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Title: Concerning A False Prophet [Hagee's Rapture Cult Must Read]
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URL Source: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jew ... #Book_VI,_Chapter_V,_Section_2
Published: May 22, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-22 11:30:10 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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".....Book VI, Chapter V, Section 2 (Entire) Concerning A False Prophet 2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward (1). They also burnt down the treasury-chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods, there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers, [to contain such furniture.] The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children and a great mixed multitude of the people fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined anything about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set the cloister of fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of these escape with his life. A false prophet* (2) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get up upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now, there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose upon the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now, a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such deliverance (3). Whiston's Footnotes 1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones. PRETERIST PERSPECTIVES 1. Isaiah 1:7; 26:11; 33:12; 66:15; Jeremiah 5:14; 7:20; Matthew 3:11-12; 13:40, etc. Matthew 24:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many......." EXCERPT: VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM AN THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological INVESTIGATING CORRELATIONS BETWEEN JOSEPHUS' ACCOUNT AND THE FIRST CENTURY FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY "And all this prophecy of what would result from their insolence against the Christ has been clearly proved to have taken place after their plot against our Saviour. For it was not before it, but afterwards from that day to this that God turned their feasts into mourning, despoiled them of their famous mother-city, and destroyed the holy Temple therein when Titus and Vespasian were Emperors of Rome, so that they could no longer go up to keep their feasts and sacred meetings. I need not say that a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord has overtaken them all, in return for their rejection of the Word of God; since with one voice they refused Him, so He refuses them." (AD 310s - Eusebius, Demonstratio Evangelica, X) Jesus Predicting Fall of Temple in Word "Behold, Your House is Left to you Desolate"
Luke 13:35........"
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hey nobody. Why have governments througout history tried to destroy the Bible. Nevermind it's over your head.
First off are you a christian or someone sowing doubt? You wouldn't believe me if I told you. Don't you think that God has a perfect word on earth? The KJV isn't it. Third do you speak greek? I don't need to.
I would believe you. If you are going to be telling us what greek means then you do need to know it. Otherwise you are just parroting something.
Gee, ridicule, hardly the response I'd expect from you. Yes that's it, kick back at me, to save the savaged honor of your magic man.
Note that I called you ignorant not stupid. Also I just asked if you don't believe he is real. He is, i'm sorry you don't know him. And no it isn't magic.
Same reason zionists created the holocaust.
Thanks for the gas from your tank, old fart.
So hitler didn't have any Jews killed? Come on now, my grandfather was over there. Don't give me that bullshit.
You wanna a banana?
It's called a sacrifice gambit. Recall the old adage, "you gotta break some eggs ...."
Suck it hard, Jesus-monkey.
Look it up for yourself. It's not hard. It's just rather painful to acknowledge that the KJV Only idolators have lied to you for all these years.
Right, it's much better than magic -- it's holy shit, and if you start knocking it, then imaginary clean-living righteous zombie scum will crawl out of the woodwork to defend it against you. Try it and see. It'll be zombie hell on earth. But hey, that'll just be a different cross for you to bear ... and not a very different one at that. I've tried them both. Can't decide which is worse yet.
I don't know that I am a KFV onlyer. But I definately see flaws in the NIV and NKJV. The Bishops Bible is probably accurate too as far as I have been able to tell. You never answered the question of you are a christian. That way I know if you are someone trying to find the truth. Or someone just throwing up stumblingblocks.
I am a Christian, and I am not throwing up stumbling blocks. it's not so much that the KJV is "bad". It's almost impossible to translate from 2 dead languages into 1 modern language. you can read the preface from the KJV translators here: http://www.kjv-only.com/1611pref.html and it backs me up. Errors remain after who knows how many revisions. I just pointed out 1 error. We can find these errors because we have tools that the KJV translators did not have. Find these errors and inconsistencies and it all makes sense. If you value scripture, you'll do it. If you prefer to be spoonfed by the wolves that are fattening you up for the kill, then you won't.
