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Title: Economic Collapse in September?
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URL Source: http://news.goldseek.com/ClifDroke/1211138541.php
Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Clif Droke
Post Date: 2008-05-19 07:10:18 by Kamala
Keywords: None
Views: 377
Comments: 22

Economic Collapse in September?

By: Clif Droke, Gold Strategies Review

-- Posted Sunday, 18 May 2008 | Digg This Article | Source: GoldSeek.com

A rumor is swirling around the Internet that an inglorious end to the U.S. economy is imminent. Unlike previous rumors to this effect, this one carries the weight of recent events in the financial realm and has many believing the rumor will come to pass.

Let’s examine some of the claims being made: On March 18, 2008, a “closed door” session of Congress was held for only the fourth time in history. According to House Rule XVII, clause 9, it is forbidden for members of the U.S. House of Representatives to reveal the discussions held behind those doors. The penalty for leaking such information includes loss of seniority, fines, reprimand, censure or expulsion. According to news sources, one purpose of the meetings was to discuss new surveillance techniques to be used by U.S. Homeland Security. Rumors continue to swirl as to what the other topics of discussion took place in that meeting.

According to the Australia.TO newspaper, as reported in the May 2008 Last Trumpet Newsletter (LTM), several congressmen were so incensed about what was discussed behind those doors that they were compelled to leak the contents of the meeting. Following is what is rumored to have been discussed: Imminent collapse of the U.S. economy by September 2008; imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances by February 2009; possibility of civil war within the U.S. resulting from the collapse; detainment of “insurgent U.S. citizens” in anticipation of their moving against the government; the potential for violent action taken by citizens against members of Congress due to the collapses; the merger of the U.S. economy with those of Canada and Mexico as a solution to the collapse; the introduction of a new tri-national currency called the “AMERO” as another economic solution.

Needless to say, that’s a lot of information to process. Unfortunately none of it can be verified and it essentially falls under the category of rumor and as such must be treated as suspect. It brings to mind another rumor that had the Internet community abuzz last September regarding the so-called “Bin Laden options trade.” You may recall the rumors that circulated across many Internet sites in Sept. 2007. The rumors concerned an unknown trader(s) placing options bets on the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones Eurostoxx50 index that wouldn’t pay off unless a 25%+ crash occurred by options expiration that same month. These high-profile “mystery” trades were used by several independent and mainstream media outlets to conjure up images of another 9/11-type terrorist episode.

The end result was that the stock market rallied sharply shortly after the stories appeared and several indices made new all-time highs in October. The terrorist event that was conjured up by the options trade never came to pass.

Now before you dismiss me as a Pollyanna, let me say that there does ring a certain measure of truth to the rumor concerning an economic collapse. There wouldn’t be as much fear generated over the headlines, nor would they be as widely circulated as they have been, if there wasn’t. The fact that many people even consider these stories as being potentially true is revealing of the mindset of Americans today: they are nervous about the economy, scared over high oil and gas prices and none too happy over the housing price deflation. So we can imagine how easily someone might be swayed by a rumor of this magnitude. More than anything else, the rumors of an imminent financial and economic collapse are symptomatic of a wounded mass psyche.

The next consideration is that even if the substance of the rumor is untrue (to say nothing of the projected timeline), the fact that many are inclined to believe it doesn’t reflect well, nor does it bode well, for the government. When rumors like this one begin to spread, and are believed even in part, it is a vote of no confidence for the government and monetary authorities. While such problems can be remedied with short term solutions, the longer term implications are disturbing and are much harder to remedy.

The Fed may well have dodged the bullet this time but in so doing it has created for itself a new set of difficulties down the road. Those challenges can only be viewed properly through the lens of the long-term Kress cycles. Quoting Machiavelli, “It is in the nature of things that you can never escape one setback without running into another.”

In the here and now, consumers are feeling the weight of high gas and food prices. An article appeared in the May 14 edition of the Washington Post bearing the headline: “Burdened by the weight of inflation, standards of living are challenged.” The article reported the results of a Washington Post/ABC News poll which surveyed households across the socio-economic spectrum.

The poll found that nearly 7 in 10 are concerned with their ability to keep up their lifestyles high. Moreover, those expressing concern are not only from the lower and middle classes but also from upper income levels. The results showed a significant spike in just the last five months when a previous poll was taken. The Post reported that anxiety over the economy is at its highest level since 1981.

The poll found that 40% of respondents are “somewhat worried” about their standard of living, compared to 34% in December 2007. Of those saying they are “very worried”, the number is 28% compared to 17% in December. The combined totals for these worried responses equals 51% in December compared to 68% today.

