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Title: The Conservative Movement: From Failure to Threat
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Published: May 19, 2008
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2008-05-19 09:39:44 by ghostdogtxn
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#1. To: ghostdogtxn, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#0)
Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP. Some would have us believe that there is no significant difference between having a President Obama and a President McCain. Facts (which, as PRC states, conservative emotion now blots out) prove otherwise. Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Dream on while the magicians work their sleight of hand.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Specifically which 4um ers are these?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Pelosi: More must be done to stop Iran http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1210668665810&pagename=JPost% 2FJPArticle%2FShowFull She's as much of a brownshirt as the rest.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
I see....early in my political odyssey I considered
myself a 'conservative' in the mold of Buahanan, Sobran, Sam Francis, Charlie
Reese and others who don't come immediately to mind. Movements and Parties,
especially when they espouse an American First position, become infiltrated
and or vilified. Conservatives have their alter ego neoconservatives, Rs have
their Country Club corporatists, and the Ds their leftists, PC-laden
EnviroNazies. Nobody in this article resembles an American Firster, the
1st criterion of what I consider a conservative. Further, nobody on this forum
would confuse the names in this article with conservatives.
I just finished reading Philippe Sands's Torture Team: Rumsfeld's Memo and the Betrayal of American Values . It is an excellent account of the brownshirted lawyers in Bush's Justice Department, Defense Department, and White House.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Nothing in common between neoconservative brownshirts and the people on this forum? Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP. ari...you're a lightweight.
that may be, but i'm sure as heck not one of them. i'll abstain completely or write in Ron Paul.
You know, I don't remember predicting that. I remember reporting that Mike Gravel indicated in a radio interview that he was open to the possibility. I remember expressing the opinion that such a ticket would be a good thing. I suppose it's possible I said Ron Paul might choose Gravel, although I don't remember going that far. But, if I predicted that he would, it has entirely slipped my memory. If you can show me that I did, I will of course admit that I was wrong. Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
do you think Hillary is definitely out? or that it's still out of the realm of possibility that they will share the ticket? i'm not so sure that she's not the selection of the PTB.
Why shouldn't they ? If someone as 'intellectual' as you all pretend to be can embrace the dark side and lick the boots of a racist, elitist, Establishment Marxist Communist...what would lead anyone to believe it wouldn't swing the other way for the Establishment. The number of "Principled" America firsters on 4um might be the minority. If it were my site, I'd kill your accounts and salt your IP addresses then repeat as necessary...
You're in the top 3, you should've been named. My apologies for forgetting you exist...
I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell - never mind whom he chooses as VP.
But, if I predicted that he would, it has entirely slipped my memory. If you can show me that I did, I will of course admit that I was wrong. "I don't recall."
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Is Hillary out of the running?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
In this case, the evidence is available to anyone who wants to do a search on this site. I'm reasonably sure none will be found.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Has Ron Paul decided on his VP choice yet?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
More assassination talk? Let's grant your wish, and suppose assassination prevents Obama from getting the presidential nomination. Can you conceive of him getting the VP nomination under those circumstances?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
what is this, ari? JT or anyone else here is not permitted to mention anything that happened in history or speculate that a similar event could occur without your insinuations that it's somehow a threat? this is an attempt by you to harm this forum and its posters, imo. am i wrong in assuming that this is your intent?
That's not assassination talk? If it isn't, pray tell how it is relevant to the discussion here.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
answer my questions.
My intent is to get people to stop making irresponsible insinuations about assassination. Shaming them seems to be the best way to do it.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Don't hold your breath.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Yes. American and global politics are about CHANGE. Now take heart, such change won't be from THIS keyboard commando. I'm a simple political yapper who has been around long enough to know how a well placed bullet has changed history. Now please unbunch those panties of yours. Assassination is as American as apple pie - Hughie Newton
How lawyerly of you. Regular people say, "I never said or implied such a thing."
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
A question with a question...my you're in fine form today. Did I suggest he had?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Paul Wellstone.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Please point to anywhere on this forum where i have mentioned I want this?
oh, so Mr PC is determining what is irresponsible and what is an insinuation about assassination. your attempt to take an innocuous comment like the one you cited as an insinuation or threat is harrassment and appears purposefully done to malign.
Sonny Bono, and the list goes on and on.
