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Title: Jim Webb (Obama's Future Veep) Sets a Vision for Uniting Blacks and Hillbilly Whites In Common Cause
Source: Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/ ... speaks-out-on-ra_n_102915.html
Published: May 21, 2008
Author: Jim Webb
Post Date: 2008-05-21 19:21:03 by Arator
Keywords: Webb, Veep, Victory
Views: 345
Comments: 28

It's refreshing when someone makes the effort to advance the discussion of this year's election beyond debating a black/white divide. So when that someone is oft-mentioned potential Democratic running mate Jim Webb, it's worth taking note.

Webb appeared on Morning Joe today to speak about his newest book, A Time to Fight: Reclaiming a Fair and Just America, and to dodge questions about whether he would accept a spot on Barack Obama's presidential ticket. But since the Kentucky primary had just provided pundits with fodder to discuss the ever-popular "Does Obama have a working whites problem?" Webb weighed in on the election results and his Scots-Irish heritage.

The Virginia senator suggested that race is indeed a factor in Obama's poor performance among white voters along the east of the country, saying, "we shouldn't be surprised by the way they're voting now." But he bristled at what he suggested is a simplistic interpretation of the issue. "When I hear people say this is racism, my back gets up a little bit, because that's my cultural group."

Webb sought to explain what motivates Scots-Irish Americans. First, says Webb, it's not a generic race or geographic label, but rather "a very powerful cultural group that's always underestimated, and it's not always in the Appalachian mountains." And the issue is not Obama himself, who Webb thinks is "saying a lot of good things that will appeal to this cultural group in time."

Rather, Webb -- whose previous book Born Fighting explores the effect of Scots-Irish culture on America's formation -- argued that Scots-Irish voters' unwillingness to support Obama is less about the candidate himself, than about a sense of injustice among the community manifested by the government assistance afforded to minorities in the post-Civil Rights Era:

This isn't Selma, 1965. This is a result of how affirmative action, which was basically a justifiable concept when it applied to African Americans, expanded to every single ethnic group in America that was not white, and these were the people who had not received benefits and were not getting anything out of it. And they're basically saying let's pay attention to what has happened to this cultural group in terms of opportunities.

Webb even drew a parallel between this bloc and African Americans, suggesting that their grievances with and needs from the federal government are remarkably similar.

Black America and Scots-Irish America are like tortured siblings. They both have long history and they both missed the boat when it came to the larger benefits that a lot of other people were able to receive. There's a saying in the Appalachian mountains that they say to one another, and it's, "if you're poor and white, you're out of sight." ...

If this cultural group could get at the same table as black America you could rechange populist American politics. Because they have so much in common in terms of what they need out of government.

A powerful coalition indeed. If only there were two politicians who understood these cultures, and had the desire and capacity to unity them for a common cause...


Poster Comment:

I love Jim Webb. He's my peeps. He knows what's what. If he and Obama can get together, it's lights out for the GOP.

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#14. To: Arator (#0)

There's a saying in the Appalachian mountains that they say to one another, and it's, "if you're poor and white, you're out of sight." ...

Oh gawd.......give me a break.........not another friggin VICTIM!!!

Get over it, arator. You're a long ways removed from the commonly-held ancestry of scots-irish! Are you wanting 40 and a mule, too?

rowdee  posted on  2008-05-21   21:30:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rowdee, arator (#14)

There's a saying in the Appalachian mountains that they say to one another, and it's, "if you're poor and white, you're out of sight." ...

Oh gawd.......give me a break.........not another friggin VICTIM!!!

Get over it, arator. You're a long ways removed from the commonly-held ancestry of scots-irish! Are you wanting 40 and a mule, too?

I've heard this said many times as a kid but (growing up in Norfolk, VA) I never understood how whites could reach that point.

in the late 70's when I moved to Iowa to build the first microcomputer store in the state (and the APPLE COMPUTER distributor for the midwest) I was working for a really meager wage, and there were simply no other ways to hustle a side buck there! (Wifey was commuting to Rock Island to work as a medical secretary and I was a computer store manager and we didn't make $400 a week between us!)

John Deere was on strike and money was real tight, and I wasn't a farmer or welder (for trailer hitches etc.,.) and I had no skills to offer the ag industry. Back home there was always some way I could pick up a few bills on the side, but the only things I could do in IOWA was play music in a bowling alley or a "knock down-drag out" country bar on the weekends that payed very little and was often in very cold and snowy conditions, or, I could use my pickup truck to do odd hauling for a major meat packing company. (ARMOUR)

Well, I was given the assignment to go to Peoria, Ill and pick up a load of desk chairs and when I arrived I learned that they weren't there and the guy had sent me to the wrong place.

When I returned I went to get paid for my gas and time, and the mgr said that if I insisted on penalizing him for his mistake then he couldn't use my services any longer!

He expected me to absorb the gas for the 160 mile round trip and the four hours (on two lane black top) of deadhead time and pay me nothing because he too, knew how hard it was to hustle a side buck there. I mean not getting paid for my time is one thing. But with the gas I burned I damn sure wasn't going to subsidize a multi bazillion dollar corporation!

He paid me and I never worked for him again. If I didn't have a job at all I suppose he'd have had me over a barrel, but I just couldn't let him shit on me because I would never do that to others, and there would have been no incentive for him to be careful before dispatching me on long trips. In fact, I'll always wonder if he did it on purpose just to see if I was hungry enough. There was certainly no shaming him, and I found it hard to believe that he could have made that mistake anyway.

Anyway, in a state like Iowa or West Virginia where people actually compete for limited resources, and where it's blatantly obvious that blacks are (as I mentioned in an earlier post) given preferential treatment, it's understandable (if not a strong point of racial pride) why whites grumble and say "if you're poor and white, you're out of sight."

It was a real experience to work in a dead economy, and I didn't know there was such a thing anywhere in the US before that. And then I understood what those Caucasian folks meant who said that to me as a kid in VA. Unlike many blacks they'd work if the could. But, if they were on layoff or disability from a coal mine and had no other marketable skills (I mean there ain't even any junk hauling there! It just sits on the side of the mountain next to the shacks that folks live in!) and they saw black folks in line buying $150 of groceries while whites with children only got $30 worth of food stamps, well, how could they not notice and feel some resentment toward the state?

When life is that gritty they just can't afford excess pride or to be offended as you and I were when we heard that saying that arator quoted.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-05-25   5:12:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#23)

I found it hard to believe that he could have made that mistake anyway.

You understimate the incompetency of some people. Especially those employed by the gubmint.

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