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Title: Clinton Wins Big In Kentucky - New York Senator Leading Obama By More Than 30 Points In Bluegrass State
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Published: May 20, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-20 21:55:42 by mirage
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(CBS/AP) Sen. Hillary Clinton coasted to easy victory in the Kentucky primary on Tuesday. With almost all precincts reporting in Kentucky, Clinton leads Sen. Barack Obama 65 percent to 30 percent. "This is one of the closest races for a party's nomination in modern history," Clinton told supporters celebrating her victory. "We're winning the popular vote, and I'm more determined than ever to see that every vote is cast and every ballot is counted." Even so, she commended Obama and said whatever their differences, "we do see eye to eye when it comes to uniting our party and electing a Democratic president this fall." She also said Michigan and Florida Democrats deserve to have their votes counted, a reference to the lingering controversy surrounding primaries in both states held in defiance of Democratic National Committee rules. Clinton and Obama also compete in Oregon on Tuesday, the latest contests in a historic Democratic presidential race moving inexorably his way. Oregon has a vote-by-mail system and ballots are due at 11 p.m. ET. According to latest CBS News count, Obama now has a total 1,924 delegates, which leaves him just over 100 away from the 2,026 needed to capture the nomination. The former first lady has 1,747. (See the full state-by-state tally) Obama is also closing in on taking a majority of pledged delegates, not including Democratic superdelegates. He has 1,619 pledged delegates to Clinton's 1,471. He needs eight more to get a majority of those to be allocated. However, that count does not include Michigan and Florida, which the Clinton campaign argues should be included. According to CBS News early exit polling, in Kentucky, eight in 10 Clinton voters said they would be dissatisfied if Obama was the Democratic nominee. Obama voters were about evenly split on whether they would be satisfied if Clinton got the nomination. (Read more from the exit polls.) In Kentucky, just 33 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Obama in the general election if he is the Democratic nominee - 41 percent said they will vote for McCain, and another 23 percent say they won’t vote. Oregon voters felt differently on that question, according to the exit poll. A majority of Clinton and Obama voters in the state would be satisfied if their opponent got the nomination. And 68 percent of Clinton voters say they will back Obama in the general election if he is the nominee and 80 percent of Obama voters say they will back Clinton in the general election. Democratic voters in both states said the economy was the most important issue, with 65 percent of voters in Kentucky saying that. Voters differed, however, on whether to suspend the gas tax was a good idea. In Kentucky, 57 percent thought it would be good idea and 39 percent said it would not be. In Oregon, 63 percent said they thought it would be a bad idea and 26 percent said it would be a good idea. Since the vote is by mail in Oregon, the exit poll was taken by telephone and completed on Sunday. Regardless of the results of the night's two primaries, Obama decided to mark a victory of sorts. He arranged an evening appearance in Iowa, site of his critical Jan. 3 caucus triumph, to claim a majority of the delegates at stake in all 56 contests on the campaign calendar. CBS News correspondent Dean Reynolds reports that Obama wants to further the impression that he is the big winner without painting Clinton as the big loser. He won't declare victory, but he does point out the significance of tonight's delegate harvest. "What it means is we've won the majority of delegates that have been assigned by voters during the primaries and caucuses," Obama said in an interview with CBS News. "Hopefully we'll be able to secure the nomination in the coming weeks and then focus our attention on the real choice that the American people are going to have." Clinton looked for a consolation for the strongest presidential campaign of any woman in history. She hoped to finish with more votes than her rival in all the contests combined, including Florida and Michigan, which were striped of their delegates by the national party for moving up their primary dates. Campaigning with his wife in Kentucky, former President Clinton dismissed Obama's inevitable claim on pledged delegates. "There won't be tonight, unless you decapitate Michigan and Florida, which violates our values and is dumb politics," Bill Clinton said. Kentucky, where Clinton concentrated much of her efforts in recent days, had 51 convention delegates at stake. Clinton and her husband spent more than an hour Tuesday morning working the room at a diner in Louisville. They signed autographs, cuddled a baby and shook hands with diners, some of whom told the former first lady they had already voted for her. "I'm going to work hard for you," she