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Title: Obama's formulation is profoundly insulting
Source: Sun-Journal Lewiston, Me
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 18, 2008
Author: Obama
Post Date: 2008-05-18 15:31:58 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 1661
Comments: 79

Obama's formulation is profoundly insulting

From:
Sun-Journal Lewiston, Me.
Date:
April 17, 2008
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obama and liberalism and socialism

Barack Obama was caught saying something he believes.

At a San Francisco fundraiser, away from the prying eyes of the press, Obama reflected on why small-town voters in Pennsylvania and the Midwest seem resistant to his appeal. He said those areas had lost jobs for 25 years. Therefore, people "get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti- immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Obama has apologized for his phrasing while defending the substance of his statement. And why not? He was retailing an article of left-wing orthodoxy going back centuries: that the working class is distracted by religion and other peripheral concerns from focusing on its economic interests and embracing socialism.

Versions of Obama's insight have been expounded by a world- famous 19th-century economist (Karl Marx), by a 1960s New Left philosopher (Herbert Marcuse) and by a best-selling contemporary liberal writer (Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter With Kansas?"), among many others. It's such a commonplace that Bubba- friendly Bill Clinton wrote in his memoir that Republicans wanted to undermine confidence in government so voters would be more receptive to "their strategy of waging campaigns on divisive social and cultural issues like abortion, gay rights, and guns."

At bottom, this is a profoundly insulting point of view. Consider Obama's formulation. He makes it sound like no one would be a hunter or a Christian absent economic distress, that economic circumstances drive people into such atavistic habits. Has he considered that some people simply enjoy hunting? And view the right to bear arms as a guarantor of American liberty? As they used to say, "God made men, but Sam Colt made them equal."

The assumption is that only liberal attitudes are normal and well- adjusted: If only these small-town people could earn more income, get an advanced degree and move to a major metropolitan area, they could shed their chrysalis of social conservatism.

Obama prides himself on his civility, but it has to go much deeper than dulcet rhetoric. A fundamental courtesy of political debate is to meet the other side on its own terms. If someone says he cares about gun rights, it's rude to insist: "No, you don't. It's the minimum wage that you really care about, and you'd know it if you were more self-aware." But Democrats have an uncontrollable reflex to do just that. Since the McGovernite takeover of their party, they have struggled to work up enthusiasm for Middle American mores. (Since 1980, only Bill Clinton managed it, which is why he was the only Democrat elected president in three decades.)

When the liberal reflex is coupled with a Ivy League-educated candidate who seems personally remote and uncomfortable with everyday American activities, it's electoral poison. After the likes of Al Gore and John Kerry, Republicans had to be wondering, "Could Democrats possibly nominate yet another candidate easily portrayed as an out-of-touch elitist?" With Obama, Democrats appear to be responding with a resounding "Yes, we can!"

Obama brings a special measure of arrogance to the standard liberal critique of Middle America. His candidacy has always been characterized by two paradoxes. How can he be so hopeful at the same time he and his wife, Michelle, portray America as a sink-pit of despair? And how can he claim to be a uniter when he's an orthodox liberal who has risked little or nothing for bipartisan outreach?

Now, we know. Obama defines hopefulness as liberalism, specifically liberalism as embodied by himself. Only with Obama's election will America be redeemed from its harrowing false consciousness. We will be unified, not by Obama reaching out to conservatives to hammer out compromises, but by conservatives shedding their bitterness and becoming Obama liberals.

This is the underside of hope: arrogance fading into a secular messianism based on the fallenness of everyone who disagrees with Barack Obama. And it's small-town voters who are deluded?Rich Lowry is a syndicated columnist. He can be reached via e-mail at:


Poster Comment:

Versions of Obama's insight have been expounded by a world- famous 19th-century economist (Karl Marx), by a 1960s New Left philosopher (Herbert Marcuse) and by a best-selling contemporary liberal writer (Thomas Frank, author of "What's the Matter With Kansas?"), among many others. It's such a commonplace that Bubba- friendly Bill Clinton wrote in his memoir that Republicans wanted to undermine confidence in government so voters would be more receptive to "their strategy of waging campaigns on divisive social and cultural issues like abortion, gay rights, and guns." (1 image)

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Why don't you provide the source in the form of a URL? Is it secret?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   16:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

HighBeam research, dude. No url available; I've already told you this but it obviously hasn't set in yet.....

