIM KUHNHENN
Post Date: 2008-05-13 20:56:37 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Views: 2312
Comments: 40

WASHINGTON - John Hagee, an influential Texas televangelist who endorsed John McCain, apologized to Catholics Tuesday for his stinging criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and for having "emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholic and Protestant relations with the Jews."

Hagee's support for McCain has drawn cries of outrage from some Catholic leaders who have called on McCain to reject Hagee's endorsement. The likely Republican nominee has said he does not agree with some of Hagee's past comments, but did not reject his support.

In a letter to William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights, Hagee wrote: "Out of a desire to advance a greater unity among Catholics and evangelicals in promoting the common good, I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful."

Donohue, one of Hagee's sharpest critics, said he accepted the apology and planned to meet with Hagee Thursday in New York.

"I got what I wanted," Donohue said in an interview. "He's seen the light, as they like to say. So for me it's over."

The controversy had threatened to pursue McCain throughout the campaign, potentially hurting his standing with Catholic voters. A narrow majority of Roman Catholics voted for President Bush in 2004 and for Al Gore in 2000, critical votes in close elections.

The letter came after Hagee met Friday for lunch in a French restaurant in downtown Washington with 22 influential religious activists, virtually all of them Catholics.

Hagee has cited the Inquisition and the Crusades as evidence of anti-Semitism within the Catholic church and has suggested that Catholic anti-Semitism shaped Adolf Hitler's views of Jews.

"In my zeal to oppose anti-Semitism and bigotry in all its ugly forms, I have often emphasized the darkest chapters in the history of Catholics and Protestant relations with the Jews," Hagee wrote. "In the process, I may have contributed to the mistaken impression that the anti-Jewish violence of the Crusades and the Inquisition defines the Catholic Church. It most certainly does not."

Hagee has often made references to "the apostate church" and the "great whore," terms that Catholics say are slurs aimed at the Roman Catholic Church. In his letter, Hagee said he now better understood that his use of those descriptions, taken from the Book of Revelations, are "a rhetorical device long employed in anti-Catholic literature and commentary."

He stressed that in his use, "neither of these phrases can be synonymous with the Catholic Church."

The remarkable 2 1/2-page letter was no doubt inspired by the political storm Hagee's endorsement caused. Hagee leads a San Antonio, Texas, megachurch with a congregation in the tens of thousands. He has an even wider television audience.

When he endorsed McCain in late February, Donohue and other Catholic leaders demanded that McCain repudiate him. The Democratic National Committee also weighed in, highlighting Hagee's remarks over the years.

Some commentators even likened Hagee's affect on McCain to the controversy Democrat Barack Obama faced as a result of the views expressed by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

McCain initially embraced Hagee's endorsement, eager to reach out to religious voters by securing the support of a prominent Christian conservative. But he was soon forced to put some distance with Hagee.

"Any comments that he made about the Catholic Church I strongly condemn, of course," he said during an April appearance on ABC's "This Week."

Campaigning in North Bend, Wash., McCain on Tuesday said Hagee's apology was "very helpful."

"Whenever somebody apologizes for something they did wrong, then I think that that's a laudable thing to do," he said.

Asked if he or his campaign played a role in brokering Hagee's letter, McCain simply said: "I certainly wasn't."

During the early primaries, McCain won strong support from Catholic voters. But Hagee threatened to become an issue heading into the general election.

Hagee is no stranger to provocative remarks. On National Public Radio in 2006, he said Hurricane Katrina was God's judgment because "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God." He has written that the feminist movement represents "a rebellion against God's pattern for the family." On Tuesday, the Democratic National Committee said that considering those and other comments McCain still should renounce Hagee's endorsement.

But Donohue said Hagee, by offering his apology now, may have defused a potential problem from the Arizona senator.

"Had this happened after Labor Day I think it would have been an insurmountable problem for McCain to reach out to Catholics," Donohue said. "Now, with this behind him, I think the raised eyebrows in the Catholic community will begin to normalize."