replied to one woman who volunteered she'd voted for Clinton. Oregon, where Obama invested his time and drew a crowd estimated by police at 75,000 over the weekend, had 52 delegates at stake. The state also had the distinction of staging the only contest without a designated polling day. Instead, under a vote-by-mail system, election officials tallied all ballots received by 11 p.m. on primary day. Obama was favored in Oregon, where supporters delivered the largest crowd of his campaign on Sunday. The only primaries remaining are Puerto Rico, on June 1, followed two days later by South Dakota and Montana. Increasingly, Obama has been concentrating his campaign on John McCain, the Republican nominee-in-waiting, rather than on Clinton. The former first lady has jettisoned the sharp attacks against Obama that characterized the race only a few weeks ago, although she bristled on Monday at his decision to focus on the fall campaign. "You can declare yourself anything, but if you don't have the votes, it doesn't matter," she said in a satellite interview with an Oregon television station. Even so, there was no shortage of signs that the closest Democratic nominating campaign in a generation was reaching its final stages after drawing more than 33 million voters to the polls and shattering numerous turnout records along the way. Former Sen. Tom Daschle, a key Obama adviser, said now is the time for Democrats to coalesce behind Obama in order to defeat Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain. "We want to begin the process of bringing this party together, and I think that over the last few weeks we've seen indications at virtually all levels in both campaigns that there's a desire to do that," Daschle told CBS News' "The Early Show" Tuesday morning. "That doesn't mean we're going to do it tomorrow or the next day, but clearly there is a desire to unify. We know that the differences between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton pale by comparison [to] the differences that we now see between Barack Obama and John McCain." As recently as May 6, Obama trailed Clinton among superdelegates, officeholders and party leaders who will attend the national convention by virtue of their positions. But in the days following his convincing victory in the North Carolina primary and his narrow defeat in Indiana, Obama has gained the support of dozens of superdelegates and taken the lead in that category. Clinton has gained far fewer over that period. Obama also has picked up the endorsement of former Sen. John Edwards, who dropped out of the race in the early going; two labor unions, and NARAL Pro-Choice America. The abortion rights advocacy organization has supported Clinton throughout her political career. Fundraisers for the two campaigns have held quiet discussions on working together in the fall campaign. Additionally, Obama's top strategist, David Axelrod, disclosed he had contacted Clinton's former campaign manager about joining forces for the general election. Patti Solis Doyle confirmed what she called informal conversations about how she might help the Illinois senator if, as expected, he secures the presidential nomination.
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#1. To: mirage (#0)
Totally meaningless. Just bitter small town working class people. Oregon is where it is, smart, educated money makers.
Totally meaningless. Just bitter small town working class people. Oregon is where it is, smart, educated money makers. Really? I need to move up there and find me a rich woman. I am tired of working for a living. :) Oregon sounds like a bunch of tree huggers to me. I might visit there but would never live among such idiots.
God is always good!
What smart educated money makers?
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
Ferret Mike said the 75,000 that turned out were were educated money makers. Those dumb hill billies in KY have no appreciation for the finer things. They are content to do honest manual labor, go to church and hunt now and then.
Apparently tree hugging pays. Who knew? I imagine Mike Ferret is rich if that is the case.
God is always good!
Wait till we get a boatload of guest-worker tree huggers. Culti-multural is way gooder for our nashun.
That estimate has already been cut to 40,000. Also, one forgets that in downtown is Portland State University with a student body of 35,000 and just up on the hill is Oregon Health Sciences University which is the largest employer in Portland -- with a lot of students there too. There are educated people, but not educated money makers. Intel pays the most corporate income tax in Oregon, not Nike, and not any "local educated money maker".
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
Let's not forget that they go vote too. CNN's blogs are full of vicious sterotype comments about Kentuckians while in the same breath, they holler that the only way anyone could have voted for Hillary was because they just couldn't vote for a black man. Therefore, Hillary got all the *racist* votes. Not to mention the obligatory comments about *uneducated* voters. Obama's supporters will cost him the election in the long run.