Spring for the annual fee before Obama confiscates your coin and redistributes it to the needy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, RICKYJ (#0) (Edited)

This is good hit to the disingenuous marxist fuck who is "obama." This elitist POS makes me want to puke.

"Hang on there darlin'/sugar pie/cutey/fill in the blank... we'll get to that in a minute" as he addresses a female news reporter and walks away from her question.

I'm sure there's more than a few boys down South that weren't too upset until this clown insulted religion (Christians), whites, and the 2nd Amendment.

Obama: The candidate of the metrosexual Marxist.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-05-18   16:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: IndieTX (#3)

He was retailing an article of left-wing orthodoxy going back centuries: that the working class is distracted by religion and other peripheral concerns from focusing on its economic interests and embracing socialism

IndieTX, the above is all one needs to take away from this article to reach the conclusion that LIBERALISM = SOCIALISM. These wormy, feel good redistributionists who infest this forum have no argument except the usual name calling. And that weak argument convinces me we American Firsters have NEVER been more correct. Stand fast; let them come and make their noise. They'll be promptly bitch slapped and sent home.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

So you're using some 'search engine' that spits out some impossible to verify output? What kind of crap is this?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   16:28:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: IndieTX (#3)

LOL :)))

So, Obama not only did he say 'bitter', he also said (FLIPPY-FLOPPER!!!) 'sweetie'.

Guilty on all counts!

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   16:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#5)

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:37:01 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#5)

So you're using some 'search engine' that spits out some impossible to verify output? What kind of crap is this?

Pony up tight ass, what are you waiting for ?

Karl Obama to buy you a subscription ?

Everything I can verify says that you have your lips locked on the World Communist-McHillOturd-One World Monopolists' johnson...


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:37:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7) (Edited)

Are you calling my wife a 'mail order bride'? Shame on you!!

Oh, I forgot. Any search engine that spits out web stuff without URL's is a crappy search engine. The boring, 10-times regurgitated piece that you posted doesn't even identify an author. Or... did it just emerge via spontaneous generation?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   16:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FOH (#8)

Pony up tight ass, what are you waiting for ?

It's $129 a year and this tight ass needs to car pool to work, so Google is his only option.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

Are you calling my wife a 'mail order bride'?

I wouldn't call HIM mail order, no......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IndieTX, Jethro Tull, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Cynicom, Peppa, buckeye, christine, Hayek Fan, ALL, *North American Union* (#3)

Obama: The candidate of the metrosexual Marxist.

Very accurate indeed.

A plague on our nation that should have been rooted out long ago.

McCarthy (Tailgunner Joe) was 100% correct:


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:42:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull, a vast eff wad (#10)

It's $129 a year and this tight ass needs to car pool to work, so Google is his only option.

At a buck a blowjob this eff could get there in a couple days...


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull, IndieTX (#4)

IndieTX, the above is all one needs to take away from this article to reach the conclusion that LIBERALISM = SOCIALISM. These wormy, feel good redistributionists who infest this forum have no argument except the usual name calling. And that weak argument convinces me we American Firsters have NEVER been more correct. Stand fast; let them come and make their noise. They'll be promptly bitch slapped and sent home.

That needs a bump


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Oh... poor little Bozo you are. Can't defend your 'views' without degrading the level of conversation to stupid and nonsensical invectives - like your other buddy on this thread who hates Obama because he said 'sweetie' :))). Well... that's your level and it's the level you're at and you can't get much higher.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   16:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)

Buy the service, doc :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: IndieTX (#3)

I'm sure there are more than a few boys down South that weren't too upset until this clown insulted religion (Christians), whites, and the 2nd Amendment.

