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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
Source: Rockwell
URL Source: [None]
Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
Keywords: None
Views: 1760
Comments: 154

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Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 64.

#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-19   9:48:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

I see....early in my political odyssey I considered myself a 'conservative' in the mold of Buahanan, Sobran, Sam Francis, Charlie Reese and others who don't come immediately to mind. Movements and Parties, especially when they espouse an American First position, become infiltrated and or vilified. Conservatives have their alter ego neoconservatives, Rs have their Country Club corporatists, and the Ds their leftists, PC-laden EnviroNazies.

Nobody in this article resembles an American Firster, the 1st criterion of what I consider a conservative. Further, nobody on this forum would confuse the names in this article with conservatives.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:05:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing in common between neoconservative brownshirts and the people on this forum?

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   10:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

ari...you're a lightweight.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   10:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.

You know, I don't remember predicting that. I remember reporting that Mike Gravel indicated in a radio interview that he was open to the possibility. I remember expressing the opinion that such a ticket would be a good thing. I suppose it's possible I said Ron Paul might choose Gravel, although I don't remember going that far.

But, if I predicted that he would, it has entirely slipped my memory. If you can show me that I did, I will of course admit that I was wrong.

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   11:44:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell - never mind whom he chooses as VP.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-19   13:16:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell

More assassination talk?

Let's grant your wish, and suppose assassination prevents Obama from getting the presidential nomination. Can you conceive of him getting the VP nomination under those circumstances?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   14:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

More assassination talk?

what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?

christine  posted on  2008-05-19   14:19:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?

Now Mr. ari, if memory serves you're an OXFORD educated attorney, and at the very least the beneficiary of a frightfully pricey education.

Your incessant reliance on tactics that would be actionable in court and in state bar proceedings is clearly indicative of your frustration with your own impotence.

You may not know this but, CarolOnTheWeb once wrote "I wish (George HW BUSH) was dead!" and was immediately visited by the secret service.

When she answered the door and was asked about her comment she replied, "Yes, I wrote it, do you want to arrest me now?" or words to that effect while extending her arms for cuffing.

After several failed attempts to intimidate this feisty gal, the secret service said "We just want to make sure that you aren't a threat to the president!" and left with no apology or repudiation from her.

JT sometimes employs a tactic that keeps the SPLC and their dutiful DOJ friendlies in states of flux. He reminds them that their plans to shove their Amerika down our throats can be derailed and despite the climate of fear they've wrought upon the nation there are and will always be some people who aren't afraid to remind the enemy that their big plans are not a given.

One has to admire Hal Turner on this point. he has his enemies foaming at the mouth, and he can actually take credit for turning the senate around on a "death to America" immigration vote by publishing senators' home addresses and phone numbers!

I didn't hear anyone of your political ilk complain when a national news reporter (on Geraldo's show) stood in front of Thom Metzger's home and showed the best place for a sniper to get a clean shot!

So, you can knock that shit off anytime now.

And, if you cannot satisfactorily counter any of the points that are so upsetting to you with stand up debate, then would you please concede the inherent flaws in your position and behave like a world class lawyer instead of an anonymous, dirty trickster hack?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-19   16:10:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the law allows JT to say what he does, how can my words about what he says be actionable?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   16:13:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the law allows JT to say what he does, how can my words about what he says be actionable?

Your shabby tactics would soon prove tiresome to any trial judge, and that's a slam dunk contempt citation.

If you threatened (or raised the spectre of) criminal charges to gain advantage in a civil action that is a breach of the ABA canon of ethics! (which are mirrored in many state ethics codes)

Now, if a lawyers' professional ethics are an obstacle or simply of no use in heated and protracted political discussions, then will you start by conceding that point?

Or, you can adhere to the rules of professional conduct and present cogent facts to support your position, if you have any.

It's my position that I could argue your case better than you've been doing, without "passion or prejudice". But, then again I'm from the home of Thomas Jefferson, and you're influences are no doubt the likes of Cecil Rhodes. It's becoming more apparent each passing moment that an Oxford education leaves you somewhat under-gunned against me or JT in an honest to by God stand up political debate.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-19   16:28:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I presented cogent facts in #37. I am threatening no legal action.

You're the one who appears to be suggesting such a thing.

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19   16:32:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I presented cogent facts in #37. I am threatening no legal action.

You're the one who appears to be suggesting such a thing.

I believe I was clear in my hypothetical, "if you were in court".

I didn't suggest that you were threatening to file charges here.

You're very slippery here, but we both know that no judicial officer would permit that, and it's still no substitute for intelligent debate including followups to JT's frustrating counters to your "cogent facts in #37."

In short you seem to want to corner JT on one point: He has alluded to some secret wish that an assassin's bullet would change the course of history.

My point is, If so, then so what? As Carol amply demonstrated it's not against the law to openly wish that terrible misfortune befall some unpopular and/or treasonous politico who wants to run our lives and steer the ship of state right up onto the rocks.

I for one hope that someday Bill Clinton ODs on Viagra and he has to pole vault to the nearest ER to seek emergency medical assistance and it's printed in the New York Daily News, while Hillary is in China or Bangladesh!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-19   16:41:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: HOUNDDAWG (#64)

Something can be permitted by the law, but nevertheless be morally reprehensible and worthy of severe condemnation.

Surely free speech allows that?

aristeides  posted on  2008-05-19 16:43:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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