Among other findings of the poll is that the top five economic worries among consumers are:

Inflation

Gasoline

Healthcare costs

Taxes

Jobs

The Post also asked respondents to give their reasons why they think oil and gas prices are as high as they are today. The top responses were:

Greed/profit motive of the oil companies

Iraq war

George Bush

With nationwide gas prices hovering precariously close to $4.00/gallon, the poll found that many respondents had already cut back on their driving habits and were more inclined to use public transportation. Of those who haven’t cut back on their driving, the poll asked what the gas price would have to be to make them drive less. The average response was $5.65/gallon.

How have the authorities responded to the problems that Americans are now facing? The Congresses’ response to the economic malaise has been the approval of a “tax relief” bill which provides a few paltry hundreds for the purpose of stimulating the retail economy. But will this measure succeed in winning a vote of confidence from the people?

Let’s turn once again to the wisdom of the one of Machiavelli for the answer. Machiavelli, in his Discourses on Livy, wrote that “no ruler should…wait for dangerous times in order to win over the populace.” He stated further that “in the eyes of the populace, it will not be that ruler who grants them their new benefits, but his enemy, and they will have every reason to fear that once the adversity has passed, their ruler will take back what he was forced to give. Consequently, the populace will not feel bound to him in any way.”

Since the announcement that $600 checks would be mailed to taxpayers in the form of “relief”, we’ve heard nothing but criticism from the taxpayers. The remarks range from, “Bush is borrowing the money from Red China,” to “we’ll have to pay it all back in next year’s taxes,” to “$600 won’t cover my expenses for even a month!”

As Machiavelli informs us in his Discourses, a government “must try to foresee what adversity might befall it, and that a government “which acts otherwise…and then believes that during perilous times it can win back the populace with benefits is deceiving itself. Not only will [it] not win over the populace, but it will bring about its own ruin.”

To this end, an article appearing in the May 14 edition of the Financial Times addressed the evolving monetary policy of the Federal Reserve in dealing with asset “bubbles.” The old-line method employed by former Fed Chief Greenspan was to wait for the bubble to burst, then belatedly attack the problem. Of this unwise policy we have only to consult Machiavelli…or simply look at the results of Greenspan’s many policy blunders in recent years.

In the wake of the latest blunders, the Bernanke-led Fed is examining the role the Fed should play in lancing asset price bubbles before they burst. How successful the Fed will be in implementing its new strategy remains to be seen. With time running out on the 120-year cycle clock, the economic winds are not against their back as was the case in the 1990s.

To that end, beginning sometime around the summer of 2009, we’ll be entering a period that not a single one of us has ever experienced before. The last of the Kress long-term cycles peaks at that time, namely the 10-year cycle. From that point until 2014 there won’t be any yearly cycle of long-term consequence in the ascending phase, a configuration that hasn’t been seen since the 1890s. The 120-year Master Cycle will be in its final “hard down” phase and the government along with the monetary authorities will be confronted with many challenges and obstacles.

It’s very easy, though, to get wrapped up in the fear that anticipating this coming event will bring. Fear is paralyzing and causes us to miss opportunities we might otherwise recognize were we not under its grip. As Jesus said, “Sufficient until the day is the evil thereof.” Let’s not get caught in the trap of constantly fearing the problems of the years to come when we have today to concern ourselves with.

Let’s turn now to the present stock market outlook. In my April 24 commentary entitled, “At last, good news is on the way!”, I pointed out that “beneath the surface of this stock market, things are improving more and more each week. It won’t be long now before eventually those individual stock prices start moving higher in response to the market’s internal improvement.” This statement was a reference to the dramatic improvement in the stock market’s internal momentum indicators, which show the 30-day, 90-day and 120-day internal rate of change for the NYSE broad market. These indicators are in turn reflections of the dominant interim cycles.

Since then the stock market has been in recovery mode with the S&P 400 Mid-cap index (MID) showing the most impressive rally of the major indices. Take a look at the progression of the mid-cap stocks since the March price bottom. The Mid-cap index is now at a high for the year and has completely recovered the damage inflicted by the sell-off in December-January. Besides being a good barometer of the corporate outlook, the MID is also a good leading indicator for the S&P 500.

The stock market continues its upward bias in spite of a lack of broad participation from sidelined investors. The rally up until now has been of the “phantom” variety in the sense that few have participated in it. Billions of dollars in cash remains in low-yielding money market and other “safe haven” funds as the crowd demands more proof of recovery before jumping back into the stock market. This speaks to the paralyzing fear that has many investors in its grip. By looking at the cycles, however, we don’t have to be controlled by fear. Instead, we can put fear aside and take advantage of the opportunities the market hands to us along the way in this once-in-a-lifetime adventure on the road to the 120-year cycle.

