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Title: Concerning A False Prophet [Hagee's Rapture Cult Must Read]
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URL Source: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jew ... #Book_VI,_Chapter_V,_Section_2
Published: May 22, 2008
Author: ?
Post Date: 2008-05-22 11:30:10 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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Views: 2660
Comments: 73

".....Book VI, Chapter V, Section 2 (Entire)

Concerning A False Prophet

2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward (1). They also burnt down the treasury-chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods, there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers, [to contain such furniture.] The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children and a great mixed multitude of the people fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined anything about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set the cloister of fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of these escape with his life.

A false prophet* (2) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get up upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now, there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose upon the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now, a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such deliverance (3).

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

PRETERIST PERSPECTIVES

1. Isaiah 1:7; 26:11; 33:12; 66:15; Jeremiah 5:14; 7:20; Matthew 3:11-12; 13:40, etc.

Matthew 24:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many......."

EXCERPT:

VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR

TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM AN THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW

POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological

INVESTIGATING CORRELATIONS BETWEEN JOSEPHUS' ACCOUNT AND THE FIRST CENTURY FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY

"And all this prophecy of what would result from their insolence against the Christ has been clearly proved to have taken place after their plot against our Saviour. For it was not before it, but afterwards from that day to this that God turned their feasts into mourning, despoiled them of their famous mother-city, and destroyed the holy Temple therein when Titus and Vespasian were Emperors of Rome, so that they could no longer go up to keep their feasts and sacred meetings. I need not say that a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord has overtaken them all, in return for their rejection of the Word of God; since with one voice they refused Him, so He refuses them." (AD 310s - Eusebius, Demonstratio Evangelica, X) Jesus Predicting Fall of Temple in Word

"Behold, Your House is Left to you Desolate"
Luke 13:35........"

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0) (Edited)

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

[scratch "Jews", insert Christian Zionists]

Jhn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/17/15.html

Rev 2:11 — He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/2/11.html

Mat 13:36 ¶ Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear......

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#41

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   11:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#1)

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

That is a mistranslation.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon". G165 ±¹É½ aion ahee-ohn' From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

Greek for "world" is kosmos. G2889 º¿ü¿Â kosmos kos'-mos Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

The mistranslation changes the meaning entirely.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:23:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: PSUSA (#2)

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this "world".

[world = age...and so they were, the subject of the preteristarchive Jewish Wars link]

Well, as all scripture is given for an example, one could go to Ezekiel 38-39, Rev. 20:7-10, and www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/14/12.html , and argue that Mat. 13:40 is precedent for the future.

I didn't expect hardly anyone to read this post let alone reply, and I went away to do some other things.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon"...

Greek for "world" is kosmos.

I know without looking that the word "world" can mean the things you say, and I was remiss in not looking up the way it was used here before posting, and I should have, but was trying to make a point, and make it as simple as possible, because my posts get too long and I think nobody reads them. I think everybody has me on bozo. I can't win for losing. Anyway, I am simply hoping to wake up the apsotates in the church and prevent a global nuclear war.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Here the word "world" is translated from "kosmos", and includes not only the government, ORDER OF THINGS, but also the earth itself:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...3&verse=38&version=KJV#38

Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" :

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

"now"

1) at this time, the present, now http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G3568&t=kjv

kosmos:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...8&verse=36&version=KJV#36

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G2889&t=kjv

Jesus made this statement before the crucifixion, of course. The Jews said to crucify Him, they had no king but Caesar. He is the King of Israel, but obviously, His kingdom was not with them, and in fact He told them the kingom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof. He had come to put down the OLD ORDER OF THINGS, the OLD GOVERNMENT, the OLD PRIESTHOOD, the OLD HEAVEN AND EARTH [which to the Jews, meant the city and the temple]....I CREATE ALL THINGS NEW....A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH...A NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD....etc.

We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection:

Psa 115:16 The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/45/18.html

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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   14:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" :

Believe in a rapture? Me? Not hardly. I dont believe in "eternal hell" either, because it is just not there. But to show that to be the case is to make many enemies of people that claim to be Christians.

This can really get convoluted here. It takes away from the point you were making in your OP, and you make an excellent point, imo.

"We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection: "

You're right, it fits. I dont see that as "liberation theology" either. Liberation theology is a perversion of that. I never distilled it down to that before. It fits with the parables too.

The 2nd advent is when He comes back to destroy Satans' works. Surely that has to be real soon. We cannot keep going on like this. We just have to endure and overcome.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22 15:09:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

Not posting this to start an argument because I don't argue about religion. But I saw your comment about the Rapture and wanted to show you what I think is an interesting article about it. Of course you are free to accept or reject it but I believe it.

Isn't it true that the word "rapture" is not found in the Bible?

I've always been totally amazed at how some folks write me and try use the fact that the word “rapture” does not appear in the Bible as an argument against its validity. The issue should be whether or not the concept of the rapture appears in the Bible.

With 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 giving us such a clear description of the rapture, you would have to conclude some people are just playing games with the Word of God. I could change the name of my site to “Catching-Up Ready” to satisfy these folks, but I hardly think that would improve things.

Their logic runs very thin because a huge number of words don't appear in the Bible, including the word “Bible.” Because God's Word was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, one could truthfully say that no English words are found in the Bible. Let's take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 in the original Greek:

4:16 oti autos o kurios en keleusmati en fwnh arcaggelou kai en salpiggi qeou katabhsetai ap ouranou kai oi nekroi en cristw anasthsontai prwton 4:17 epeita hmeis oi zwntes oi perileipomenoi ama sun autois arpaghsomeqa en nefelais eis apanthsin tou kuriou eis aera kai outws pantote sun kuriw esomeqa 4:18 wste parakaleite allhlous en tois logois toutois

I don't see the dead in Christ rising, Jesus descending from Heaven, or us meeting Him in the air. They're right; the word “rapture” is nowhere to be found. All I see is gobbledygook.

For the record, the word “rapture” comes from the Latin word rapturo, which is a translation of the Greek verb "caught up" that’s found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You can call it the “pre-trib rapture,” the “pre-trib rapturo,” or the “pre-trib caught up” - it's all the same thing.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-22 18:17:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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