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Title: Oregon: 85% of the white vote goes to Hillary
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Published: May 20, 2008
Author: MSNBC
Post Date: 2008-05-20 21:33:13 by Jethro Tull
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Wow. The nation is fractured.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Oregon, is 90% white, I heard. Are you saying that Hillary beat Obama 75% to 25% in Oregon?
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Think white vote and turn on MSNBC. Have you cable, or do you still use a B&W w/rabbit ears?
I don't have MSNBC. I suppose this is another one of your misunderstandings. I remember you posted a similar thread with false data in it some time ago during another primary vote. Your source was MSNBC. But, you better answer the question. Is Hillary beating Obama in Oregon by 75-25, because if she doesn't she can't be getting 85% of the vote.
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That's about right, +/- 2%. Maybe that big demonstration in Downtown Portland didn't amount to much BUT we will have to see what happens as the numbers come in. The crowd estimates have already been downsized by nearly 50% to 40k as opposed to the 75k claimed by some. The polls in OR don't close until 8pm There was an "exit poll" done by phone over the weekend since Oregon doesn't actually have polling places; its vote by mail or dropoff ONLY.
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I think you mean Kentucky.
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Sorry you haven't cable, but MSNBC reported Hillary has disproportionate numbers of white votes in both KY and OR. Lets put numbers on it when it's finalized, but the bigger problem your guy has is this; the white working class (read, small town, gun owners) aren't buying his brand of redistributionism.
It's stunning that Hillary is seen as the least threatening candidate to them. This illustrates just how far we have fallen in the past 16 years.
Could be. I know KY is 75% white for H, I thought I saw a lopsided # for OR, but I might have it wrong. We'll know soon.
The culmination of the "lesser" voting strategy is playing out its final hand.
If Oregon is 90% White, Obama can't win the state unless he gets a majority of the Whites. I believe it's known that Hillary gets the rural, the less educated, the white women and the elderly. The elderly and the rural tend to be White. The rural tend also to be less educated. It's not clear how big a role racism is playing in this.
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Oregon has mostly already voted. The count amoung those that voted a few days ago was 49% to 49%. Obama will probably win Oregon, but not by double digits.
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This is the talk since PA. He isn't getting the WWC (white working class) aka (toothless small towners)
Yes, but if the Whites of Kentucky reject Obama and the Whites of Oregon embrace him, you need to find something other than Whiteness to understand what's going on. Don't you agree? It could be that 'the working class' doesn't like him or there may be a combination of several factors but it may be that it's not the race that makes the difference. I mentioned age, education and gender. They all seem to be unevenly distributed between the 2. The Blacks are Obama's, for sure, regardless of age, gender, education or occupation, but I'm not so sure about the Whites. Note that I'm helping you making your case that it's not 'racism' that determines pro or anti-Obama votes.
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I understand what you're saying. What is totally perplexing to me is why is H still in this? She is damaging him in that he lost the white vote - large - in PA, WV, and now KY, all since his bible/guns & Rev Wright events. Barring a lightening strike, she can't win, but on she goes,,,,,
My impression is that Hillary's plan is to punish the Dems for denying her the nomination and the presidency. Lately, she's trying to peel the women away from Obama by claiming that she's a victim of sexism. She is also trying to deny Obama any chance in Florida and Michigan and, of course, she is pushing the White working class into McCain's arms. I don't know if it's going to work. The Obama McCain debates are going to be interesting and they are likely to determine the winner of the November election.
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Extreme liberals support Obama more, moderates support Hillary more. Makes a lot of sense since Obama is the more liberal of the two.
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That may be the case. Sitting in a Waffle House not all that long ago, I overheard a group of men sitting around shooting the bull. Obama's *bitter* comment came up and woooooo baby, that will not be forgotten anytime soon. I can tell you, that remark did not go over well at all. Especially in this rural area. Those guys were pissed about it.
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If 85% of whites go for Hillary that is not a fracture, that is a mandate.
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I noticed something at work today. I work in a call center with approx. 350- 400 people. Breakdown is about 60 percent white/40 percent black. I saw about 20 whites with I Voted stickers and 0 blacks. The blacks I spoke with had the following reasons for not voting: 1. I didn't know where to vote 2. I don't know if I am registered 3. I don't have time When I offered up the courthouse phone number to the two who weren't sure if they could vote or where, they couldn't be bothered. One white person overheard me and asked for the number, she found out where she could vote and went and did so on her lunch. The rest couldn't be bothered. I don't know what it means, but it just struck me as odd.
