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Title: Concerning A False Prophet [Hagee's Rapture Cult Must Read]
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URL Source: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jew ... #Book_VI,_Chapter_V,_Section_2
Published: May 22, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-05-22 11:30:10 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
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".....Book VI, Chapter V, Section 2 (Entire)

Concerning A False Prophet

2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward (1). They also burnt down the treasury-chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods, there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers, [to contain such furniture.] The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children and a great mixed multitude of the people fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined anything about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set the cloister of fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of these escape with his life.

A false prophet* (2) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get up upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now, there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose upon the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now, a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such deliverance (3).

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

PRETERIST PERSPECTIVES

1. Isaiah 1:7; 26:11; 33:12; 66:15; Jeremiah 5:14; 7:20; Matthew 3:11-12; 13:40, etc.

Matthew 24:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many......."

EXCERPT:

VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR

TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM AN THEOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW

POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological

INVESTIGATING CORRELATIONS BETWEEN JOSEPHUS' ACCOUNT AND THE FIRST CENTURY FULFILLMENT OF BIBLE PROPHECY

"And all this prophecy of what would result from their insolence against the Christ has been clearly proved to have taken place after their plot against our Saviour. For it was not before it, but afterwards from that day to this that God turned their feasts into mourning, despoiled them of their famous mother-city, and destroyed the holy Temple therein when Titus and Vespasian were Emperors of Rome, so that they could no longer go up to keep their feasts and sacred meetings. I need not say that a famine of hearing the Word of the Lord has overtaken them all, in return for their rejection of the Word of God; since with one voice they refused Him, so He refuses them." (AD 310s - Eusebius, Demonstratio Evangelica, X) Jesus Predicting Fall of Temple in Word

"Behold, Your House is Left to you Desolate"
Luke 13:35........"

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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0) (Edited)

Whiston's Footnotes

1 Reland here justly takes notice that these Jews who had despised the true Prophet, were deservedly abused and deluded by the false ones.

[scratch "Jews", insert Christian Zionists]

Jhn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/17/15.html

Rev 2:11 — He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/2/11.html

Mat 13:36 ¶ Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear......

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#41

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   11:33:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

That is a mistranslation.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon". G165 ±¹É½ aion ahee-ohn' From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

Greek for "world" is kosmos. G2889 º¿ü¿Â kosmos kos'-mos Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

The mistranslation changes the meaning entirely.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-05-22   12:23:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: PSUSA (#2)

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this "world".

[world = age...and so they were, the subject of the preteristarchive Jewish Wars link]

Well, as all scripture is given for an example, one could go to Ezekiel 38-39, Rev. 20:7-10, and www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Zec/14/12.html , and argue that Mat. 13:40 is precedent for the future.

I didn't expect hardly anyone to read this post let alone reply, and I went away to do some other things.

The word "world" should be "age" or "eon"...

Greek for "world" is kosmos.

I know without looking that the word "world" can mean the things you say, and I was remiss in not looking up the way it was used here before posting, and I should have, but was trying to make a point, and make it as simple as possible, because my posts get too long and I think nobody reads them. I think everybody has me on bozo. I can't win for losing. Anyway, I am simply hoping to wake up the apsotates in the church and prevent a global nuclear war.

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Here the word "world" is translated from "kosmos", and includes not only the government, ORDER OF THINGS, but also the earth itself:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...3&verse=38&version=KJV#38

Please let me know exactly what is your point here, and I will know better how to respond. Are you saying that you believe in the rapture? The rapture people can only base that false teaching on the incomplete statement they always use when they say that Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world." He didn't leave it at that though. It is written that He next said, My kingdom is not NOW of this world. The word "world" used there was the Greek "kosmos" :

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

"now"

1) at this time, the present, now http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G3568&t=kjv

kosmos:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...8&verse=36&version=KJV#36

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/la...n.cfm?Strongs=G2889&t=kjv

Jesus made this statement before the crucifixion, of course. The Jews said to crucify Him, they had no king but Caesar. He is the King of Israel, but obviously, His kingdom was not with them, and in fact He told them the kingom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof. He had come to put down the OLD ORDER OF THINGS, the OLD GOVERNMENT, the OLD PRIESTHOOD, the OLD HEAVEN AND EARTH [which to the Jews, meant the city and the temple]....I CREATE ALL THINGS NEW....A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH...A NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD....etc.