God said in his word that it would be translated into many languages. So I believe that God would preserve his word perfectly. I think he is powerful enough to do that. To not do that would be cruel and leave us with errors and doubt. Do you think there is a version in english here on earth that is flawless. If so please share what you think it is. Thanks.
It's possibly the "gotta break eggs" vs. the "made lemonade out of lemons" battle of historians at stake here, and all I gotta say is - cute lemonade stand there, pops.
OK then, which version is "perfect", and how can you prove it? Answer that, and I will answer your question.
[world = age...and so they were, the subject of the preteristarchive Jewish Wars link] Well, as all scripture is given for an example, one could go to Ezekiel 38-39, Rev. 20:7-10, and www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/14/12.html , and argue that Mat. 13:40 is precedent for the future. I didn't expect hardly anyone to read this post let alone reply, and I went away to do some other things. The word "world" should be "age" or "eon"... Greek for "world" is kosmos. I know without looking that the word "world" can mean the things you say, and I was remiss in not looking up the way it was used here before posting, and I should have, but was trying to make a point, and make it as simple as possible, because my posts get too long and I think nobody reads them. I think everybody has me on bozo. I can't win for losing. Anyway, I am simply hoping to wake up the apsotates in the church and prevent a global nuclear war. Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one]; Here the word "world" is translated from "kosmos", and includes not only the government, ORDER OF THINGS, but also the earth itself: http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...3&verse=38&version=KJV#38 Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" : Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. "now" 1) at this time, the present, now http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G3568&t=kjv kosmos: http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...8&verse=36&version=KJV#36 Outline of Biblical Usage 1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government 2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3 3) the world, the universe 4) the circle of the earth, the earth 5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family 6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ 7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ 8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc) b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19 http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G2889&t=kjv Jesus made this statement before the crucifixion, of course. The Jews said to crucify Him, they had no king but Caesar. He is the King of Israel, but obviously, His kingdom was not with them, and in fact He told them the kingom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof. He had come to put down the OLD ORDER OF THINGS, the OLD GOVERNMENT, the OLD PRIESTHOOD, the OLD HEAVEN AND EARTH [which to the Jews, meant the city and the temple]....I CREATE ALL THINGS NEW....A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH...A NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD....etc. We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection: Psa 115:16 The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men. Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/45/18.html ===============
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Believe in a rapture? Me? Not hardly. I dont believe in "eternal hell" either, because it is just not there. But to show that to be the case is to make many enemies of people that claim to be Christians. This can really get convoluted here. It takes away from the point you were making in your OP, and you make an excellent point, imo. "We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection: " You're right, it fits. I dont see that as "liberation theology" either. Liberation theology is a perversion of that. I never distilled it down to that before. It fits with the parables too. The 2nd advent is when He comes back to destroy Satans' works. Surely that has to be real soon. We cannot keep going on like this. We just have to endure and overcome.
Believe in a rapture? Me? Not hardly. I dont believe in "eternal hell" either, because it is just not there. I've been reading a bit about that, and don't pretend to understand it yet. But to show that to be the case is to make many enemies of people that claim to be Christians..... The 2nd advent is when He comes back to destroy Satans' works. Surely that has to be real soon. We cannot keep going on like this. We just have to endure and overcome. He is the potter and we are the clay...if universal salvation is His plan, who am I to argue? However, spending some time at judicial-inc last night following links on the satanic, sadistic sexual abuse, torture, and snuffing of children makes me wonder why that much evil is necessary for God to get His point across, and how there can be salvation for people that far removed from compassion and human decency. But as I said, if that is the plan, who am I to argue? I hope He is going to destroy the works of the devil soon, but I see how long that particular evil has been going on, and I kept asking Him last night, WHY God? How could you let this go on so long? and I thought the same as you, that it had to end soon, but I have to admit I'm worried. That's another reason for my post. I guess I'm hoping against hope enough apostate Christians, and those who are written in the Book of Life but are sitting on the fence, will wake up and take the kingdom back, and tell that other "mountain" to sink into the sea, so that children don't have to be abused like that, and that children can go to bed at night not hungry, or worried that a mortar is going to blow the whole family to smithereens by morning.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Christians put a lot of crosses up, but no, by some sort of miracle it is supposedly not a death cult. Not an honest one, anyway. Maybe someone will come up with another bogus miraculous non-death-cult religion, perhaps one that uses a gallows as a symbol.
