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Title: Oregon: 85% of the white vote goes to Hillary
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Published: May 20, 2008
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2008-05-20 21:33:13 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 987
Comments: 71

Wow. The nation is fractured.

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Oregon, is 90% white, I heard. Are you saying that Hillary beat Obama 75% to 25% in Oregon?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-20   21:34:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Think white vote and turn on MSNBC. Have you cable, or do you still use a B&W w/rabbit ears?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-20   21:37:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have MSNBC. I suppose this is another one of your misunderstandings.

I remember you posted a similar thread with false data in it some time ago during another primary vote. Your source was MSNBC.

But, you better answer the question. Is Hillary beating Obama in Oregon by 75-25, because if she doesn't she can't be getting 85% of the vote.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-20   21:40:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry you haven't cable, but MSNBC reported Hillary has disproportionate numbers of white votes in both KY and OR. Lets put numbers on it when it's finalized, but the bigger problem your guy has is this; the white working class (read, small town, gun owners) aren't buying his brand of redistributionism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-20   21:46:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

his brand of redistributionism

Great phraseology.

angle  posted on  2008-05-21   6:44:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

LOL. I did not notice that.

Yesterday morning, JT was demanded that someone picked between opposing distributionism and Obama. Now, that we all understand how JT himself is a beneficiary of distributionism, he PIVOTED (I love the word) to Obama's BRAND of distributionism.

The distributionism that benefits JT is good but Obama's BRAND... Oy! Vey!!!

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-21   6:53:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

At least you see that Obaba is all about redistributing wealth from middle to lower and beyond.

angle  posted on  2008-05-21   6:58:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know how wealth is 'redistributed' to the 'lower and beyond'. Is Obama eager to put everyone on welfare and on food stamps? I don't think so. The lower income people already don't pay taxes and most middle income pay relatively low taxes, at least at the federal level. So, how is Obama going to redistribute 'wealth' to the lower income?

This is what he might do:

- Expanding gov't paid health coverage to low income people.
- More gov't help with low income kids' education, including more support for ghetto schools.
- Eliminating the Social Security tax for the lower income but that would be hard because there's already the 'earned income' tax credit that is meant to eliminate it.

Can you think of any other way in which Obama may benefit our enemy, 'the lazy and the poor'?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-21   7:08:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you think of any other way in which Obama may benefit our enemy, 'the lazy and the poor'?

Your enemy is the lazy and the poor? They aren't my enemy, they're the manifestation of a non workable society of which Obama, McCain and Rodham promise you more.

angle  posted on  2008-05-21   7:59:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the government forces redistributions unto undeserving others then they could be viewed as the enemies of the self-sustained because they are the friends of our true enemy, the welfare state.

My question was, how is Obama going to channel our hard-earned wealth to the enemy other than in the modest ways I outlined above?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-21   8:05:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If the government forces redistributions unto undeserving others then they could be viewed as the enemies of the self-sustained

One of the biggest ways the gov't does this is by its expansion. Non producing government workers are the way the gov't (Obama included) cultivates parasites on the working class.

angle  posted on  2008-05-21   8:16:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

One of the biggest ways the gov't does this is by its expansion. Non producing government workers are the way the gov't (Obama included) cultivates parasites on the working class.

Then, do we all agree that W was the biggest redistributionist of all times - with his asking for and enacting the largest expansion of the US government since... ever?

It IS possible that Obama or McCain would grow the gov't even bigger but they are going to be under big pressure to stop borrowing us into bankruptcy. They may both try to raise taxes but we are not in an environment where people have a lot of disposable income to give away to the government.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-21   8:26:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't think you get that there is no fixing this.

angle  posted on  2008-05-21   9:09:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, there is. The Roman empire was fixed when the citizens got too lazy and addicted to entertainments. The barbarians took over and 'a new world order' emerged. We are probably at the end of the cycle that began with the fall of Rome and the massive migrations from Asia.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-21   9:13:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you consider being invaded and taken over as a solution, that's already happened. In addition, without an invasion, the Saudis and OPEC are bringing us to our knees.

angle  posted on  2008-05-21   9:23:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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