Assassination: as American as Apple Pie (and Torture) By Alexander Cockburn More than one CounterPuncher has urged me to thank Pat Robertson, along the lines of Diane Christian's excellent piece on our site today, from the bottom of our hearts. Why? As David Nebenzahl of Oakland wrote us, Because Robertson's original loose-cannon remark gives us such clear insight into how things really work in this world. First of all, his proposal confirms that this precise thing has been done in the past: Allende, Mossadegh, ... [insert list of assassination targets here] despite Don Rumsfeld's pious denials. Secondly, he confirms our (the United States') implicit right to petroleum resources wherever they may be found, as shown by his comment about how offing Chavez probably wouldn't disrupt oil deliveries. What about that list of targets of assassination bids by the CIA, acting on presidential orders that David wants us to insert? We could start with the bid on Chou en Lai's life after the Bandung Conference in 1954; move on to the disposal in 1960 of Iraq's Kassim by the Ba'athists helped into power by the CIA, then to the efforts, ultimately successful in 1961 to kill the Congo's Patrice Lumumba Lumumba, in which the CIA was intimately involved; to the Kennedy years saw similar implication in the murder of the Diem brothers in Vietnam and the first of many well attested efforts to assassinate Fidel Castro; almost certainly to Omar Torrijos of Panama, downed in an air crash; to the Reagan White House's the carefully planned effort to bomb Muammar Q'addafi to death in his encampment in 1986. In his Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II Bill Blum has a long and interesting list starting in 1949 with Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader, going on to efforts to kill Sukarno, President of Indonesia, Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea, Mohammed Mossadegh, Claro M. Recto (the Philippines opposition leadr), Jawaharlal Nehru, Gamal Abdul Nasser, Norodom Sihanouk, José Figueres, Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier, Gen. Rafael Trujillo, Charles de Gaulle, Salvador Allende, Michael Manley, Ayatollah Khomeini, the nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate, Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt), Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia, Slobodan Milosevic, Saddam Hussein. ********* Why don't you write to Alexander Cockburn and try to shame him too?
You didn't answer my question. If (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) is not assassination talk, what is it, and how is it relevant to the discussion in this thread?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
and Commies need dying. On this thread, which was precisely about the assassination of Obama.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I asked if it was "assassination talk". Which it is.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I brought it up in #17. In both cases a front running D was shot. In the case of Kennedy, he was killed. I repeat; political assassination in terms of our history and global history is a reality and a valid topic of discussion. Your anaemic attempt to connect it to me is funny. I urge you to please call Homeland Security if you feel a threat has been made. I'd love talking to those 'holes and reporting the recorded results back here :P
I urge you to report this threat and *please* be the complaining witness. Have you the balls?
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#2. To: Arator, christine, Jethro Tull, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent (#1)
#3. To: Arator (#1)
Please note that this cluster of traitorous Constitution-gutters and tyrant- makers is exclusive to the GOP.
#4. To: Arator (#1)
Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?
#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
Is Yoo any more culpable than anyone else who served the corrupt, evil, and anti-American Bush Regime?
#6. To: All (#5)
#7. To: angle (#5)
#8. To: Arator, ghostdogtxn, angle,christine, FOH, Critter, RickyJ. Original Intent, Hounddawg, cynicom, Peppa, all (#1)
Are 4umers who find acceptable the continuation of these
brownshirts in power all that different from the brownshirts themselves?
#9. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
#11. To: aristeides (#10)
Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)
#12. To: aristeides (#10)
Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day.
#13. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#11)
Let me bring you back to your last political prognostication; Ron Paul would choose Mike Gravel as his VP.
#14. To: aristeides (#13)
#15. To: aristeides, ferret mike, ALL COMMIE DECONSTRUCTIONIST AMERICA-HATING LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST DOUCHEBAGS (#10)
Let's wait and see how many come out in support of McCain before Election Day. (I expect quite a few to do so.)
#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)
#17. To: aristeides (#13)
Meanwhile, Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate. I believe other people posting here have predicted the same thing
#18. To: aristeides (#13)
I remember expressing the opinion that such a ticket would be a good thing. I suppose it's possible I said Ron Paul might choose Gravel, although I don't remember going that far.
#19. To: aristeides (#13)
Cynicom has yet to admit that he was wrong in predicting that Obama would be Hillary's vice presidential running mate.
#20. To: angle (#18)
"I don't recall."
#21. To: angle (#19)
Is Hillary out of the running?
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
(Edited)
I don't concede him the nomination (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) until the final bell
#23. To: aristeides (#22)
More assassination talk?
#24. To: christine (#23)
(Wallace, Bobby Kennedy)
#25. To: aristeides (#24)
#26. To: christine (#25)
#27. To: christine (#25)
answer my questions.
#28. To: aristeides (#22)
More assassination talk?
#29. To: aristeides (#20)
the evidence is available to anyone who wants to do a search on this site.
#30. To: aristeides (#21)
Has Ron Paul decided on his VP choice yet?
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
Assassination is as American as apple pie
#32. To: aristeides (#22)
Let's grant your wish, and suppose assassination prevents Obama from getting the presidential nomination.
#33. To: aristeides (#26)
#34. To: angle (#31)
#35. To: aristeides (#26)
#36. To: christine (#33)
(Wallace, Bobby Kennedy)
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#32)
The nation would be better off if he and his fellow socialists no longer graced this planet.
#38. To: christine (#33)
the one you cited as an insinuation or threat
#39. To: aristeides (#36)
(Edited)
You didn't answer my question. If (Wallace, Bobby Kennedy) is not assassination talk, what is it, and how is it relevant to the discussion in this thread?
#40. To: aristeides (#37)
On this thread, which was precisely about the assassination of Obama.
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