Clif Droke is the editor of the three times weekly Momentum Strategies Report newsletter, published since 1997, which covers U.S. equity markets and various stock sectors, natural resources, money supply and bank credit trends, the dollar and the U.S. economy. The forecasts are made using a unique proprietary blend of analytical methods involving internal momentum and moving average systems, as well as securities lending trends. He is also the author of numerous books, including "How to Read Chart Patterns for Greater Profits." For more information visit www.clifdroke.com

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#1. To: Kamala (#0)

According to House Rule XVII, clause 9, it is forbidden for members of the U.S. House of Representatives to reveal the discussions held behind those doors. The penalty for leaking such information includes loss of seniority, fines, reprimand, censure or expulsion.

I dont know anything about Kress cycles, 120 yr cycles, etc. So I will spare you my ignorance on that.

But, what is the point of keeping silent on that closed door session if the economy is going to crash anyway? Will the penalties for breaking that rule really matter?

If I was a congresscritter, I'd spill the beans and I wouldn't think twice about it.

Was Ron Paul there??? Enquiring minds want to know.

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PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   9:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#1)

Was Ron Paul there??? Enquiring minds want to know.

I was wondering the same. Anybody here know?

CadetD  posted on  2008-05-19   9:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Kamala (#0)

On March 18, 2008, a “closed door” session of Congress was held for only the fourth time in history. According to House Rule XVII, clause 9, it is forbidden for members of the U.S. House of Representatives to reveal the discussions held behind those doors. The penalty for leaking such information includes loss of seniority, fines, reprimand, censure or expulsion. According to news sources, one purpose of the meetings was to discuss new surveillance techniques to be used by U.S. Homeland Security. Rumors continue to swirl as to what the other topics of discussion took place in that meeting.

According to the Australia.TO newspaper, as reported in the May 2008 Last Trumpet Newsletter (LTM), several congressmen were so incensed about what was discussed behind those doors that they were compelled to leak the contents of the meeting. Following is what is rumored to have been discussed: Imminent collapse of the U.S. economy by September 2008; imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances by February 2009; possibility of civil war within the U.S. resulting from the collapse; detainment of “insurgent U.S. citizens” in anticipation of their moving against the government; the potential for violent action taken by citizens against members of Congress due to the collapses; the merger of the U.S. economy with those of Canada and Mexico as a solution to the collapse; the introduction of a new tri-national currency called the “AMERO” as another economic solution.

add this one:

U.S. Army Gearing Up For Something ... Big? [ Post 296222578 ]

Source: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk

Published: May 7, 2008

U.S. Army Gearing Up For Something ... Big?

Received 33; Wednesday May 7, 2008

This afternoon, I received a call from my niece in Texas. Her husband is in the service. They live near the base in an area where many other families in the service live. Yesterday, she received a visit from some kind of army personnel, as well as many of her girlfriends who also have husbands serving. From what I understand, this is what took place. She was given several locations as well as dates and times to show up for "commodities", as well as a location on base they were required to show up today. She said the area on base they were told to go to, she was familiar with, only this time, there were large tents set up, one of which they were told to go to. She told me her fears were she would be told her husband was going to be sent overseas, however this wasn't the case.

She said they were told that they would be taken care of, and to begin to stock up on non perishables. They were given a voucher for what she stated were "large sacks" of beans, rice and other "non perishables". Also informed that generators would be provided. Times and dates to pick up these commodities. They were also handed out some kind of contract that the "spouses" of personal were required to sign. It stated they were not at liberty to share this information with civilians. Her and several others when asking about what is going on, they were told the Army takes care of their own. This took place in Texas. Anyone with any info please post.

www.libertyforum.org/show...=&vc=1&t=-1#Post296222578

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8562

"The requested article could not be found." [Although both numbers before and after WERE found.]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   11:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, All (#3)

OK, lets get it over with. I am not getting any younger and I probably wont get much older...

Amazing how that LF thread got derailed into talking about helicopters.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   11:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PSUSA (#4)

lol.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   11:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Kamala, PSUSA (#0) (Edited)

Following is what is rumored to have been discussed: Imminent collapse of the U.S. economy by September 2008; imminent collapse of the U.S. Government finances by February 2009; possibility of civil war within the U.S. resulting from the collapse; detainment of “insurgent U.S. citizens” in anticipation of their moving against the government; the potential for violent action taken by citizens against members of Congress due to the collapses; the merger of the U.S. economy with those of Canada and Mexico as a solution to the collapse; the introduction of a new tri-national currency called the “AMERO” as another economic solution.

timing could dovetail nicely with the Zionist end-game:

...."Yom Kippur (Hebrew:•7;•3;’5;–1; •9;’0;’8;–8;’8;•3;’8;—2; , IPA: [ÈjTm kiÈpur]), also known in English as the Day of Atonement, is the most solemn and important of the Jewish holidays. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews have traditionally observed this holiday with a 24-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer.