Christians who claim most christian churches are irreversably corrupt are common here, and they're right. It's nothing new of course. Realizing this, the obvious question that arises is why would anyone in their right mind, at any time in the future or past, initiate physical force against banking practices being carried out in any alleged house of religious worship, especially one they didn't build or operate. How about a bipolar cartoon visual. See, the two fish, they swim criss-cross directions. It's totally not a normal piece of school. Bipolar confusion or in- group misdirection, what's the name of the game. The name is the cross. I recall my first day on the crowded playground at Our Lady Queen of Martyrs, it was third grade. One child went in front of me and distracted me while the other kneeled down and went to all four behind me. Then came the push nobody saw. Criss and Cross could've been their names for all I know, because they didn't stick around to explain. It was a miracle. Immaculate. People have been screwing me with miracles like that my entire life. I gave up on the catholic shit before 20, it didn't take a pedophile priest. Good fucking riddance.
The latest revelations about Hagee were too much for McCain. McCain Denounces Hagee.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
1Cr 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1Cr 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. He didn't tell us to make graven images of crosses, though. I don't know where it came from. Maybe Constantine ???? http://www.crosscrucifix.com/storyhome.htm I think Constantine may have been a fraud, although I confess I don't know that much about him. You like to jump on the Christian church, but a lot of what you condemn is not Christianity, but evil done in its name, often by enemies who have infiltrated the church, wolves in sheep's clothing the Bible calls them. For example: ""Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history -- and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these houses. Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes.The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice, November 25, 1953)" For more insight, you could read the B'nai B'rith speech, in red at the bottom of the page at the "Luther" link in my tagline: You could also see MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? at watch.pair.com ==================
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Animosity against meaningless collectives, arguably pissed about the official fate of some clever bipolar post-rage cartoon character. Look - I have a sliver of wood from somewhere. It's the cross. Here's a story for you - A fake Jew from a long line of fake Jews one day decides he's going to pretend to be something besides a fake Jew. You finish it. Decide if he's reformed or orthodox for me.
Realizing this, the obvious question that arises is why would anyone in their right mind, at any time in the future or past, initiate physical force against banking practices being carried out in any alleged house of religious worship, especially one they didn't build or operate. Are you referring to this? Mat 21:12 ¶ And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves. www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat021.html#13 [and it was His house...Jesus is the God of the Old Testament....and He entered by way of the door that was reserved for the Messiah...never hear anything about that, though]. I think it speaks for itself. If not, if you have some time, read this: 4um: History's Forgotten Braveheart, Jesus of Nazareth ...... Mark Glenn is also the author of “Not My Words, But Theirs. ... www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60942
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
This money aversion, it's very buddhist too. Lord knows why the elite seem to put up with it. Oh that's right, they supposedly fight it, don't they. Any non-christian would say christianity is favored in the media in many ways, while many christians would say the opposite. It's the cross. It's zero-sum with all the abrahamic faiths, too, through some don't admit it. This religious tripartate conflicting form, it's part of the design, albeit highly non-authentic despite centuries of hard work trying to make it appear otherwise, it manifests itself as if it has been an unmistakably human product from day one. No accident.