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Per exit polls and what one sees online, Obama Supporters can be broken down into three categories: - The African American vote That's about it according to the numbers being published. An election cannot be won with that alone. The problem is Political Correctness. Obama's supporters are playing the "Vote Obama or you're a racist" card. That only goes so far before people get turned off to the candidate as a result. The same thing went on with Ron Paul's campaign. A lot of Ron's supporters were - shall we say - villified groups as far as the mainstream is concerned. The 9/11 Truth Movement's support for Paul did a lot of damage to him. But, November is a long way off. We'll have to wait until then to see what happens.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
Also, one forgets that in downtown is Portland State University with a student body of 35,000 and just up on the hill is Oregon Health Sciences University which is the largest employer in Portland -- with a lot of students there too. I hadn't heard the downward revision. I'd heard 50K, then 65K, then 75, then 80K!
A whole lot of people at work saw those blogs in action today. Needless to say, a whole lot of folks got completely turned off. CNN was in town at one of our polling places, they wouldn't even speak to a Republican, they honed in strictly on the Democrats coming out of the booth.
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70k turned out for Kerry/Edwards too, and they still lost.
Bush: Worst President Ever
Of course. Controversy is news. Whether the percentage voting against McCain is 20 or 30 percent is not.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
Bare knuckles back room politics, where the real decisions are made..... The boys in the back room are aware that the white majority of this country will NOT vote Obama for president. Rendell, Ferraro and the mayor of Philly have told them so. Obama was created from nothing, created for a purpose, he is useful and is expendable. The call is for the back room to make a decision. They understand that the MAJORITY of white America did not vote in the primaries, they are the unknown. Will the Obama creators gamble on the unknown???? White majority Americans will elect the next president, they have not spoken, but they will.
They don't have money? Well there goes my plans for finding me a rich babe there.
God is always good!
Maybe not Obama due to his politics and gaffes but they would probably vote for Larry Elder. Let's be clear here - the vast overwhelming majority of Americans don't particularly care what color you are so long as you make sense to them. ...unless its a minority candidate and then the members of that minority ethnic group tend to fall in line....
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
It will be interesting to compare the turnout and demographics for Kerry v Obama. !!!
Average income in OR is very much below the national average.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
I would disagree and the proof lies in the past and current primaries. The black vote has been for Obama at 92 per cent and above, consistent. Somehow I cannot accept that those voters all agree in overwhelming numbers that Obama has the best message. Politics does not work that way. I suspect that that huge majority are voting along racial lines. Now it is considered racist for white to vote racial lines. Governor Rendell took the heat but spoke the truth, this country will not vote for a black president. Case in point, no African country with a black majority has a white president, none. Israel has a large black minority, do they have a black leader? Of course not, are there any blacks in their government? Of course not. People are the same the world over, they go with their own. We are no different.
I guess a liberal arts education doesn't pay.
God is always good!
Exactly. I haven't fallen on to the Obama bandwagon, not because he is black, please, I work with all colors and sexual orientations and transgenders you can imagine. To each his own, overall most are good people. He simply does not connect with me. However, according to his supporters on the various blogs, I didn't vote for him because I am an uneducated, uninformed white racist. I won't soon forget that. His supporters are lacking in the "How to Win Friends and Influence People" catagory. How ironic considering how *educated* and *informed* they are suppose to be.
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They 'win' regardless.. Perhaps they are debating the carnage... The pubs are completely melting down.. I'd say destroyed was putting it nicely. I think McCain has spoken two days in the last week, and each time is a disaster. The dems are also bent on self-destruction and just for kicks, stirring fires for chaos. The pollsters and media headjobs have been clucking about the pain that will follow if the nomination is stolen from the incredible and marvelous, arugula crowned, Bitter Gramma hater, and his lovely 'That Girl' appendage. More notably, the pollsters have been *trying* to tell said media headjobs, that Mr. O is going to have to reach out, since he really is unkown to many, and must spend the time to introduce himself. Even Harold Ford Jr. gets it. But nooooooooo.. let's just count the important states... shall we? Anyway, we are being railroaded and robbed. There will be camera's to capture it, I'm sure.
