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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
Source: Rockwell
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Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
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Views: 2229
Comments: 154

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-19   9:48:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

I see....early in my political odyssey I considered myself a 'conservative' in the mold of Buahanan, Sobran, Sam Francis, Charlie Reese and others who don't come immediately to mind. Movements and Parties, especially when they espouse an American First position, become infiltrated and or vilified. Conservatives have their alter ego neoconservatives, Rs have their Country Club corporatists, and the Ds their leftists, PC-laden EnviroNazies.

Nobody in this article resembles an American Firster, the 1st criterion of what I consider a conservative. Further, nobody on this forum would confuse the names in this article with conservatives.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing in common between neoconservative brownshirts and the people on this forum?

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   10:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

ari...you're a lightweight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

You know, I don't remember predicting that. I remember reporting that Mike Gravel indicated in a radio interview that he was open to the possibility. I remember expressing the opinion that such a ticket would be a good thing. I suppose it's possible I said Ron Paul might choose Gravel, although I don't remember going that far.

But, if I predicted that he would, it has entirely slipped my memory. If you can show me that I did, I will of course admit that I was wrong.

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   11:44:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell - never mind whom he chooses as VP.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   13:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell

More assassination talk?

Let's grant your wish, and suppose assassination prevents Obama from getting the presidential nomination. Can you conceive of him getting the VP nomination under those circumstances?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

More assassination talk?

what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:19:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

(Wallace, Bobby Kennedy)

That's not assassination talk?

If it isn't, pray tell how it is relevant to the discussion here.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

answer my questions.

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:29:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My intent is to get people to stop making irresponsible insinuations about assassination.

Shaming them seems to be the best way to do it.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Assassination: as American as Apple Pie (and Torture) By Alexander Cockburn

More than one CounterPuncher has urged me to thank Pat Robertson, along the lines of Diane Christian's excellent piece on our site today, from the bottom of our hearts. Why? As David Nebenzahl of Oakland wrote us,

Because Robertson's original loose-cannon remark gives us such clear insight into how things really work in this world. First of all, his proposal confirms that this precise thing has been done in the past: Allende, Mossadegh, ... [insert list of assassination targets here]­ despite Don Rumsfeld's pious denials. Secondly, he confirms our (the United States') implicit right to petroleum resources wherever they may be found, as shown by his comment about how offing Chavez probably wouldn't disrupt oil deliveries.

What about that list of targets of assassination bids by the CIA, acting on presidential orders that David wants us to insert? We could start with the bid on Chou en Lai's life after the Bandung Conference in 1954; move on to the disposal in 1960 of Iraq's Kassim by the Ba'athists helped into power by the CIA, then to the efforts, ultimately successful in 1961 to kill the Congo's Patrice Lumumba Lumumba, in which the CIA was intimately involved; to the Kennedy years saw similar implication in the murder of the Diem brothers in Vietnam and the first of many well attested efforts to assassinate Fidel Castro; almost certainly to Omar Torrijos of Panama, downed in an air crash; to the Reagan White House's the carefully planned effort to bomb Muammar Q'addafi to death in his encampment in 1986.

In his Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II Bill Blum has a long and interesting list starting in 1949 with Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader, going on to efforts to kill Sukarno, President of Indonesia, Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea, Mohammed Mossadegh, Claro M. Recto (the Philippines opposition leadr), Jawaharlal Nehru, Gamal Abdul Nasser, Norodom Sihanouk, José Figueres, Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, Gen. Rafael Trujillo, Charles de Gaulle, Salvador Allende, Michael Manley, Ayatollah Khomeini, the nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate, Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt), Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia, Slobodan Milosevic, Saddam Hussein.

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Why don't you write to Alexander Cockburn and try to shame him too?

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   15:07:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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