In a statement posted in the Catholic League's Web site, Donohue added: "What Hagee has done takes courage and quite frankly I never expected him to demonstrate such sensitivity to our concerns."

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#1. To: All (#0)

...In a letter to William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights, Hagee wrote: "Out of a desire to advance a greater unity among Catholics and evangelicals in promoting the common good, I want to express my deep regret for any comments that Catholics have found hurtful..."

...Donohue, one of Hagee's sharpest critics, said he accepted the apology and planned to meet with Hagee Thursday in New York.

...In a statement posted in the Catholic League's Web site, Donohue added: "What Hagee has done takes courage and quite frankly I never expected him to demonstrate such sensitivity to our concerns..."

"I got what I wanted," Donohue said in an interview. "He's seen the light, as they like to say. So for me it's over..."

What a load of crap. I cannot believe that this Donahue guy fell for this. People like Hagee don't change their views like that. He's one of those, "if you don't believe in the Bibile as I do then you're going to rot in hell" zealots.

It is obviously a pure political move. It is so obvious that if I were a Catholic I would be highly offended by its audacity.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-13   21:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

if you don't believe in the Bibile as I do then you're going to rot in hell

I believe there really is a hell. How about you.

I don't know what Hagee said about catholics, but I suspect it might be true.

Did you know the catholics changed the 10 commandments. Look them up and compare.

I'll leave it at that for now.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   21:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

In a statement posted in the Catholic League's Web site, Donohue added: "What Hagee has done takes courage and quite frankly I never expected him to demonstrate such sensitivity to our concerns."

I'm still waiting for my reparations check from the Vatican for the 12 years of brutality I experienced in Catholic School.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-13   21:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Old Friend (#2)

I believe there really is a hell. How about you.

I don't know what Hagee said about catholics, but I suspect it might be true.

Did you know the catholics changed the 10 commandments. Look them up and compare.

I'll leave it at that for now.

I really don't care what you or your 50 year old cult think about the catholic cult. You're all full of shit as far as I'm concerned. That wasn't the point of my comment. So go preach your bullshit to someone who cares.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-13   21:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

I'm still waiting for my reparations check from the Vatican for the 12 years of brutality I experienced in Catholic School.

You're missing the point as well. Who gives a shit about the catholic church? Isn't it obvious that Hagee is doing this to help McLame in his presidential bid? The fact that he would change his long standing "beliefs" about catholics in order to help a politician should show everyone what a fraud he is.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-13   21:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Hayek Fan (#5)

Of course, I get you. Hagee is a fraud and actually does believe my wife attends Mass every sunday and is a captive of the great "whore of Babaloney" or some such nonsense. I'm just teasing :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-13   21:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Hayek Fan (#4)

I really don't care what you or your 50 year old cult

What 50 year old cult would that be?

In case you didn't know the Bible is thousands of years old.

If you don't care what people think of something you posted. Perhaps you should not post. Other than that I could care less about what you think. You are just some dude on the internet. Nothing special.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   22:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hayek Fan (#0) (Edited)

William Donohue is to Catholics as Jesse Jackson is to Blacks and like the rapture monkeys are to Hagee ...talk about a collection of lost sheep

PS...Full Discloser: I went to Catholic boarding school up till I served in the military and discovered the Catholic Church was supporting Marxist rebels in Rhodesia my opinion of church turned 180

robnoel  posted on  2008-05-13   22:12:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Old Friend (#7)

What 50 year old cult would that be?

Who knows. You zealots are up to more than 37000 cults, most of which have been invented within the last 50-150 years. Take your pick. Each one of you frauds read the same passages in 37000 different ways and you all claim that everyone else is going to hell because they don't believe the way you do. Fuck you all.

If you don't care what people think of something you posted. Perhaps you should not post.

You didn't comment on my article. You were preaching your own brand of lunacy.

Other than that I could care less about what you think. You are just some dude on the internet. Nothing special.

