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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
Source: Rockwell
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 1917
Comments: 154

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-19   9:48:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain.

There is a difference, in asmuch as there's a big difference between having a Marxist and having a Fascist in power.

I don't say Marxist or Fascist just to call people names either. McCain's advocacy of endless war could have come from the mouth of Mussolini, and Obama's proposal of a global welfare tax sounds like something out of the Marx/Engels Communist Manifesto.

Is there a difference between a Marxist and a Fascist? Definitely. Does it mean that I'll be voting for one or the other? Definitely not.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-05-19   17:03:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Is there a difference between a Marxist and a Fascist? Definitely. Does it mean that I'll be voting for one or the other? Definitely not.

Accepting your straw man, let me raise you one so that we have two.

The scenario is this. You have preteen kids and it's very likely that their future environment is going to be either communism or fascism. These are the only choices, nothing else is possible because nothing else would be considered by 98% of your fellow citizens but you do have the ability to peacefully select one of the two and help tip the balance to favor one or the other.

Knowing that your kids future depends on it, are you going to do nothing and express superior indifference because you believe that it doesn't matter which camp wins because, you say, one is the mirror image of the other?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-19   22:05:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This would be the moment when men should fight the system for themselves, their freedom and their children. I'd be ready to kill. Would you?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   22:08:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So you're going to drop a third straw man into the soup?

Like I said, 98% of your countrymen can't see any other possibility. It's either communism or fascism as far as they can comprehend. If you get yourself violent you'll just end up in a straight jacket and your kiddies are going to be worse off for that because they'll be raised in an institution.

Dr. Lenin gave a lot of thought and worked hard at developing the science of revolutions. He was pretty good at it. Lenin would never advocate that people go postal on their own. They stand no chance to win anything and all they get is hatred, ridicule and kicks in the groin from their fellow consumers.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-19   22:25:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm perplexed as to why you Obama supporters try to talk to us. Do we seem so easy to convince? Or is it the challenge we present?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-19   22:27:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

'us'? Who is 'us'? Who is 'we'? I am only speaking for myself. Are you speaking for some group?

As for why do we talk about things on this forum... well... isn't this a forum where discussions and debates are supposed to take place? What do you suggest should happen here?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-19   22:31:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you speaking for some group?

Yes, the ones who'll vote for Obama when hell freezes over.

I don't mind you talking to us. I just wonder if there's a point. You might be bored?

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-19   22:33:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am tempted to say that your intervention is rather boring but I will not say that. It is interesting to observe that someone who posts on a site dedicated to discussions and debates finds that discussions and debates are uncalled for and boring.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-19   22:36:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't deny the boring part!

buckeye  posted on  2008-05-19   22:39:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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