I recall my first day on the crowded playground at Our Lady Queen of Martyrs, it was third grade. One child went in front of me and distracted me while the other kneeled down and went to all four behind me. Then came the push nobody saw. Criss and Cross could've been their names for all I know, because they didn't stick around to explain. It was a miracle. Immaculate. People have been screwing me with miracles like that my entire life. I gave up on the catholic shit before 20, it didn't take a pedophile priest. Good fucking riddance. Is that the real issue? Kids can be cruel. They don't have to be Catholic. They usually get it from home. My dad's whole side of the family is Catholic. I can see some of my cousins pulling stuff like that when they were kids, but most of the others wouldn't dream of it. This is a case of you killing the message instead of the messenger, which is just where certain people want you: "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You just don't seem to ever get over the power of abrahamic teamwork and insular fear or rage, worshipping it instead. I despise it. I expect a pass. I demand a pass. Deal with it.
You don't understand - it was in the middle of a crowded playground during school hours, at recess, in the middle of recess, and nobody saw it. It was a miracle like all other abrahamic (christian in this case) miracles.
Ecc 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith. Exercised A primitive root (possibly rather identical with H6030 through the idea of looking down or browbeating); to depress literally or figuratively, transitively or intransitively (in various applications). (sing is by mistake for H6030.): - abase self, afflict (-ion, self), answer [by mistake for H6030], chasten self, deal hardly with, defile, exercise, force, gentleness, humble (self), hurt, ravish, sing [by mistake for H6030], speak [by mistake for H6030], submit self, weaken, X in any wise. That is why people suffer. That is why I suffer, you suffer, everyone else suffers. But it varies by degree, is temporary, and it serves a purpose. Does that mean I like it when kids get hurt and killed? Not hardly. I hate it. I hate it with a passion. I want to put those accountable on my front sight post properly centered with the rear peep sight, and squeeze the trigger. This is school. This is where we get to know good and evil. God created evil. If we are going to be like Him, we have to know evil too. Then evil will be destroyed. Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Amos 3 6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. I wouldnt worry about the kingdom. Where does scripture say that you are responsible for it? You are putting a lot of weight on your shoulders.
Not posting this to start an argument because I don't argue about religion. But I saw your comment about the Rapture and wanted to show you what I think is an interesting article about it. Of course you are free to accept or reject it but I believe it. Isn't it true that the word "rapture" is not found in the Bible? I've always been totally amazed at how some folks write me and try use the fact that the word “rapture” does not appear in the Bible as an argument against its validity. The issue should be whether or not the concept of the rapture appears in the Bible. With 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 giving us such a clear description of the rapture, you would have to conclude some people are just playing games with the Word of God. I could change the name of my site to “Catching-Up Ready” to satisfy these folks, but I hardly think that would improve things. Their logic runs very thin because a huge number of words don't appear in the Bible, including the word “Bible.” Because God's Word was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, one could truthfully say that no English words are found in the Bible. Let's take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 in the original Greek: 4:16 oti autos o kurios en keleusmati en fwnh arcaggelou kai en salpiggi qeou katabhsetai ap ouranou kai oi nekroi en cristw anasthsontai prwton 4:17 epeita hmeis oi zwntes oi perileipomenoi ama sun autois arpaghsomeqa en nefelais eis apanthsin tou kuriou eis aera kai outws pantote sun kuriw esomeqa 4:18 wste parakaleite allhlous en tois logois toutois I don't see the dead in Christ rising, Jesus descending from Heaven, or us meeting Him in the air. They're right; the word “rapture” is nowhere to be found. All I see is gobbledygook. For the record, the word “rapture” comes from the Latin word rapturo, which is a translation of the Greek verb "caught up" that’s found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You can call it the “pre-trib rapture,” the “pre-trib rapturo,” or the “pre-trib caught up” - it's all the same thing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. In a way, you make a point, somewhat, and unintentionally I am sure. Wearing a cross is the same as wearing a jeweled mini-gallows, and a cross hung in a church is like having an electric chair on the stage, and the catholics would actually have a depiction of Christ sitting in that electric chair. People keep crucifying Him. What is done is done.
