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Title: Concerning A False Prophet [Hagee's Rapture Cult Must Read]
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URL Source: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jew ... #Book_VI,_Chapter_V,_Section_2
Published: May 22, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-22 11:30:10 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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".....Book VI, Chapter V, Section 2 (Entire)

Concerning A False Prophet

2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward (1). They also burnt down the treasury-chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods, there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers, [to contain such furniture.] The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children and a great mixed multitude of the people fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined anything about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set the cloister of fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of these escape with his life.

A false prophet* (2) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get up upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now, there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose upon the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now, a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such deliverance (3).

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

PRETERIST PERSPECTIVES

1. Isaiah 1:7; 26:11; 33:12; 66:15; Jeremiah 5:14; 7:20; Matthew 3:11-12; 13:40, etc.

Matthew 24:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many......."

EXCERPT:

VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR

TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM AN THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW

POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological

INVESTIGATING CORRELATIONS BETWEEN JOSEPHUS' ACCOUNT AND THE FIRST CENTURY FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY

"And all this prophecy of what would result from their insolence against the Christ has been clearly proved to have taken place after their plot against our Saviour. For it was not before it, but afterwards from that day to this that God turned their feasts into mourning, despoiled them of their famous mother-city, and destroyed the holy Temple therein when Titus and Vespasian were Emperors of Rome, so that they could no longer go up to keep their feasts and sacred meetings. I need not say that a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord has overtaken them all, in return for their rejection of the Word of God; since with one voice they refused Him, so He refuses them." (AD 310s - Eusebius, Demonstratio Evangelica, X) Jesus Predicting Fall of Temple in Word

"Behold, Your House is Left to you Desolate"
Luke 13:35........"

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0) (Edited)

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

[scratch "Jews", insert Christian Zionists]

Jhn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/17/15.html

Rev 2:11 — He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/2/11.html

Mat 13:36 ¶ Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear......

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#41

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   11:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#1)

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

That is a mistranslation.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon". G165 ±¹É½ aion ahee-ohn' From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

Greek for "world" is kosmos. G2889 º¿ü¿Â kosmos kos'-mos Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

The mistranslation changes the meaning entirely.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:23:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: PSUSA (#2)

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this "world".

[world = age...and so they were, the subject of the preteristarchive Jewish Wars link]

Well, as all scripture is given for an example, one could go to Ezekiel 38-39, Rev. 20:7-10, and www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/14/12.html , and argue that Mat. 13:40 is precedent for the future.

I didn't expect hardly anyone to read this post let alone reply, and I went away to do some other things.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon"...

Greek for "world" is kosmos.

I know without looking that the word "world" can mean the things you say, and I was remiss in not looking up the way it was used here before posting, and I should have, but was trying to make a point, and make it as simple as possible, because my posts get too long and I think nobody reads them. I think everybody has me on bozo. I can't win for losing. Anyway, I am simply hoping to wake up the apsotates in the church and prevent a global nuclear war.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Here the word "world" is translated from "kosmos", and includes not only the government, ORDER OF THINGS, but also the earth itself:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...3&verse=38&version=KJV#38

Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" :

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

"now"

1) at this time, the present, now http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G3568&t=kjv

kosmos:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...8&verse=36&version=KJV#36

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G2889&t=kjv

Jesus made this statement before the crucifixion, of course. The Jews said to crucify Him, they had no king but Caesar. He is the King of Israel, but obviously, His kingdom was not with them, and in fact He told them the kingom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof. He had come to put down the OLD ORDER OF THINGS, the OLD GOVERNMENT, the OLD PRIESTHOOD, the OLD HEAVEN AND EARTH [which to the Jews, meant the city and the temple]....I CREATE ALL THINGS NEW....A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH...A NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD....etc.

We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection:

Psa 115:16 The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/45/18.html

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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   14:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" :

Believe in a rapture? Me? Not hardly. I dont believe in "eternal hell" either, because it is just not there. But to show that to be the case is to make many enemies of people that claim to be Christians.

This can really get convoluted here. It takes away from the point you were making in your OP, and you make an excellent point, imo.

"We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection: "

You're right, it fits. I dont see that as "liberation theology" either. Liberation theology is a perversion of that. I never distilled it down to that before. It fits with the parables too.

The 2nd advent is when He comes back to destroy Satans' works. Surely that has to be real soon. We cannot keep going on like this. We just have to endure and overcome.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   15:09:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Believe in a rapture? Me? Not hardly. I dont believe in "eternal hell" either, because it is just not there.

I've been reading a bit about that, and don't pretend to understand it yet.

But to show that to be the case is to make many enemies of people that claim to be Christians.....

The 2nd advent is when He comes back to destroy Satans' works. Surely that has to be real soon. We cannot keep going on like this. We just have to endure and overcome.

He is the potter and we are the clay...if universal salvation is His plan, who am I to argue? However, spending some time at judicial-inc last night following links on the satanic, sadistic sexual abuse, torture, and snuffing of children makes me wonder why that much evil is necessary for God to get His point across, and how there can be salvation for people that far removed from compassion and human decency. But as I said, if that is the plan, who am I to argue? I hope He is going to destroy the works of the devil soon, but I see how long that particular evil has been going on, and I kept asking Him last night, WHY God? How could you let this go on so long? and I thought the same as you, that it had to end soon, but I have to admit I'm worried. That's another reason for my post. I guess I'm hoping against hope enough apostate Christians, and those who are written in the Book of Life but are sitting on the fence, will wake up and take the kingdom back, and tell that other "mountain" to sink into the sea, so that children don't have to be abused like that, and that children can go to bed at night not hungry, or worried that a mortar is going to blow the whole family to smithereens by morning.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   16:42:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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I'm hoping against hope enough apostate Christians, and those who are written in the Book of Life but are sitting on the fence, will wake up and take the kingdom back, and tell that other "mountain" to sink into the sea, so that children don't have to be abused like that, and that children can go to bed at night not hungry, or worried that a mortar is going to blow the whole family to smithereens by morning.

Ecc 1:13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

Exercised A primitive root (possibly rather identical with H6030 through the idea of looking down or browbeating); to depress literally or figuratively, transitively or intransitively (in various applications). (sing is by mistake for H6030.): - abase self, afflict (-ion, self), answer [by mistake for H6030], chasten self, deal hardly with, defile, exercise, force, gentleness, humble (self), hurt, ravish, sing [by mistake for H6030], speak [by mistake for H6030], submit self, weaken, X in any wise.

That is why people suffer. That is why I suffer, you suffer, everyone else suffers. But it varies by degree, is temporary, and it serves a purpose. Does that mean I like it when kids get hurt and killed? Not hardly. I hate it. I hate it with a passion. I want to put those accountable on my front sight post properly centered with the rear peep sight, and squeeze the trigger.

This is school. This is where we get to know good and evil. God created evil. If we are going to be like Him, we have to know evil too. Then evil will be destroyed.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3 6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

I wouldnt worry about the kingdom. Where does scripture say that you are responsible for it? You are putting a lot of weight on your shoulders.

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