Right back at cha

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-13   22:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robnoel (#8)

William Donohue is to Catholics as Jesse Jackson is to Blacks and like the rapture monkeys are to Hagee ...talk about a collection of lost sheep

Ahh. I wasn't aware of that, thank you. Well I guess that makes sense then. One fraud apologizing to another fraud.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-13   22:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robnoel (#8)

PS...Full Discloser: I went to Catholic boarding school up till I served in the military and discovered the Catholic Church was supporting Marxist rebels in Rhodesia my opinion of church turned 180

interesting...

christine  posted on  2008-05-13   22:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#11)

They bought into the "oppressed" theology

robnoel  posted on  2008-05-13   22:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Hayek Fan (#9)

Actually I did comment on your article and your comments. I also added the part about the 10 commandments.

I bet you think the founders of this nation and the pilgrims are cultists too.

Oh well we are all entitled to our beliefs. Even if they are wrong.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   23:08:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Hayek Fan (#1)

eople like Hagee don't change their views like that. He's one of those, "if you don't believe in the Bibile as I do then you're going to rot in hell" zealots.

Yep.

Covering for McCain.

BIGBUCKS_BADEYE  posted on  2008-05-13   23:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

The only thing that need be said about Hagee are his own words.

1 John 2:

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

John 4:

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

JOHN HAGEE DENIES THAT CHRIST JESUS IS THE MESSIAH!

threshingfloor.onevoicemm...007/10/hagee-10-03-07.wmv

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-05-13   23:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#15)

JOHN HAGEE DENIES THAT CHRIST JESUS IS THE MESSIAH!

Did Hagee really deny that. I find that hard to believe.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   23:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#15)

Yep you were right. Although I have never agreed with all of Hagees teachings. There have been sermons of his that to the best of my knowledge seemed to be scriptural. My main beef with him has been his rapture stuff. Which I currently believe will happen at the end of the tribulation. I believe the "rapture" is the same as the second coming.

And here is the video of what you mentioned. Thanks for the information

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   23:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#15)

I wonder what his reasoning would be to say such a stupid thing.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   23:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#15)

I just rewatched the video. I don't know. But I wonder if hagees point is that (how can I put this) Jesus was the son of God but that on that trip here he wasn't crowned messiah yet. Maybe I am stretching it. I will have to find out more on the subject. Thanks again for the info.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-13   23:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Old Friend (#18)

I can't speak for him because I don't know his mind. But I do know what he has said more than once and I can't understand why so many times. We all fall short of what HE says we should be but this and some of the other things said by many of the TV Evangelists makes me question if I heard them right.

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2008-05-13   23:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Old Friend (#13)

Oh well we are all entitled to our beliefs. Even if they are wrong.

Yes, yes, I know. Only you and your cult have the truth and everyone but you and those of your cult are going to hell for not interpreting a book like you do. I know the game and I'm not playing. You're interpretation of that book is no more valid or invalid than anyone elses.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-14   7:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Kosher Pig ... goes oink, oink, oink !!!

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-14   8:10:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Hayek Fan (#21)

You are an ignorant person. I pity you.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-14   10:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

"I'm still waiting for my reparations check from the Vatican for the 12 years of brutality I experienced in Catholic School."

"Dominus vobiscum" ;-D


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-14   10:30:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#22)


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-14   10:33:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#24)

Dominus vobiscum

I always thought that meant, "Bend over Davis, your ass is about to get whacked."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-14   10:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

"I always thought that meant, "Bend over Davis, your ass is about to get whacked.""

It does. I remember the nun who told us that when we bathed we should never look at or touch our lower bodies in first grade catechism, and the priest who asked a thirteen year old foolish enough to confess to an auto-erotic act as a sin in the confessional if I ever fondled myself pocket pool style. (His obvious horniness shocked me then, it doesn't now after their scandals along this line.)

I want reparations for having been a tortured Catholic youth too, but I don't think they can afford it as the victims of pedophile priests have raided the holy piggy bank first.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-14   11:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: noone222 (#22) (Edited)

GOP Johnny Doe and Susie Cream Cheese has two daddies.


"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-05-14   11:10:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#27)

I want reparations for having been a tortured Catholic youth too,

Ahh, common ground. Me too ! However, I'm forced to admit that I was never even hit on by a priest !