I won't soon forget that. His supporters are lacking in the "How to Win Friends and Influence People" catagory. How ironic considering how *educated* and *informed* they are suppose to be. Well well, validation.. Or validatification... in Bushspeeeek. Great post.
We'll have to agree to disagree, but I understand your point. My contention is that a black candidate with less baggage than Obama and/or Jesse Jackson has a good shot at the Presidency and can likely win. I respectfully submit Larry Elder as one such example. Alan Keyes is simply too far "out there" for consideration and it has nothing to do with his color. He's just pretty far out there. Down in Silicon Valley, you should talk to the East Indians and the Chinese. They'll confirm everything that you are talking about, right down to "No black man will ever..." The rest of us tend to do tribalism on a little different level. Geeks become their own tribe regardless of color. Bowlers do similarly. Its breaking down more into thought patterns, religious affiliations, and professions. Elites, on the other hand, have a desire for "firsts" whether or not it is even important to the history books. That's why the news media's fixation on the Democrat Primary.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
the purpose....racial strife?
Funny you should mention that. I ran into a big leftie Yellow Dog Democrat type here not too long ago who claimed he was "stuck in Texas" (rolling his eyes as he said it) for "three years too long". Evidently he was there for three years in total. Fortunately, so he said, he was in Austin which was the only island of sanity in the whole state. The lesson? While liberals preach tolerance, they practice hatred.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
My view is this, $250 million dollars have been spent directly on Obama, no one knows how much more. Once Obama becomes a loser, he is no longer of any value. If McKooK is president, what do the Obama people have to show for their money except a loser? To retain his value and usefulness, Obama MUST win the presidency OR become VP. Someone has to make the choice. AS VP he would be worth a fortune. Do they gamble or not????
You better believe it, in all it's nasty glory to be repeated ad nauseum every 15 mins for two days (or more if it's really bad or just a slow news day).
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Indeed and it shows here on 4um. Obama is a useful commodity as a winner, as a loser he is worth nothing. He must win the presidency or accept VP. A safe bettor would go for the VP. To risk all and end with nothing would be foolish.
Current OR results: 17% reporting McCain: 86% No other Republican candidates are on the ballot in OR.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
After reading some of the crap I have read over the past few months, I whole heartedly agree. Change *snort*, my ass.
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I read somewhere that no one has won the presidency in the last 40 years or so that did NOT carry WV.
Go live in the San Francisco Bay Area for a few years. You'll discover just how "tolerant" the libs really are.
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
.......when you look at the earlier aggregate rural vote on Super Tuesday, the preference for Clinton is clearly not confined to Appalachia. Combining the results from 22 diverse states in the Northeast, South, Midwest and West on Feb. 5, Clinton beat Obama 55 percent to 38 percent among rural voters, according to an analysis in DailyYonder.com, the news Web site of the organization I head, the Center for Rural Strategies. http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/05/20/appalachia/
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Once Obama becomes a loser, he is no longer of any value. If McKooK is president, what do the Obama people have to show for their money except a loser? To retain his value and usefulness, Obama MUST win the presidency OR become VP. Someone has to make the choice. AS VP he would be worth a fortune. Do they gamble or not???? An 'appeaser' would not be the palatable investment. For that kind of cash, we're not talking about a bunch that's fine with forking out money for nothing.
Ratings!
No other Republican candidates are on the ballot in OR. This is totally messing up my opinion of OR voters. No fair! ;) I look forward to the final raw numbers. Thanks for the ping Mirage.
I'm keeping a tally on the other Oregon thread I started. I know, I know, I'll be chastized for posting too much today...
McCain/Obama '08 -- Because the next step is Socialism rather than Freedom.
I know, I know, I'll be chastized for posting too much today... Not by me...!
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080521/ap_on_el_pr/clinton Clinton calls victory in Kentucky a vote of confidence By SARA KUGLER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 41 minutes ago LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Hillary Rodham Clinton cast her victory in Kentucky as an overwhelming vote of confidence Tuesday and said she's still running for president not to demonstrate that she's tough but to ensure that Democrats retake the White House......