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1. I didn't know where to vote 2. I don't know if I am registered 3. I don't have time JL, they might have known in advance their votes would be cast whether they showed or not, a la, Mayor Daley, Chicago, 1960.
I dunno, it just struck me as odd. Obama didn't win our county, didn't even come close. It was Hillary 62 to 33 percent and this is a big college town.
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So....Obama loses in OH, PA, WV and KY, with the common denominator being that working class whites (MSM speak for uneducated, double-wide inhabitants) aren't buying his snake oil. He's pulling in between 20-25% of that demographic. He has a problem.
You have my sympathies. I use to work in call/telemarketing center (JC Penny Catalog) and it really sucks. I am not a people person and hate talking. I don't know why I ever did it but I was young then and did a lot of dumb things.
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I supervise so I am not on the phones anymore except for escalations. We do customer service for a major cell phone carrier. Not pretty. Not my first choice for a job, I already left once, they talked me in to coming back. Pay is too good for me to pass up right now. But, it's a decent job for alot of the younger kids in this area. I don't think there are too many in this area that haven't worked there. Turnover is horrendous. It's a tough job being on the phones with grouchy people.
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Yes, he does. The elections have been decided by 49/51 percent votes the past couple of times. This is a 49/51 percent primary, awful lot of folks gonna be pissed off and will go elsewhere.
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Oregon is very white. The notion of this thread is ridiculous.
Oregon Democratic Primary 20-May-08 Delegates: 58 County Results --- 52% Reporting 1 Obama 256,209 58% 2 Clinton 185,280 42% 3 Edwards - 0%
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Great phraseology.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Obama's top strategist, David Axelrod, said getting the pledged delegate majority was an "important milestone," but not the end of the trail. Neither candidate is expected to reach the 2,026 delegates needed to win the Democratic nomination. That means the race is likely to be settled by "superdelegates" -- party leaders and officials who will cast votes at the Democratic convention in August. Read...who is going to be able to buy the majority of the "superdelegates"?
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
LOL. I did not notice that. Yesterday morning, JT was demanded that someone picked between opposing distributionism and Obama. Now, that we all understand how JT himself is a beneficiary of distributionism, he PIVOTED (I love the word) to Obama's BRAND of distributionism. The distributionism that benefits JT is good but Obama's BRAND... Oy! Vey!!!
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There's no need to read that. Hillary lost already. Her late whining about her being disrespected for being a bitch and a witch signals her pathetic awakening to reality. She's never going to be the president of the US (oh my... what a loss) and she is not about to go down with a whimper. She'll be screaming like an el torro in the slaughter house. Remember, she's got testicular fortitude.
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At least you see that Obaba is all about redistributing wealth from middle to lower and beyond.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
I don't know how wealth is 'redistributed' to the 'lower and beyond'. Is Obama eager to put everyone on welfare and on food stamps? I don't think so. The lower income people already don't pay taxes and most middle income pay relatively low taxes, at least at the federal level. So, how is Obama going to redistribute 'wealth' to the lower income? This is what he might do: - Expanding gov't paid health coverage to low income people. Can you think of any other way in which Obama may benefit our enemy, 'the lazy and the poor'?
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We'll see what happens.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Your enemy is the lazy and the poor? They aren't my enemy, they're the manifestation of a non workable society of which Obama, McCain and Rodham promise you more.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
If the government forces redistributions unto undeserving others then they could be viewed as the enemies of the self-sustained because they are the friends of our true enemy, the welfare state. My question was, how is Obama going to channel our hard-earned wealth to the enemy other than in the modest ways I outlined above?
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If Obama is getting 90 percent of the black vote. How many of them would be racists?
One of the biggest ways the gov't does this is by its expansion. Non producing government workers are the way the gov't (Obama included) cultivates parasites on the working class.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
As I stated before, almost everyone is a racist. I don't think it's just a cultural thing. Racism is probably genetic but it can be reinforced and exacerbated by upbringing and circumstances. Now, in the case of Hillary, I am surprised that so many do vote for her. I don't know why she would deserve anyone's vote but that's a different issue. Most blacks vote for Obama out of race pride, no question about it but I don't think that Al Sharpton got anywhere close to 90% of the black vote 4 years ago and he is a lot blacker than Obama. Condi Rice would probably get a low percentage of the black vote.
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Then, do we all agree that W was the biggest redistributionist of all times - with his asking for and enacting the largest expansion of the US government since... ever? It IS possible that Obama or McCain would grow the gov't even bigger but they are going to be under big pressure to stop borrowing us into bankruptcy. They may both try to raise taxes but we are not in an environment where people have a lot of disposable income to give away to the government.
