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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
Source: Rockwell
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 1750
Comments: 154

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-19   9:48:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

I see....early in my political odyssey I considered myself a 'conservative' in the mold of Buahanan, Sobran, Sam Francis, Charlie Reese and others who don't come immediately to mind. Movements and Parties, especially when they espouse an American First position, become infiltrated and or vilified. Conservatives have their alter ego neoconservatives, Rs have their Country Club corporatists, and the Ds their leftists, PC-laden EnviroNazies.

Nobody in this article resembles an American Firster, the 1st criterion of what I consider a conservative. Further, nobody on this forum would confuse the names in this article with conservatives.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing in common between neoconservative brownshirts and the people on this forum?

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   10:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

ari...you're a lightweight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

You know, I don't remember predicting that. I remember reporting that Mike Gravel indicated in a radio interview that he was open to the possibility. I remember expressing the opinion that such a ticket would be a good thing. I suppose it's possible I said Ron Paul might choose Gravel, although I don't remember going that far.

But, if I predicted that he would, it has entirely slipped my memory. If you can show me that I did, I will of course admit that I was wrong.

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   11:44:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell - never mind whom he chooses as VP.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   13:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell

More assassination talk?

Let's grant your wish, and suppose assassination prevents Obama from getting the presidential nomination. Can you conceive of him getting the VP nomination under those circumstances?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

More assassination talk?

what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:19:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?

Now Mr. ari, if memory serves you're an OXFORD educated attorney, and at the very least the beneficiary of a frightfully pricey education.

Your incessant reliance on tactics that would be actionable in court and in state bar proceedings is clearly indicative of your frustration with your own impotence.

You may not know this but, CarolOnTheWeb once wrote "I wish (George HW BUSH) was dead!" and was immediately visited by the secret service.

When she answered the door and was asked about her comment she replied, "Yes, I wrote it, do you want to arrest me now?" or words to that effect while extending her arms for cuffing.

After several failed attempts to intimidate this feisty gal, the secret service said "We just want to make sure that you aren't a threat to the president!" and left with no apology or repudiation from her.

JT sometimes employs a tactic that keeps the SPLC and their dutiful DOJ friendlies in states of flux. He reminds them that their plans to shove their Amerika down our throats can be derailed and despite the climate of fear they've wrought upon the nation there are and will always be some people who aren't afraid to remind the enemy that their big plans are not a given.

One has to admire Hal Turner on this point. he has his enemies foaming at the mouth, and he can actually take credit for turning the senate around on a "death to America" immigration vote by publishing senators' home addresses and phone numbers!

I didn't hear anyone of your political ilk complain when a national news reporter (on Geraldo's show) stood in front of Thom Metzger's home and showed the best place for a sniper to get a clean shot!

So, you can knock that shit off anytime now.

And, if you cannot satisfactorily counter any of the points that are so upsetting to you with stand up debate, then would you please concede the inherent flaws in your position and behave like a world class lawyer instead of an anonymous, dirty trickster hack?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-19   16:10:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the law allows JT to say what he does, how can my words about what he says be actionable?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   16:13:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

how can my words about what he says be actionable?

Your words imply (falsely) he openly advocates or has expressed a desire for such. Imasmuch as that is a federal offense, your tactics are tantamount to accusations which are harmful to the poster and the forum.

angle  posted on  2008-05-19   16:29:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Your words imply (falsely) he openly advocates or has expressed a desire for such.

The language I cited in #37, given the context, can quite reasonably be so interpreted.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   16:33:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Your words imply (falsely) he openly advocates or has expressed a desire for such. "

The language I cited in #37, given the context, can quite reasonably be so interpreted.

Not to any reasonable person. Wishing for a person to die falls far short from advocating assassination, as you have accused.

I'm finished playing your game. You're not very good at it.

angle  posted on  2008-05-19   17:53:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Wishing for a person to die falls far short from advocating assassination, as you have accused.

Not in a thread about the assassination of Obama that the very poster has posted, and when his answers are in reply to questions about whether he posted it because that was what he wanted to happen.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   18:58:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not in a thread about the assassination of Obama that the very poster has posted, and when his answers are in reply to questions about whether he posted it because that was what he wanted to happen.

Oxford, for a guy who cringes at the thought, you cant stop talking about the event.

A clumsy wannabe provocateur at best.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   19:18:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Oxford, for a guy who cringes at the thought, you cant stop talking about the event.

You gotta wonder about that.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-19   19:29:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This entire event by ari is an effort to get banned so he can return to the dust bowl a martyr. Since free speech is encouraged here, he's taking the wrong track.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   19:37:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This entire event by ari is an effort to get banned so he can return to the dust bowl a martyr. Since free speech is encouraged here, he's taking the wrong track.

He is indeed.

He should be banned.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-19   19:41:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I just posted Bob Barr's comments on 4um. Let's see if there's a reaction.

aristeides posted on 2008-05-19 19:19:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

His latest comment at PC

And for anyone interested, I lived within the 5 boroughs of NYC when I was on the NYPD.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   19:45:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I just posted Bob Barr's comments on 4um. Let's see if there's a reaction.

And virtually nobody reacted. To the truth. From Bob Barr, not me.

I guess the truth hurts.

And what, pray tell, is wrong with posting on another forum?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-20   10:14:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And what, pray tell, is wrong with posting on another forum?

Nothing at all. And I strongly encourage you to spend ALL your waking moments doing just that.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-20   13:40:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And I strongly encourage you to spend ALL your waking moments doing just that.

Funny. When I encourage Jethro Tull just to refrain from one particularly objectionable kind of posting, he accuses me of censorship.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-20   13:44:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Funny. When I encourage Jethro Tull just to refrain from one particularly objectionable kind of posting, he accuses me of censorship.

Yeah, but then he didn't say what you accused him of saying either.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-20   13:48:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is very much a matter of opinion.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-20   13:50:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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