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSen. Hillary Clinton coasted to easy victory in the Kentucky primary on Tuesday.
#2. To: Cynicom, Mirage (#1)
Sen. Hillary Clinton coasted to easy victory in the Kentucky primary on Tuesday.
#3. To: Cynicom (#1)
Oregon is where it is, smart, educated money makers.
#4. To: Cynicom (#1)
Oregon is where it is, smart, educated money makers.
#5. To: mirage (#4)
#6. To: mirage (#4)
What smart educated money makers?
#7. To: RickyJ (#6)
Apparently tree hugging pays. Who knew? I imagine Mike Ferret is rich if that is the case.
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
Ferret Mike said the 75,000 that turned out were were educated money makers.
#9. To: Cynicom (#5)
They are content to do honest manual labor, go to church and hunt now and then.
#10. To: justlurking (#9)
Obama's supporters will cost him the election in the long run.
- Students and people under the age of 30
- "Elites"
#11. To: mirage (#8)
That estimate has already been cut to 40,000.
#12. To: mirage (#10)
Obama's supporters are playing the "Vote Obama or you're a racist" card. That only goes so far before people get turned off to the candidate as a result.
#13. To: Peppa (#11)
#14. To: justlurking (#12)
CNN was in town at one of our polling places, they wouldn't even speak to a Republican, they honed in strictly on the Democrats coming out of the booth.
#15. To: justlurking, mirage, peppa, christine (#9)
Sen. Hillary Clinton coasted to easy victory in the Kentucky primary on Tuesday.
#16. To: mirage (#8)
There are educated people, but not educated money makers.
#17. To: Cynicom (#15)
The boys in the back room are aware that the white majority of this country will NOT vote Obama for president.
#18. To: justlurking (#13)
70k turned out for Kerry/Edwards too, and they still lost.
#19. To: RickyJ (#16)
They don't have money?
#20. To: mirage (#17)
(Edited)
Let's be clear here - the vast overwhelming majority of Americans don't particularly care what color you are so long as you make sense to them.
#21. To: mirage (#19)
Average income in OR is very much below the national average.
#22. To: mirage (#17)
the vast overwhelming majority of Americans don't particularly care what color you are so long as you make sense to them.
#23. To: Cynicom (#15)
Will the Obama creators gamble on the unknown????
#24. To: justlurking (#22)
, I didn't vote for him because I am an uneducated, uninformed white racist.
#25. To: Cynicom (#20)
I would disagree and the proof lies in the past and current primaries.
#26. To: Cynicom (#15)
Obama was created from nothing, created for a purpose, he is useful
#27. To: justlurking (#22)
His supporters are lacking in the "How to Win Friends and Influence People" catagory. How ironic considering how *educated* and *informed* they are suppose to be.
#28. To: Peppa (#23)
They 'win' regardless.. Perhaps they are debating the carnage.
#29. To: Peppa (#23)
There will be camera's to capture it, I'm sure.
#30. To: christine (#26)
the purpose....racial strife?
#31. To: christine, Ferret Mike, Cynicom, RickyJ, Peppa, Jethro Tull (#0)
(Edited)
Obama - 61% [115,719 votes]
Clinton - 39% [74,884 votes]
Paul: 14%
#32. To: mirage (#27)
While liberals preach tolerance, they practice hatred.
#33. To: justlurking (#32)
#34. To: justlurking (#32)
After reading some of the crap I have read over the past few months, I whole heartedly agree.
#35. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#33)
#36. To: Cynicom (#28)
My view is this, $250 million dollars have been spent directly on Obama, no one knows how much more.
#37. To: justlurking (#29)
You better believe it, in all it's nasty glory to be repeated ad nauseum every 15 mins for two days (or more if it's really bad or just a slow news day).
#38. To: mirage (#31)
McCain: 86% Paul: 14%
#39. To: Peppa (#38)
#40. To: mirage (#39)
I'm keeping a tally on the other Oregon thread I started.
#41. To: mirage (#0)
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