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fair enough
I thought that deserved a repeat. Great post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. So when the MSM ignores the black pride vote, and winces at Obama's failure to receive more white votes, they display the signs and symptoms of political correctness and white guilt.
I never defended the MSM's.
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Didn't say you did, it's just an observation on how the MSM shapes racial thought.
I don't think you get that there is no fixing this.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Yes, there is. The Roman empire was fixed when the citizens got too lazy and addicted to entertainments. The barbarians took over and 'a new world order' emerged. We are probably at the end of the cycle that began with the fall of Rome and the massive migrations from Asia.
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Indeed. As one commentator said last night, if Appalachia were a country, Hillary could be its queen. But the country is not just Appalachia (thank God). Clearly Obama has a hillbilly problem. The only thing worse than not getting the hillbilly vote is...well...getting it. An analyst showed last night that the hillbilly Democrat vote went overwhelmingly for Bush in 2004. In other words, they like fascism almost as much as moonshine. A more pitiful bunch of voters there never were. Obama's better off without 'em.
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You know what else is pitiful? Delusional people who think obummer is the savior of America. You used to know that establishment politicians weren't worth the powder it would take to blow them away, or at least pretended to. What a tool you turned out to be! You can be sure your masters in the establishment are proud of you as they are all useful idiots.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. If you consider being invaded and taken over as a solution, that's already happened. In addition, without an invasion, the Saudis and OPEC are bringing us to our knees.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Well, to write off OH, PA, KY and WV is to lose to McCain. The Rev Wright issue and his bitter, guns and bibles comment resonated in these hills and I assume they will in other pockets of the country where Americans still outnumber socialists.
I don't think Obama's gonna write em off. He's gonna a pick a veep that's a REAL hillbilly, one who hasn't forgotten his heritage of freedom (unlike his now reflexively pro-fascist kin). Jimmy Webb, baby! That's a winning ticket if there ever was one. He'll get the hillbillies back to where they need to be -- opposing fascism instead of being its most notoriously lockstepped dupes. Then, all our freedom-fighting hillbilly ancestors (the ones who gave no quarter or comfort to tyrants - ever) might finally stop spinning in their graves.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
I don't think all this blow really matters. The economy has sailed off the cliff and discussing who's holding the reins or going to be is somewhat moot.
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
Yeppers. I have had more than a bellyful of the remarks made about the *hillbillies* that voted yesterday. I have lived in Kentucky for about 10 years now and out of all the states I have lived in, you won't find better people to live around. I don't have to lock my doors, people help each other out and most here would give you the shirt off their back. Most here have kids in Iraq and most have lost their kids to Iraq. They work hard, go to church and try to raise their kids right. They are hardly *uninformed*, *uneducated* or racist.
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This caricature of white, non-Obama voters being pushed by the MSM is going to be Obama's death knell. They are so PC that they are now incapable of honestly discussing the results of a vote. This problem of the left will come back hard to bite the Chosen One come November. The very people you described as your neighbors are depicted as HS educated, working class. Can anyone tell me how they culled out that demographic? The last census was nearly 9 years ago and god knows how many folks continued their education, moved out, while others moved in. And most important, who gives a rip? When O gets 92% of the black vote are their educational backgrounds discussed? Their work habits? Saint Obama will have a positive effect on this country in that he will wake some folks up to an agenda to marginalize people b/c of their color, that color would be white.
are most of them republicans? and how do they feel about bush and the continuation of the war?
Funny. The Washington Post this morning is reporting something very different.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
He won by 16 points.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Oxford..... If he can't get the Oregon white vote (only a split???) he'd need to reconsider his career options.
A double-digit victory is a split? I guess, in a sense, a 99-1 split is a split too.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I'll come back to this tonight, I have to get to work, I am running behind now as it is :P
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ok, looking forward to it.
The Saviour has a white hillbilly problem that just might damage him badly in November. That is what Hillary has exposed, I suppose intentionally, as she and McCain are buds. Why else whould she be doing this?
It is a good thing she exposed where Obama needs to focus his efforts in his campaign to beat McCain this November. It is a strength in the Democratic Party that this happened, not a weakness. She and others will work hard this Summer and Autumn to unify the party and get people focused on the task on hand of beating John McCain. When all is said and done in November, he will be snubbed as an extension of the failed Bush administration.
He will lose by just as much or more in Puerto Rico than he won by in Oregon. Puerto Ricans really know how to get the vote out. Look for over 1 million voters easily, possibly 2 million.