Date

Yom Kippur is the climax of the Yamim Noraim ("Days of Awe"), and with Rosh Hashanah forms the Jewish High Holy Days. In accordance with Leviticus 23:27 the date of Yom Kippur is the 10 Tishrei ("the tenth day of the seventh month") in the Hebrew calendar.

[ATKHWDI note: most wars advantageous to the Jews "coincidentally" fall on or around Jewish "Holy" Days. (Do search "a time of our choosing", http://sweetliberty.org). The Shekinah, the "glory-cloud" around the Star of David on the US GREAT SEAL, is pronounced "Shock-n-Awe". The Jews celebrated Rosh Hashanah the week after the slaughter/ritual sacrifice of 911 was out of the way. see: THE GOG AND MAGOG WAR http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...gi?ArtNum=79475 and the September 11th Attack on the United States freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=79470 . They called this the beginning of the Gog and Magog War, wherein they say Israel's sin was transferred to the evil Esau/Edom, whom Judaism says is CHRISTIANITY. ......]......

[....Date 10th day of Tishrei

2008 date Sunset, October 8 – nightfall, October 9

2009 date Sunset, September 27 – nightfall, September 28 ]

....Eve of Yom Kippur

See also: Kol Nidre

Erev Yom Kippur ( lit. yom kippur eve) is the day before the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. It falls on the ninth day of the Hebrew month of Tishrei. The day is commemorated with a festive meal, giving of charity, and visiting others to seek or give forgiveness.[1]

Before sunset on the eve of Yom Kippur ("Day of Atonement"), the congregation gathers in the synagogue. The Ark is opened and two people take from it two Torah scrolls. Then they take their places, one on each side of the cantor, and the three recite:

In the tribunal of Heaven and the tribunal of earth, by the permission of God—praised be He—and by the permission of this holy congregation, we hold it lawful to pray with transgressors."

The cantor then chants the Kol Nidre prayer (Hebrew: •9;–0; –4;•1;—2;•7;) in Aramaic, not Hebrew. Its name is taken from the opening words, meaning "All vows":

All personal vows we are likely to make, all personal oaths and pledges we are likely to take between this Yom Kippur and the next Yom Kippur, we publicly renounce. Let them all be relinquished and abandoned, null and void, neither firm nor established. Let our personal vows, pledges and oaths be considered neither vows nor pledges nor oaths.[2]......."

[ Thus are all the Jews in CorpUSA absolved of their oaths to the Constitution and the American people.] ...... UNITED STATES AFRICA COMMAND (AFRICOM) http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=80442&Disp=12#C12

Jesus' b'day is September 11. Here's hoping he throws a big b'day bash....hey, that would end 7 years of 'tribulation'!

===============

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   11:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

The Shekinah, the "glory-cloud" around the Star of David on the US GREAT SEAL, is pronounced "Shock-n-Awe".

Off topic:

Can you back that up? The ones I have seen pronounce it Sha-kee'-nah. I thought it was sha-kie'-nah

back to topic.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   12:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Kamala, *CAFR*, *Agriculture-Environment*, *9-11*, *Bible facts*, *Big Pharma* (#0)

A rumor is swirling around the Internet that an inglorious end to the U.S. economy is imminent. Unlike previous rumors to this effect, this one carries the weight of recent events in the financial realm and has many believing the rumor will come to pass.

Excellent post, until they start talking about opportunities in the stock market!

The above I think is right on target, although my own timeline is slightly different; Noverber/December, after the elections. The wise should be aware, and plan accordingly. But few will. Old habits die hard.... but they DO die.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-05-19   12:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PSUSA (#7) (Edited)

The Shekinah, the "glory-cloud" around the Star of David on the US GREAT SEAL, is pronounced "Shock-n-Awe".

Off topic:

Can you back that up? The ones I have seen pronounce it Sha-kee'-nah. I thought it was sha-kie'-nah

Well, that's a fair question.