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation".

Vladimir Lenin

noone222  posted on  2008-05-14   17:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Hayek Fan (#21)

Just curious. Are you a Ron Paul supporter?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-14   18:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#22)

Kosher Pig ... goes oink, oink, oink !!!

About 23/24 years ago I used to listen to this FF putting down women because they were overweight. This porker is a greedy grubby fraud and very skinny too. I'm sure he never missed a meal.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-05-14   18:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Old Friend (#23)

You are an ignorant person. I pity you.

Wow. I'm just downright devastated to hear this. The realization that an anonymous self-righteous nobody pities me just cuts me to the quick.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-15   0:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Old Friend (#30)

Just curious. Are you a Ron Paul supporter?

Yes I am. Or was. My State's primary is over and does not accept write-in candidates in the general election unless specific guidelines are met. Guidlines which the Paul campaign apparently isn;t interested in meeting. So I will vote for Baldwin if the CP is on the ballot. If not I will vote for the LP candidate. Why do you ask?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-15   0:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#22)

Kosher Pig ... goes oink, oink, oink !!!

He is a great leader..... to the buffet at the Golden Corral.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-05-15   0:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Hayek Fan (#33)

Why do you ask?

Oh because Ron Paul says he's a christian too. My views are pretty much in line with his. The catholic comments not witstanding. Just wondering why you would vote for a "cultist".

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-15   0:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Old Friend (#35) (Edited)

Just wondering why you would vote for a "cultist".

Because his political views are in line with my own and I don't give a damn about his religious views.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-15   0:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Hayek Fan (#36)

Because his political views are in line with my own and I don't give a damn about his religious views.

I guess I mischaracterized you. I thought you were an anti religious bigot.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-15   0:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Old Friend (#37)

I guess I mischaracterized you. I thought you were an anti religious bigot.

I am not anti-religious at all. I am an agnostic. I have no patience though when people damn other people to hell or claim that others aren't "real" Christians. With literally more than 37000 groups calling themselves Christians, each with 37000 different interpretations of the same book, no one can claim to have the truth. No one knows the truth.

This is what makes me an agnostic, and to be quit honest, pisses me off. According to Christians, I'm going to be held accountable for not following a set of rules, yet no one can agree to what those rules are. Some say you can drink, some say you can drink but not get drunk, then another group says it's a complete sin to drink at all. One group says you can dance and another group says its a sin and you'll go to hell. These are just two shallow examples of my point, but there are literally hundreds of contradictions like this. Who am I supposed to believe? There's only one truth, not 37000. Yet this so-called God is going to condemn the people who belong to the 36999 groups that do not have it right even though they may be living their lives righteously in accordance to what their group claims is right? What the hell kind of God is is it that allows this to happen or stays silent and watches everyone stumble around in the dark only to condemn them later for stumbling.

I refuse to stumble around injthe dark only to be condemned for it later. I will have nothing to do with it. As far as I can tell, I only have a 1 in 37000+ chance of being correct anyway and am going to rot in hell regardless, so what's the use?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-05-15   1:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

John Hagee, an influential Texas televangelist who endorsed John McCain, apologized to Catholics Tuesday for his stinging criticism of the Roman Catholic Church...........

Hagee is a tool. Apology NOT accepted.

What was I thinking?

WhiteGuy  posted on  2008-05-15   6:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Hayek Fan (#38)

One group says you can dance and another group says its a sin and you'll go to hell.

I will just use this one example to make a small point.

From 2nd Samuel Chapter 6

And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod. 15

So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet. 16

And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.

My intrepretation is David Danced for the Lord. Dancing isn't a sin.

I believe if there is a God (I believe there is). If he had a will for his creation. Then he could preserve it in a book for us. I believe he has done just that with the Bible ( I wont argue about which one at this point I have my opinion). I believe in Gods perfect word. So don't listen to the religious people if they offer stuff up that contradicts the plain clear teachings of the Bible. I hope I worded that good enough. Getting ready to leave for work. Have a good day.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-05-15   7:06:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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