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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
Source: Rockwell
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Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
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#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?

Arator  posted on  2008-05-19   9:48:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise.

September 29, 2007 Fed Up With Cowardice and Duplicity

www.watchblog.com /democrats/archives/005534.html

I am fed up and more than ticked off by most of the Congress and by the Democratic Presidential candidates. Remember the expansion of the Bush’s illegal wiretapping?

Remember the temporary expansion of the FISA extension than Representative Harman was passed based on hyped security threats? WHY are the Democrats passing these attacks on civil liberties and Constitutional protections?

This just makes my jaws ache. For our elected representatives, and in particular the Democrats, to vote for these things is not an issue of "fear." If they are willing to destroy our rights because they are "afraid," then one must assume that they actually believe that Constitutional abridgements are "necessary" for our security. Bull. A total surveillance society (in other words not the one we thought we were living in) is not safer, and it certainly does not have the wall of privacy that is needed for a free citizenry.

While I appreciate Harman stepping up and speaking about this, it is just pure cowardice that our elected representatives would throw away our Constitution because they were scared. Apparently, that was a fairly self-serving fear, because the "hyped" threats were to Congress. COWARDS and fools.

How many times can the administration lie, deceive, obscure, cherry pick, and "hype" before the Dems wake up? What ever happened to "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me?"

Or how about the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007 that passed the House on September 25, 2007? That is the bill to declare Iran's Revolutionary Guard (their military) a terrorist organization. Excuse me? We want to declare a government's military as a terrorist organization? Seems to me that the U.S. is on very shaky ground there. What about the School of the Americas now known as the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation? You remember SOA is the one that trains Latin American military and police in torture, supression of "insurgency" and other means of controlling an "unruly" population? Since this is part of our military, should it be considered a terrorist organization? Or what about the CIA? The U.S. has an fairly long list of "helping" certain factions to power, arming "insurgents" to overthrow their government, etc. In fact, the U.S. has been aiding "dissidents" inside Iran to take over that government. Sounds like any of those might make the U.S. ripe for claims that we are state sponsors of terrorism. In fact, we are even arming and training "insurgents" (or those formerly labeled "insurgents") in Iraq.

The list could go on and on, but I'll just add one more that sticks in my craw - the hyped indignation about MoveOn.org's add prior to the Petreaus report. What pray tell happened to free speech? Why are our elected representatives taking time to "condemn" free speech? Why did they not do the same for Max Cleland, John Kerry, or John McCain. Shall we really get into personal attacks and defamation of character? Yet a number of Democrats in both the House and the Senate somehow felt they need to spend time and breath on some sort of display of false patriotism.

I am tired of the cowardice of Congress. I am tired of Democrats supposedly taking a stand while too many seem to be voting right in lock step with the Republicans. I am tired of excuses that are totally off the point. They can all - Dems and Republicans - start representing us, or they can get the hell out of Washington. That same message needs to be sent loud and clear to the Presidential candidates. We (and by that I mean the almost 75% of citizens of the United States) do not want more of what we have seen and experienced for the last seven years.

{snip} firedoglake.com/2007/08/1...ity-in-the-fisa-stampede/

The Democrats also knew the Administration's history in willfully violating the warrant requirements of FISA, and they knew the Administration has yet to explain what it is doing and how it can be legally justified. They knew the Administration had engaged in activities that were so blatantly unlawful that the previous Attorney General, the acting Attorney General and the Director of the FBI were prepared to resign if the activities continued. Yet knowing all this, they passed a bill written entirely by the Administration and never vetted through hearings that gutted FISA, a 28 year old statute that had been carefully crafted and updated after extensive public hearings. They recklessly gutted a statute designed to protect our rights against government abuses that had occurred during the Nixon and prior administrations, abuses that, given the Bush/Cheney regime's history and statements, the Democrats knew were probably at risk here.

Second, the article confirms the suspicions that the Administration knowingly misled Congress, claiming a limited FISA amendment was necessary to correct the foreign-to-foreign intelligence gap when in fact they knew that the bill language they drafted went far beyond that limited fix. The Administration denies it would ever interpret the statute in ways that pushed an extreme view of executive power; are we to believe this from an administration that has never held back on pushing extreme views of executive powers?

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-19   16:48:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Excellent!

If SOA/WHINSC doesn't expose the true evil in our "servants'" hearts then nothing does.

With the installation of ubiquitous cameras and REAL ID our servants become our masters, and they'll effect a bloodless (for them) coup against us and the constitution.

And Alan Dershowitz and the AG du jour are always ready to opine on how to make it all nice and legal like.

Again let me mention Red Beckman, one of the researchers who visited the 48 state houses to obtain (certified, he had to do it twice) copies of their 1913 house journals, and he proved that the 16th amendment was not ratified. (as he told me "Don't say not {properly ratified}. It wasn't ratified, period!")

Beckman also said "It's a race between the collapse of the economy and the grabbing of the guns. And, which comes first will determine the future course of America!'

Need I say more?

Those who have no doubt what the shadow govt types are planning for us will have choices, not unlike those faced by the signers of The Declaration. And Ben Franklin understood all too well when he said that "it's better to fight and die on your feet than to live on your knees." After what this govt has done to innocents in the name of the WOT (actually, Eretz Israel) there is no doubt in my mind that I don't ever want to be reduced to federal custody, at least not while I'm alive.

I don't threaten or menace anyone, but, "If they mean to have a war then let it begin here."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-19   17:36:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: HOUNDDAWG (#75)

If SOA/WHINSC doesn't expose the true evil in our "servants'" hearts then nothing does.

With the installation of ubiquitous cameras and REAL ID our servants become our masters, and they'll effect a bloodless (for them) coup against us and the constitution.

And Alan Dershowitz and the AG du jour are always ready to opine on how to make it all nice and legal like.

Again let me mention Red Beckman, one of the researchers who visited the 48 state houses to obtain (certified, he had to do it twice) copies of their 1913 house journals, and he proved that the 16th amendment was not ratified. (as he told me "Don't say not {properly ratified}. It wasn't ratified, period!")

Beckman also said "It's a race between the collapse of the economy and the grabbing of the guns. And, which comes first will determine the future course of America!'

Need I say more?

Those who have no doubt what the shadow govt types are planning for us will have choices, not unlike those faced by the signers of The Declaration. And Ben Franklin understood all too well when he said that "it's better to fight and die on your feet than to live on your knees." After what this govt has done to innocents in the name of the WOT (actually, Eretz Israel) there is no doubt in my mind that I don't ever want to be reduced to federal custody, at least not while I'm alive.

I don't threaten or menace anyone, but, "If they mean to have a war then let it begin here."

It is ever so clear to all, 75% of America knows what some will not admit. Every individual takes a different path, save the few who benefit from the chaos.

Beckman also said "It's a race between the collapse of the economy and the grabbing of the guns. And, which comes first will determine the future course of America!'

Need I say more?

You might have to... the few have decided we should not be allowed to fight or speak. While we can, we should.

Peppa  posted on  2008-05-19 17:56:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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