I would like to differ ever so slightly – I know a few boys down South, who, at the first tentative mention of Obama’s quest to be the CiC were “upset” enough to proclaim: “Over our dead bodies!”

The South shall rise again! At general election time, I pray.

karelian  posted on  2008-05-18   16:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Buy the service, doc :P

You would think the peckerwood should have said "Thanks!" for a free peak at a subscription service...


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#11) (Edited)

Are you calling my wife a 'mail order bride'?

I wouldn't call HIM mail order, no......

See what's happening? You posted some stupid piece of nonsense unreferenced and with no author and now you find yourself completely incapable to defend your activities and are showing yourself for the dirty asshole that you are.

And if you are paying $129 for that crappy engine well... have you heard of those Nigerian treasures, waiting for someone like you to pick?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   16:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: FOH (#18)

You would think the peckerwood should have said "Thanks!" for a free peak at a subscription service...

I've come to learn that the Os do not appreciate research that sheds their god in anything less than flattering terms. They're intellectually, morally, and politically bankrupt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   16:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

They're intellectually, morally, and politically bankrupt.

As is our Republic...living (barely) on reserves.

PS peek/peak tomato/tomatoe lolol


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#19)

And if you are paying $129 for that crappy engine well... have you heard of those Nigerian treasures, waiting for someone like you to pick?

Racist !


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   16:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: ALL (#12)

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In standard histories of the so-called "Red Scare" of the 1950s, Sen. Joe McCarthy (R-Wis.) is depicted as a lying bully who falsely named helpless victims in the U.S. State Department and other government bureaus as Communists or Soviet agents. Lying and baseless charges of subversion were the supposed essence of McCarthy's method. History has judged him such a loathsome figure that to this day, some fifty years after the Army-McCarthy hearings, people hurl the term "McCarthyism" to attack any perceived witch-hunt. But now, in Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy, veteran journalist M. Stanton Evans shows not only that this portrayal of McCarthy and his cases is mistaken -- but that virtually everything else that we've been told about McCarthy and his "era" is false.

Evans has spent more than a decade researching this book - poring over vast amounts of data that were unknown to the American public in the 1950s and that corroborate the case McCarthy was making then. Indeed, many of those people McCarthy named as Communists show up in the official records that were suppressed at the time -- and yet most of these individuals are still regarded as McCarthy's victims. And, while McCarthy is often accused of being a liar, Blacklisted by History exposes how the senator's opponents were covering up or even actively falsifying the factual record, and in some cases lying to the public.

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A groundbreaking book based on exhaustive research, Blacklisted by History is much more than a look at the McCarthy era -- it is revealing investigation into how our view of history can so often be distorted.


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   17:00:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, FOH, all (#19)

HERE

I Googled the headline and came up with your precious URL. My service simply doesn't give them to me, but nevertheless, the validity is dead on.

You CAN'T be a PhD....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   17:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

You CAN'T be a PhD....

Communist moles, all of them.

Don't believe a word they say.

I'd rather wring their necks than look at them, but that's just me...HEHEHEH


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   17:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Aha, so you were ashamed to let everyone know who the author of this crap was - Rich Lowry of the National Review and the Foxcrap News. Why did you hide it?

From the free Wikipedia: Lowry was born in Arlington, Virginia. He regularly appears on the Fox News Channel. He has guest-hosted on Hannity and Colmes on Fox & Friends, and is a guest panelist on Fox News Watch.

I guess I was correct when I stated that the crap was 10-times regurgitated.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

We will be unified, not by Obama reaching out to conservatives to hammer out compromises, but by conservatives shedding their bitterness and becoming Obama liberals.

Look at the 'laws' that the quislings in D.C. have passed the last few years...back to George HW-NWO Bush.

They know we're close to moving very swiftly against them.

It won't be pretty.