We have been living in His kingdom for the last almost 2,000 years. The whole world is His and has been His. While they have been trying to rebuild the city and the temple He destroyed, He's been building a new "temple" and a new "city". I guess that is my point. People are being taught not to contend for the faith and the kingdom, but to "fly away" to someplace in the sky, when God's plan is to create heaven on earth...and then the resurrection:

Psa 115:16 The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/45/18.html

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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-05-22   14:34:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

Not posting this to start an argument because I don't argue about religion. But I saw your comment about the Rapture and wanted to show you what I think is an interesting article about it. Of course you are free to accept or reject it but I believe it.

Isn't it true that the word "rapture" is not found in the Bible?

I've always been totally amazed at how some folks write me and try use the fact that the word “rapture” does not appear in the Bible as an argument against its validity. The issue should be whether or not the concept of the rapture appears in the Bible.

With 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 giving us such a clear description of the rapture, you would have to conclude some people are just playing games with the Word of God. I could change the name of my site to “Catching-Up Ready” to satisfy these folks, but I hardly think that would improve things.

Their logic runs very thin because a huge number of words don't appear in the Bible, including the word “Bible.” Because God's Word was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, one could truthfully say that no English words are found in the Bible. Let's take a look at 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 in the original Greek:

4:16 oti autos o kurios en keleusmati en fwnh arcaggelou kai en salpiggi qeou katabhsetai ap ouranou kai oi nekroi en cristw anasthsontai prwton 4:17 epeita hmeis oi zwntes oi perileipomenoi ama sun autois arpaghsomeqa en nefelais eis apanthsin tou kuriou eis aera kai outws pantote sun kuriw esomeqa 4:18 wste parakaleite allhlous en tois logois toutois

I don't see the dead in Christ rising, Jesus descending from Heaven, or us meeting Him in the air. They're right; the word “rapture” is nowhere to be found. All I see is gobbledygook.

For the record, the word “rapture” comes from the Latin word rapturo, which is a translation of the Greek verb "caught up" that’s found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. You can call it the “pre-trib rapture,” the “pre-trib rapturo,” or the “pre-trib caught up” - it's all the same thing.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-05-22   18:17:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: James Deffenbach (#38)

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Th/1Th004.html#17

I'm not an expert on the infamous passage, but I think preteristarchive, if I remember correctly, may have addressed it well. I think it can mean a couple of different things, but in my opinion, it does not refer to the whole church being taken out of here, because that is only one mysterious verse, which conflicts with everything else in the Bible.

Is it possible it was referring specifically to the disciples? Look at thse verses:

Jhn 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Jhn 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry [thee] whither thou wouldest not.

Jhn 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

Jhn 21:20 ¶ Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Jhn 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what [shall] this man [do]?

Jhn 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he *** tarry ["remain"] till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.

Jhn 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee?

Jhn 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn021.html#20

Okay, so it sounds like one disciple was possibly going to be alive until the coming of the Lord to carry out His vengeance against Jerusalem:

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

There is another possibility.

If you look at verse 14, you see the Lord is bringing the Saints with Him. Does this refer to the martyred saints coming with Jesus to meet the disciple who remained? The martyrs for Christ are alive with Christ and reign with Him in heaven for "a thousand years". Is that what this refers to?

Another possibility.

The dead go to MEET Him in the air, but does that mean they STAY in the air? I looked up "air" once, and if I remember correctly, it was defined as the very near atmosphere, not outer-space. Perhaps they MEET in the air, from whence they are GATHERED into THEIR OWN LAND?

Remember that the New Jerusalem is the Bride and it "comes down from heaven" Rev. 21.

This is repeated here:

Isa 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4

I highly recommend reading this whole chapter. It's talking about America.

For a good example see these verses:

Isa 62:7 And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

Isa 62:8 The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn [to be] meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

Isa 62:9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

We all know the Banksters have deliberately ruined this country, bringing our industry down, but do we know how long they have been at it?

Skim this: http://greatreddragon.com/chap6.htm . This book was written in 1889, but it started even before that. However, we have the promise it will end.

At any rate, I still do not see 1Th 4:17 referring to the removal of the whole church.

I'm going to give you a website that explains the New Jerusalem. It is quick reading. The main problem with it is that it errs greatly in saying that the Israel of God is all white. The Israel of God includes all races: John 3:16, Galatians 3:16-29, Rev. 5:9-10.

With that caveat, please read, starting here, and then hitting "Back" at the bottom of the page to get to the index:

NEW JERUSALEM, THE BRIDE

http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/ojnj6.htm

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