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Title: Oregon: 85% of the white vote goes to Hillary
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Published: May 20, 2008
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2008-05-20 21:33:13 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 917
Comments: 71

Wow. The nation is fractured.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Oregon, is 90% white, I heard. Are you saying that Hillary beat Obama 75% to 25% in Oregon?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-20   21:34:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Think white vote and turn on MSNBC. Have you cable, or do you still use a B&W w/rabbit ears?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-20   21:37:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't have MSNBC. I suppose this is another one of your misunderstandings.

I remember you posted a similar thread with false data in it some time ago during another primary vote. Your source was MSNBC.

But, you better answer the question. Is Hillary beating Obama in Oregon by 75-25, because if she doesn't she can't be getting 85% of the vote.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-20   21:40:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry you haven't cable, but MSNBC reported Hillary has disproportionate numbers of white votes in both KY and OR. Lets put numbers on it when it's finalized, but the bigger problem your guy has is this; the white working class (read, small town, gun owners) aren't buying his brand of redistributionism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-20   21:46:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If Oregon is 90% White, Obama can't win the state unless he gets a majority of the Whites.

I believe it's known that Hillary gets the rural, the less educated, the white women and the elderly. The elderly and the rural tend to be White. The rural tend also to be less educated. It's not clear how big a role racism is playing in this.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-20   21:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's not clear how big a role racism is playing in this.

This is the talk since PA. He isn't getting the WWC (white working class) aka (toothless small towners)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-20   21:53:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is the talk since PA. He isn't getting the WWC (white working class) aka (toothless small towners)

Yes, but if the Whites of Kentucky reject Obama and the Whites of Oregon embrace him, you need to find something other than Whiteness to understand what's going on. Don't you agree? It could be that 'the working class' doesn't like him or there may be a combination of several factors but it may be that it's not the race that makes the difference. I mentioned age, education and gender. They all seem to be unevenly distributed between the 2. The Blacks are Obama's, for sure, regardless of age, gender, education or occupation, but I'm not so sure about the Whites.

Note that I'm helping you making your case that it's not 'racism' that determines pro or anti-Obama votes.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-05-20   22:20:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, but if the Whites of Kentucky reject Obama and the Whites of Oregon embrace him, you need to find something other than Whiteness to understand what's going on.

Indeed. As one commentator said last night, if Appalachia were a country, Hillary could be its queen. But the country is not just Appalachia (thank God).

Clearly Obama has a hillbilly problem. The only thing worse than not getting the hillbilly vote is...well...getting it. An analyst showed last night that the hillbilly Democrat vote went overwhelmingly for Bush in 2004. In other words, they like fascism almost as much as moonshine.

A more pitiful bunch of voters there never were. Obama's better off without 'em.

Arator  posted on  2008-05-21   9:16:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A more pitiful bunch of voters there never were. Obama's better off without 'em.

Well, to write off OH, PA, KY and WV is to lose to McCain. The Rev Wright issue and his bitter, guns and bibles comment resonated in these hills and I assume they will in other pockets of the country where Americans still outnumber socialists.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-05-21   9:26:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

write off OH, PA, KY and WV is to lose to McCain.

Yeppers.

I have had more than a bellyful of the remarks made about the *hillbillies* that voted yesterday. I have lived in Kentucky for about 10 years now and out of all the states I have lived in, you won't find better people to live around. I don't have to lock my doors, people help each other out and most here would give you the shirt off their back. Most here have kids in Iraq and most have lost their kids to Iraq. They work hard, go to church and try to raise their kids right. They are hardly *uninformed*, *uneducated* or racist.

justlurking  posted on  2008-05-21   9:39:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Most here have kids in Iraq and most have lost their kids to Iraq

are most of them republicans? and how do they feel about bush and the continuation of the war?

christine  posted on  2008-05-21   10:02:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll come back to this tonight, I have to get to work, I am running behind now as it is :P

justlurking  posted on  2008-05-21   10:28:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: justlurking (#63)

ok, looking forward to it.

christine  posted on  2008-05-21 10:32:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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