First of all, I remember reading it at Carol Valentine's site. She said someone had told her that [maybe it was Joe Vialls]:

America's New Government Church. It's time to meet the Shechinah, the female emanation of God (some say Her name is pronounced "Shock 'N Awe"). Rabbi Boteach introduces Her in Judaism for ... www.come-and-hear.com/editor/america_1.html

116746355173638183 - HaloScan.com - Comments for andy8 Rowan Berkeley: You remember Joe Vialls' theory, that "shock'n'awe" was really a phonetic rendering of "shekhinah"? Joe also thought the chevrons on the ... www.haloscan.com/comments/andy8/116746355173638183/

Israel Plans Blitzkrieg to Capture Arab Oil Fields Operation Shekhinah, Part One Joe Vialls, 30 January 2002

www.geocities.com/operationshekhinah/one.html

Fortress Americas, Part 2 "Yisraelim Prepare for the Invasion of America". Copyright Joe Vialls, 22 January 2004

'.....In order to take the Americas at all, the Zionist cabal needed massive combat oil supplies far in excess of those already existing in north and south America, meaning that plans had to be revised to include conquest of the Middle East oilfields first. It was precisely this requirement that later spawned Operation Shekhinah and Operation Iraqi Freedom, though we do not need to examine either of those latter plans here. Both have been reported on extensively by the author, and links to each can be found at the bottom of this page.....' joevialls.altermedia.info/fortress2.html

I checked my big Webster Dictionary, and one of the pronounciations goes like this:

Heb. sh[upside-down e] KHE[line over the e] n[a with two dots over the a], accent on the last syllable.

upside-down e =

a as in alone
e as in system
i as in easily
o as in gallop
u as in circus

two dots over the a = ah

It looks like it could be pronounced shah kee nah....said quickly, Schock N Awe...no?

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edit: oh wait, i just looked again, and noticed the above pronounciatian was for the SEPHARDIC Hebrew. That was followed by the ASHKENAZI Hebrew, which is the same pronounciation, except that the accent is on the SECOND syllable.

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"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   13:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Kamala (#0)

Thanks Mark

bump


FOH  posted on  2008-05-19   13:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#8)

The stock market.

LOLOL

I agree with you.


FOH  posted on  2008-05-19   13:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

It's similar, I suppose, but it's stretching things. He doesn't help his case by equating the chevrons displayed on tanks with occultic references to the star of "david".

The zionists are bad enough without Vialls having to make things up. Some people see symbolism in everything. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Back to topic.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   14:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#12)

off-topic.

wow...you actually took the time to look that up? i gave up when i saw how long the thread was. i think i remember something about him talking about the chevrons. that one went completely over me. are you familiar with Vialls? i don't think there is much that he 'made up'. i think he has proved to be pretty 'prescient', although some people have accused him of being 'one of them'. whatever, imo, he had a good handle on what was happening on the zionist front.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   14:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)

ctrl-f is a Godsend. Believe me, I am not _that_ studious ;)

I heard of him. IIRC he had a website that didnt last too long. If it is the one I am thinking of, the site was never really completed.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   14:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PSUSA (#14)

ctrl-f? well, learn something new every day....i'll have to try it. i am so computer illiterate.

www.vialls.com/

he died, but accomplished much in the time he had, and gave the ptb a run for their money

The Truth Seeker - Joe Vialls Passed Away Today Jul 18, 2005 ... With profound regret this website has received word that one of the great figures of Internet journalism, Joe Vialls, has passed away. www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3361

The Truth Seeker - Joe Vialls The late, great, Joe Vialls one of the pioneers of independent, Internet journalism ... Joe Vialls Banned By Yahoo Plus the Murder of Nicholas Berg ... www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/columnist.asp?ID=3

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"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   14:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: richard9151 (#8)

Hey, where have you been? I was getting ready to pm you.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-05-19   15:46:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA (#15)

off-topic, PSUSA or anyone....

is it just me or does a weird thing happen with this link?

"Missing" Pentagon Attack Jet Found - Flt 77 in Death Dive

www.vialls.com/pentagon/pentagon2.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   17:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

I got a 404 error. Page not found.

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   17:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

www.vialls.com/pentagon/pen tagon2.html That one works. Yours has "htm" it should be "html"

policestateusa.net/

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-19   17:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA (#18)

I got a 404 error. Page not found.

thanks....mine almost completely loaded....and THEN the page disappeared and i got the 404 error....and i tried it twice...same thing both times. weird.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   18:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#19)

oh. you're right. "conspiracy" laid to rest. thank you.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-19   18:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Kamala (#16)

Hey, where have you been?

Computer crashed.... big time. Lost the entire hard drive, so doing without for now. Gots lots of work anyway. LOL!! Not as much fun as this, but probably got to pay for a new puter, so work is good right now!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.

richard9151  posted on  2008-05-20   19:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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