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That's blasphemy. Come hear Uncle Ron's band...
"HOLODOMOR" is Ukrainian word for "FAMINE-GENOCIDE"
#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
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Oregon, is 90% white, I heard.
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
#9. To: RickyJ (#6)
#10. To: buckeye (#8)
It's stunning that Hillary is seen as the least threatening candidate to them. This illustrates just how far we have fallen in the past 16 years.
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#11)
It's not clear how big a role racism is playing in this.
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
(Edited)
This is the talk since PA. He isn't getting the WWC (white working class) aka (toothless small towners)
#15. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#14)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
#17. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#14)
#18. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#14)
It could be that 'the working class' doesn't like him
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Wow. The nation is fractured.
#20. To: RickyJ (#19)
#21. To: justlurking (#20)
The blacks I spoke with had the following reasons for not voting:
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
#23. To: justlurking (#22)
#24. To: justlurking (#20)
I work in a call center
#25. To: RickyJ (#24)
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
He has a problem
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
"Oregon, is 90% white, I heard. Are you saying that Hillary beat Obama 75% to 25% in Oregon?"
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
#29. To: TwentyTwelve (#28)
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
his brand of redistributionism
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...0/primary.wrap/index.html
#32. To: angle (#30)
#33. To: angle (#31)
Read...who is going to be able to buy the majority of the "superdelegates"?
#34. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32)
#35. To: angle (#34)
- More gov't help with low income kids' education, including more support for ghetto schools.
- Eliminating the Social Security tax for the lower income but that would be hard because there's already the 'earned income' tax credit that is meant to eliminate it.
#36. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#33)
Hillary lost already.
#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#35)
Can you think of any other way in which Obama may benefit our enemy, 'the lazy and the poor'?
#38. To: angle (#37)
#39. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#11)
It's not clear how big a role racism is playing in this.
#40. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#38)
If the government forces redistributions unto undeserving others then they could be viewed as the enemies of the self-sustained
#41. To: Old Friend (#39)
(Edited)
#42. To: angle (#40)
One of the biggest ways the gov't does this is by its expansion. Non producing government workers are the way the gov't (Obama included) cultivates parasites on the working class.
#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#41)
#44. To: angle (#37)
Your enemy is the lazy and the poor? They aren't my enemy, they're the manifestation of a non workable society of which Obama, McCain and Rodham promise you more.
Lord Acton
#45. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#41)
Most blacks vote for Obama out of race pride, no question
#46. To: Jethro Tull (#45)
#47. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#46)
#48. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#42)
#49. To: angle (#48)
(Edited)
#50. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Jethro Tull (#14)
(Edited)
Yes, but if the Whites of Kentucky reject Obama and the Whites of Oregon embrace him, you need to find something other than Whiteness to understand what's going on.
#51. To: Arator (#50)
Clearly Obama has a hillbilly problem. The only thing worse than not getting the hillbilly vote is...well...getting it. An analyst showed last night that the hillbilly democrat vote went overwhelmingly for Bush in 2004. In other words, they like fascism almost as much as moonshine. Which is pitiful. Just pitiful.
Lord Acton
#52. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#49)
#53. To: Arator (#50)
A more pitiful bunch of voters there never were. Obama's better off without 'em.
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
(Edited)
Well, to write off OH, PA, KY and WV is to lose to McCain.
#55. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
#56. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
write off OH, PA, KY and WV is to lose to McCain.
#57. To: justlurking (#56)
#58. To: justlurking (#56)
Most here have kids in Iraq and most have lost their kids to Iraq
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Kentucky's Democratic electorate proved tailor-made for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, as her most reliable voters turned out in large numbers, giving her a win of better than 2 to 1 over Sen. Barack Obama. But Obama scored a rare double-digit win among white voters in Oregon, capitalizing on that state's more liberal electorate.
#60. To: RickyJ (#12)
Obama will probably win Oregon, but not by double digits.
#61. To: aristeides (#59)
But Obama scored a rare double-digit win among white voters in Oregon,
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
#63. To: christine (#58)
#64. To: justlurking (#63)
#65. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch! Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead. Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed. Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go, Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out. Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low. Let them know The Wicked Witch is dead!
#66. To: aristeides (#62)
#67. To: angle, FOH, wudidiz (#55)
The economy has sailed off the cliff and discussing who's holding the reins or going to be is somewhat moot.
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#69. To: TwentyTwelve (#67)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#70. To: aristeides (#60)
He won by 16 points.
#71. To: Ferret Mike (#69)
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