I'm not following this election much...I'm not voting. I did some research on Hagee a while back...I came to the conclusion he wants to get the Jews back to Palestine to fulfill the PTB's Armageddon plot. BTW, from the article: "...Hagee is one of the country's best-known evangelical Christian Zionists; he founded a pro-Israel alliance of Christian groups and has donated tens of millions from his Texas-based ministry to support humanitarian causes in Israel. He has said he is driven by the belief that the creation of the state of Israel, and the return of Jews to Palestine, are God's will. "A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter," Hagee says in the sermon. "And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."...." I don't see that being the meaning of that passage at all. Before that passage is this: Jer 16:14 ¶ Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. I think this refers to God bringing the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel [Exekiel 34] into their own land [Ezekiel 34:11-13]. The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel is the church [Jesus : I am not sent but to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel. To the Pharisees: you are not my sheep.]. He said this while the Israelites were in Israel, so He obviously was talking about the prophetic Israel (the church) and their new promised land, which I have stated more than once (understatement) is America. What land did He give to their fathers? the whole world: Deu 11:24 Every place whereon the soles of your feet shall tread shall be yours: from the wilderness and Lebanon, from the river, the river Euphrates, even unto the uttermost sea shall your coast be. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu011.html#24 But He said he would return them to the land. "...a land where your fathers have dwelt..." : Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever. [Ezekiel 37 talks about the restored Israel joined in the hand of Christ, resurrected in their new land www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze037.html#21 ..... Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth....there's those wheat and tares again.] Well, the Israelites were in America a long time ago before Columbus: The Saga of Ancient Hebrew Explorers -- Who Really Discovered America? ...... Israelites were here before us! They left signs of their presence everywhere -- ... http://www.hope-of-israel.org/hebinusa.htm I don't know, but I suspect it MAY have happened somewhere around here: after Rachel died.....Jacob, probably heartbroken, took a trip to take his mind off it [just surmising here, of course]. Gen 35:21 ¶ And Israel [Jacob] journeyed, and spread his tent beyond the tower of Edar. Gen 35:22 And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard [it]. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen035.html#21 "Edar": Outline of Biblical Usage Migdal-eder = "tower of the flock" 1) a shepherd's watchtower near Bethlehem Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 2 AV — Edar 1, syn reading "tower of the flock" 1 Gesenius's Lexicon (Help) http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la....cfm?Strongs=H04029&t=kjv Correlating Passages Mic 4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gen/35/21.html I don't have any proof that's how it happened, but for now, that's my story and I'm sticking to it:). At any rate, for Hagee to say that passage in Jeremiah being about the Jews going back to Palestine is hogwash. God told them THIS IS NOT YOUR REST: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic002.html#10 Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. ===========================
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You addressed me. I responded. Deal with it.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Th/1Th004.html#17 I'm not an expert on the infamous passage, but I think preteristarchive, if I remember correctly, may have addressed it well. I think it can mean a couple of different things, but in my opinion, it does not refer to the whole church being taken out of here, because that is only one mysterious verse, which conflicts with everything else in the Bible. Is it possible it was referring specifically to the disciples? Look at thse verses: Jhn 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. Jhn 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not. Jhn 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me. Jhn 21:20 ¶ Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Jhn 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what [shall] this man [do]? Jhn 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he *** tarry ["remain"] till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me. Jhn 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? Jhn 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn021.html#20 Okay, so it sounds like one disciple was possibly going to be alive until the coming of the Lord to carry out His vengeance against Jerusalem: Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. There is another possibility. If you look at verse 14, you see the Lord is bringing the Saints with Him. Does this refer to the martyred saints coming with Jesus to meet the disciple who remained? The martyrs for Christ are alive with Christ and reign with Him in heaven for "a thousand years". Is that what this refers to? Another possibility. The dead go to MEET Him in the air, but does that mean they STAY in the air? I looked up "air" once, and if I remember correctly, it was defined as the very near atmosphere, not outer-space. Perhaps they MEET in the air, from whence they are GATHERED into THEIR OWN LAND? Remember that the New Jerusalem is the Bride and it "comes down from heaven" Rev. 21. This is repeated here: Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 I highly recommend reading this whole chapter. It's talking about America. For a good example see these verses: Isa 62:7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth. Isa 62:8 The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn [to be] meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured: Isa 62:9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness. We all know the Banksters have deliberately ruined this country, bringing our industry down, but do we know how long they have been at it? Skim this: http://greatreddragon.com/chap6.htm . This book was written in 1889, but it started even before that. However, we have the promise it will end. At any rate, I still do not see 1Th 4:17 referring to the removal of the whole church. I'm going to give you a website that explains the New Jerusalem. It is quick reading. The main problem with it is that it errs greatly in saying that the Israel of God is all white. The Israel of God includes all races: John 3:16, Galatians 3:16-29, Rev. 5:9-10. With that caveat, please read, starting here, and then hitting "Back" at the bottom of the page to get to the index: NEW JERUSALEM, THE BRIDE "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I know of no flaws in the King James version.