God help us.


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   17:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#26)

Aha, so you were ashamed to let everyone know who the author of this crap was - Rich Lowry of the National Review and the Foxcrap News. Why did you hide it?

From the free Wikipedia: Lowry was born in Arlington, Virginia. He regularly appears on the Fox News Channel. He has guest-hosted on Hannity and Colmes on Fox & Friends, and is a guest panelist on Fox News Watch.

I guess I was correct when I stated that the crap was 10-times regurgitated.

Throw out Judge Andrew Napolitano then too, right Traitorous Marxist pig ?


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   17:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FOH (#25)

Don't believe a word they say.

You know what? They are leftist rats and were here to infest, disrupt and destroy.

Well, eff them, MISSION NOT ACCOMPLISHED.

Socialism can not be defended on a free speech forum.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   17:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Oh, and I never stated that I was a PhD. I could not overcome the disgust and join the commie party, which was a precondition for a PhD candidacy at that place and time so... I guess I'll die with just a graduate certificate.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:13:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#30)

A graduate degree in what, denial?

I gave you the URL you bitched about, so a thank-you, I was wrong is in order.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   17:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

LOL - I just stumbled upon a nice picture of the boy genius whose article you posted at the top of this thread.

He looks... genuine, doesn't he?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:16:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#30)

Oh, and I never stated that I was a PhD. I could not overcome the disgust and join the commie party, which was a precondition for a PhD candidacy at that place and time so... I guess I'll die with just a graduate certificate.

You much prefer Amerika's OWM-World Socialism to your native Communism, so now you're here supporting an elitist racist Establishment-Marxist crack/cock smoker.

Yeah, we all understand you really well.


FOH  posted on  2008-05-18   17:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#30)

I was a PhD. I could not overcome the disgust and join the commie party,

Being an Obama-bot makes you a leftist supporter, ergo, a socialist. Not to mention a piss poor researcher.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   17:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

You were wrong alright. We just got a glimpse at the level of dishonesty with which you are attempted to manipulate the millions of innocent readers who visit this site.

To post crap written by a Hannity and Colmes and Fox and Friends and National Review contributor and HIDE IT???? It's unforgivable, my friend. But I caught you and your dishonesty has been fully exposed now.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:19:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32)

So a photo-shopped pic is your rebuttal to an article you denied existed?

Hilarious :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   17:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

Oh, the guy exists alright. And so does crap. They are both inevitable.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:23:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#35)

Hide what?

High Beam doesn't give URLs.

Subscribe and prove me wrong.

While you're at it, prove the NR material wrong.

Or do White Guilters prefer a world of lies?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-18   17:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#38) (Edited)

So you paid $129 for crap. Then, you misled everybody by posting a thread were 'Obama', not Rich Lowry was listed as Author, today's date was entered for an an article that's more than one month old, provided no verifiable reference and NEVER indicated that the author was associated with the National Review and the Fox News.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:26:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#39)

why are you going after the messenger rather than debating the merits of what the author had to say? if you think what the author wrote is crap, then say why you think it's crap.

christine  posted on  2008-05-18   17:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine (#40)

Did you look at the top of the thread? I absolutely wish to know where (and when) the article came from.

See the exchange:

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Why don't you provide the source in the form of a URL? Is it secret?

a vast rightwing conspirator posted on 2008-05-18 16:10:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Edit #2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)

HighBeam research, dude. No url available; I've already told you this but it obviously hasn't set in yet.....

Spring for the annual fee before Obama confiscates your coin and redistributes it to the needy. __________________________________

Dr. JT seems to be hiding something. The content, by the way, is pretty pedestrian. Nothing to talk about. Yes, some people who lose their jobs get bitter. Some go on shooting sprees. No news there.

The news was that Dr. JR is peddling some worthless article and he seems to be hiding the identity of the source - a Fox News and National Review contributor. When he is politely asked to reveal the source of the text, he gets a bit nervous.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-18   17:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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