Is he still a servant to this day? That is a rhetorical question. But you answered my question, or rather 1/2 of it... There is no perfect translation. There cannot be. But lets say that the 1611 AV is perfect. WHat was perfect before that translation? Or are the people born and dead before that version SOL? Or did it take God 1611 years or so to get the job done right? And that does not include all of the revisions done since 1611. As I said earlier I don't argue about religion and if you don't believe in the Rapture of course that is between you and God. But I think Corinthians--1 Corinthians 15, verses 51-58 is about the rapture. But again, I am not arguing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I'm sick of internet Bible pushers. They're all insane. What you'll be dealing with is me telling you what's wrong with the crap on a regular basis if you keep bringing it up.
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#7. To: Old Friend (#3)
#8. To: PSUSA (#7)
You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
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#10. To: nobody (#9)
#11. To: Old Friend (#6)
Why have governments througout history tried to destroy the Bible.
#12. To: Old Friend (#10)
Note that I called you ignorant not stupid.
#13. To: nobody (#11)
Same reason zionists created the holocaust.
#14. To: nobody (#12)
#15. To: Old Friend (#13)
#16. To: Old Friend (#14)
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#18. To: Old Friend (#10)
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no it isn't magic
#19. To: PSUSA (#17)
Look it up for yourself. It's not hard. It's just rather painful to acknowledge that the KJV Only idolators have lied to you for all these years.
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#23. To: Old Friend (#21)
So I believe that God would preserve his word perfectly. I think he is powerful enough to do that. To not do that would be cruel and leave us with errors and doubt.
#24. To: PSUSA (#2)
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this "world".
#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)
Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" :
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#30. To: nobody (#27)
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unto the Jews a stumblingblock
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#36. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#34)
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Kids can be cruel.
#37. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26)
I'm hoping against hope enough apostate Christians, and those who are written in the Book of Life but are sitting on the fence, will wake up and take the kingdom back, and tell that other "mountain" to sink into the sea, so that children don't have to be abused like that, and that children can go to bed at night not hungry, or worried that a mortar is going to blow the whole family to smithereens by morning.
#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)
Lord Acton
#39. To: nobody (#27)
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Maybe someone will come up with another bogus miraculous non- death-cult religion, perhaps one that uses a gallows as a symbol.
#40. To: aristeides (#29)
The latest revelations about Hagee were too much for McCain. McCain Denounces Hagee.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the kings' horses and all the kings' men
Can not put Humpty together again. - Psalm 2.
#41. To: nobody (#35)
You just don't seem to ever get over the power of abrahamic teamwork and insular fear or rage, worshipping it instead. I despise it. I expect a pass. I demand a pass. Deal with it.
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#44. To: Old Friend (#43)
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Exodus 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.
#45. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#40)
Lord Acton
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